The Referee Strike

Badger

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Lifted the below from wiki. So essentially Celtic created a situation where refs are protected from criticism?

"Refereeing in Scotland came under intense media attention in 2010 after a controversial incident on 17 October, during an SPL game between Dundee United and Celtic, which Celtic won 2–1. When the score was level at 1–1, referee Dougie McDonald awarded a penalty kick to Celtic. He then quickly reversed his initial decision after consulting with assistant referee Steven Craven. Celtic officials heavily criticised the decision to not award a penalty after the game. After Craven resigned on 25 October, it emerged that he and McDonald had lied to his supervisor, Jim McBurney, and to Celtic manager Neil Lennon about the decision making process. McDonald had claimed that he had changed his mind after consulting with Craven, when in fact he had changed his mind himself before consulting Craven. This revelation prompted an investigation by the SFA, which resulted in McDonald receiving an official warning on 29 October, while also upholding the actual decision.

Both before and after the warning was given, however, there were calls for McDonald to resign. There was also disagreement over the actual version of events between Craven, McDonald, and SFA Head of Referee Development Hugh Dallas. While resisting calls for an independent inquiry into the McDonald incident, SFA chief executive Stewart Regan launched an inquiry to review how referees are disciplined, suggesting the current method of examination by a panel of mostly former referees was improper. According to The Telegraph recounting the McDonald incident on the eve of the strike, "the rules do not permit McDonald to be sacked", and having declined to resign as the newspaper alleged some at the SFA felt he should, he subsequently returned to the referees roster. On 28 November, the day after Scottish referees went on strike, McDonald retired.

Following the SPL Old Firm game of 24 October, Celtic twice wrote to the SFA to question the decisions made by referee William Collum, who also received death threats. Denying he was stoking up tension around refereeing decisions, Neil Lennon condemned the threats. He also claimed that the media reaction to his club's recent questioning of referees as having been blown out of proportion, and that their actions were not out of the ordinary compared to other clubs. On 3 November Celtic striker Gary Hooper claimed referees wanted to give decisions against his team.[18] Lennon then received a two match touchline ban after heavily criticising decisions by referee Craig Thomson and his team during a 2–0 away defeat to Hearts on 10 November. Lennon stated after the game "I'll seek clarification, but they'll probably have their story ready" and "Craig Thomson's supposed to be one of the best in the country. It doesn't say a lot for the rest if that's the case."

On 30 October, the SFA chief executive Stewart Regan, describing how his first month in the role had been dominated by the issue of refereeing, announced plans to launch a Respect campaign early in 2011. Regan commented that "This whole handling of referees by managers, players and clubs has got to stop". On the same day, Hearts released a statement calling for refereeing standards to go up significantly, post match statements from officials explaining decisions. The statement also suggested that lower standards could be a "cover for bias and match fixing".

On 16 November, Pete Wishart, a spokesman for the Scottish National Party on sport, stated that all referees in Scotland should be required to declare which team they support, claiming that while he did not doubt their fairness, such a declaration was in keeping with the general rise in the freedom of information culture.[23] Two days later, the Celtic chairman John Reid, addressing Celtic's annual general meeting, stated that referee McDonald's position was now completely untenable and called for his resignation. He also stated that Wishart's proposal should be considered as part of the bold and radical action the SFA needed to take to restore their integrity in the wake of the controversy. On 21 November the Sunday Mail published a story claiming that 80 percent of Category One officials had failed a 30-question written exam on the Laws of the Game, conducted at a Spanish winter training camp in February, and alleged Hugh Dallas had been "taken aback" by the results and had instituted remedial action."
 
That Wiki page is utter nonsense, mate. Before season 2009-10 even began, Celtc were openly threatening to " get in refs faces " which they then did when they dropped points, resulting in repeated toe to toe physical confrontations between Lemmon and refs on the pitch. The SFA should have hammered Celtc, but shat it, and refs were left with no option but to take unprecedented strike action. The SFA even lied to foreign refs as to why they were here in Scotland to officiate in games.
 
That Wiki page is utter nonsense, mate. Before season 2009-10 even began, Celtc were openly threatening to " get in refs faces " which they then did when they dropped points, resulting in repeated toe to toe physical confrontations between Lemmon and refs on the pitch. The SFA should have hammered Celtc, but shat it, and refs were left with no option but to take unprecedented strike action. The SFA even lied to foreign refs as to why they were here in Scotland to officiate in games.
Correct . Nice post.
 
