The null and void myth

LittleGer

Active Member
What do they expect teams to do, if the season can't be finished then it's null and void.

The fact that we have just found out Ross McCrorie has been diagnosed with Covid, it's disgraceful that they are putting money ahead of players health.
 

Captain Gough

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To be quite frank, I'm now at a point where anyone still going on about this I think is just a total cùnt.

Sport of any form should be so far away from anyone's priorities at the moment.

Not meaning you in any way OP.
I remember thinking this between the Europa league game and old firm, particularly re the Clyde phone in. Thought it was extremely insensitive.
 

jaws73

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Official Ticketer
We all know the season won't finish.

So, the choices are:

1. Cancel the season and award league positions, trophies etc. and divi up what ever prize money there is on that basis.
OR
2. Void the season and divide the prize money equally between competing teams.

There is absolutely no difference between 1 and 2 in terms of sponsorship, TV money and corporate income (same amount of matches have been played in both scenarios). Only one of those preserves sporting integrity though and I'll bet No. 2 would also appeal to the majority of clubs as they would get the much needed benefit of a better share of the prize money than they would otherwise have.

If everyone accepts that the remaining games won't be played then there is only one way to go. This 'null and void' being presented as a financial disaster compared to giving teams titles without playing the games is an absolute nonsense - there is no difference that I can see. A myth is being created for the benefit of one club, that's the truth of it.
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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I'll be honest, we as a people 1st and football fans 2nd should be ignoring this nonsence that is being written in the media and discussed.

Its disrespectful to a great deal of people who couldn't give a flying feck, who wins what, gets relegated and how much footballs going to lose.

Rangers have said there piece and that should be the end of it for the forseable future. Some on here posting about not ever going back are allowing themselves to get dragged into this.

I know people like to go on about dignified silence letting us down, well right now that is the best way. Let them and their paid chimps keep banging on about titles and leave the rest of us to concentrate on important matters like staying in good health.
 

watch

Active Member
Season abandoned on x date due to an unforeseen global health emergency. Is that not the obvious solution?

Alternatively, we are going to compromise the whole of next season to avoid a breach of contract claim/situation when it’s obvious there will be a deal to be done with broadcasters and sponsors etc?
 

mark hateley

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Are they really going to try "breach of contract" when there's a global pandemic and the country is in lockdown?

It'll only increase my distaste for how the game has gone in England.
A company are trying this with us just now as we shut up shop prior to lockdown.

Its days like this arseholes will be arseholes.
 

AvochBlue

Active Member
Right now league titles are totally irrelevant.
And thats what we would be hearing is we had a lead right now.
 

Blue Steel

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To be quite frank, I'm now at a point where anyone still going on about this I think is just a total cùnt.

Sport of any form should be so far away from anyone's priorities at the moment.

Not meaning you in any way OP.
Agree , Totally uneasy about discussing this , at this time .
 

RabSpackman

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The whole thing is tedious....I don’t read English papers but I’m quite sure this argument Is NOT taking place re: Liverpool etc.
I don’t see or hear this argument down south, certainly not to the same levels - you might have very partisan local media making a noise in Liverpool, Leeds or Coventry... cities with teams that are in with a great shout of title wins that they haven’t seen in a very long time. Overall there isn’t even a discussion about it though.

Celtic are making an utter fool of themselves, and their media placemen are making a fool of themselves. At a time like this, sport is largely irrelevant.
 

Souness86

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Official Ticketer
Going by that logic, would Sky be willing to pay back the millions in advertising revenue they have already made from the hundreds of games they have shown this season?

Would they phukk!!
 

Alan1965

Member
By the same token, are Sky and BT going to go to the administration nightmare of paying subs back for games that didn't happen?
 

kennylanglea

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Some good points from the OP. But fed up with the papers still pushing this.

Are people still buying papers anyway ? (Yes I know you can see it online)
 

theredwhiteandblue

Active Member
If the season can’t be completed (and it won’t) then the season is over, no winners no losers, that’s it. No bull$hit league reconstruction to appease 2 or 3 clubs either.

what is so difficult about that?

no sponsor will be demanding compensation.

The ‘severe financial ramifications’ Lawell states will come in the form of them contesting all of the above and most likely a lawsuit which they won’t win.

The authorities need to grow a set.
 

biodoc

Active Member
It's not null and void, simply incomplete due to extenuating and incredible circumstances.

They'll still have won the League Cup, gone out of European competition twice and been leading the League at the point of stoppage.
I think you will find the correct terminology is stolen the league cup. But for “honest mistakes” they wouldn’t have been given the trophy.
 

Hideyorii

Active Member
I see again that a national newspaper is today saying that the season won't be null and void because TV companies, fans and sponsors will demand money back if the season is written off as if it never happened.
First of all, it has happened. Well most of it anyway. TV companies pay money to leagues all over the world to show football matches. And when it's all said and done, they will cough up for the matches that they've already shown on TV. They won't pay for the ones that never take place. That will be the case no matter what decisions are taken regarding leagues. Another point is that Sky, in particular, built their whole empire on televised football. There's no chance that they will burn bridges with leagues around Europe trying to reclaim money for games they have shown, it just won't happen. They will work with the leagues to come up with a solution. It will cost sky money. It will cost leagues money. But there will be a compromise. The same applies to the sponsors. What good would it do for one of these gambling companies to put a club out of business by reclaiming money for sponsorship? The reason they're in football is to appeal to supporters.
The season ticket thing is bollox as well. People will be entitled to a refund for the games that don't happen regardless of whether the league is null and void or standings declared final. You're not going to get money back for a game you were at, and to say that you could is ludicrous. And if the season somehow gets played to a finish behind closed doors, you're entitled to a refund anyway.
Fed up reading this pish on a daily basis. The season will never be like it never happened, it has happened.
Season 2019/20 unable to be completed due to global crisis. Positions declared final. No winners, no relegation. I don't see the problem.
You're reading it on a daily basis because the Scum agents keep that narrative on the boil and they won't fckng stop till everybody except us, says "give it to the cnts and shut them up".
 

tazzabear

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I see again that a national newspaper is today saying that the season won't be null and void because TV companies, fans and sponsors will demand money back if the season is written off as if it never happened.
First of all, it has happened. Well most of it anyway. TV companies pay money to leagues all over the world to show football matches. And when it's all said and done, they will cough up for the matches that they've already shown on TV. They won't pay for the ones that never take place. That will be the case no matter what decisions are taken regarding leagues. Another point is that Sky, in particular, built their whole empire on televised football. There's no chance that they will burn bridges with leagues around Europe trying to reclaim money for games they have shown, it just won't happen. They will work with the leagues to come up with a solution. It will cost sky money. It will cost leagues money. But there will be a compromise. The same applies to the sponsors. What good would it do for one of these gambling companies to put a club out of business by reclaiming money for sponsorship? The reason they're in football is to appeal to supporters.
The season ticket thing is bollox as well. People will be entitled to a refund for the games that don't happen regardless of whether the league is null and void or standings declared final. You're not going to get money back for a game you were at, and to say that you could is ludicrous. And if the season somehow gets played to a finish behind closed doors, you're entitled to a refund anyway.
Fed up reading this pish on a daily basis. The season will never be like it never happened, it has happened.
Season 2019/20 unable to be completed due to global crisis. Positions declared final. No winners, no relegation. I don't see the problem.
You’re correct, in my opinion.
I believe this rationale to be scaremongering by scum minded morons.
Lets take the line I’ve highlighted above.
So, Sky the rest say they’re due a refund?
Okay, I’ll concede that they may have a gripe for games not played but, those that have been played?
Laughable.
If true though, would it not be the case that those who’ve bought advertising time would also be due a refund?
I mean, if it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen.
A ridiculous argument.
The games that were played, were played.
Sky, BT etc got to broadcast them, they showed adverts in between and around them and were paid good money by advertisers whose products and services were given exposure.
Games not played, no problem negotiating a refund but, for games already shown, it matters not a jot what competition these were in, they still made plenty out of them.
 

Arkanoid

Well-Known Member
I fully agree but we need murmurs of the same from a high ranking TV boss, Association boss or football execs to dispel the myth rather than just an opinion from a fan
 

Lanarkshire

Active Member
TV companies claiming damages for breach of contract is unlikely as well. No-one will ever forgive companies who screw other people,
BT no longer showing SPL games from next season so they maybe more likely to dig heels in requesting a refund.
Same with Ladbrokes who are ceasing as main sponsor next season i think.

Regardless - the best bit will be Lennons torn face as he tries for his teams one in a row next season!
 
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