I'll repeat from another thread. The ref telling an untruth glossed over the fact changing the decision was the correct call as it was never a penalty. Great referring in this instance but completely forgotten about
 
As for the notion that 'the lie was the thing' that meant McDonald had to go.

The then recently new SFA top kiddy, Regan, actually LIED to the foreign referees, drafted into prop up this yahoo driven outrage, as to why they were there in the first place.

When the filth are heavily involved and driving the show, lies, deceit and corruption will not be far from the fray.
 
And to think lennon was invited to a private meeting with reagan after the strike. Why did no other clubs demand to be present and hear what was said. Is it a coincidence since that meeting referees are terrified to be fair when on charge of their games and quite openly give advantages (cheat) to every team we play. I've always thought it was strange for the leader of scotshit football to have a secret meeting with the perpetrator of the strike and the rest of the clubs allowed it. Whatever was said,it was definitely to the benefit of celtic.
 
And to think lennon was invited to a private meeting with reagan after the strike. Why did no other clubs demand to be present and hear what was said. Is it a coincidence since that meeting referees are terrified to be fair when on charge of their games and quite openly give advantages (cheat) to every team we play. I've always thought it was strange for the leader of scotshit football to have a secret meeting with the perpetrator of the strike and the rest of the clubs allowed it. Whatever was said,it was definitely to the benefit of celtic.

Lemmon should have faced year long bans for his outrageous violent behaviour towards refs on the pitch at the end of games. Officials were clearly terrified of the intimidation they faced, and in the end just now give them what they want to avoid hassle, both on and off the pitch. It is gangsterism, nothing less.
 
Lemmon should have faced year long bans for his outrageous violent behaviour towards refs on the pitch at the end of games. Officials were clearly terrified of the intimidation they faced, and in the end just now give them what they want to avoid hassle, both on and off the pitch. It is gangsterism, nothing less.
Yes.An agreement of some sort was made at that secret meeting,probably with liewells blessing.
Him and his club are immune to disciplinary action from the sfa/spfl cartel. Remember he got away with all sorts at hibs as well.
 
Yes.An agreement of some sort was made at that secret meeting,probably with liewells blessing.
Him and his club are immune to disciplinary action from the sfa/spfl cartel. Remember he got away with all sorts at hibs as well.

They took down the refs, then went after both football authorities and now control all three. With no shame, they now brag of winning the Fair Play award almost every year in Scotland for the lowest yellow and red cards issued. They then wonder why they receive a hugely disproportionate amount of yellow and red cards in Europe.
 
Scottish football is run by fear because of these scumbags always to their benefit. It needs the clubs to be brave and take on their corruption but as we saw in the summer they are a bunch of shitebags.

I do wonder if there are any legal channels open to us as corruption so blatant should be challengable.
 
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Yes.An agreement of some sort was made at that secret meeting,probably with liewells blessing.
Him and his club are immune to disciplinary action from the sfa/spfl cartel. Remember he got away with all sorts at hibs as well.
Did Lennon not get some role supporting/liaising with referees just before he left Hibs when he was of course definitely not sacked?!
 
Personally I think the mentally challengeds are giving out brown envelopes in the biggest match fixing to be seen in the uk it’s the only explanation
 
Only in Scotland would a maniac who caused an unprecedented ref strike be given an advisory role in how games are officiated. It is gangsterism. Give us what we want or there will be trouble for refs, both on and off the pitch.

There should be an advisory role for someone from every club represented and their should also be a few independent advisory roles. The minutes of any such meetings should be published on a public forum in the interest of fairness and transparency.
 
Pretty sure that the moonhowlers have been at it and complaining about everything from their inception in the late 1800’s
 
They took down the refs, then went after both football authorities and now control all three. With no shame, they now brag of winning the Fair Play award almost every year in Scotland for the lowest yellow and red cards issued. They then wonder why they receive a hugely disproportionate amount of yellow and red cards in Europe.
That is true. Different referee rules in euro games. Can't rely on a dodgy penalty,a wrong offside for and against and the safety of no punishment for persistent fouling etc.
 
Lemmon should have faced year long bans for his outrageous violent behaviour towards refs on the pitch at the end of games. Officials were clearly terrified of the intimidation they faced, and in the end just now give them what they want to avoid hassle, both on and off the pitch. It is gangsterism, nothing less.
They have a rap sheet as long as your arm but you could count on one hand how many times they have actually been pulled up for it.
The evidence is there it’s just Robertson and Co, are cowards when it comes to calling this scummy club out for the outrageous things it gets away with.
 
As for the notion that 'the lie was the thing' that meant McDonald had to go.

The then recently new SFA top kiddy, Regan, actually LIED to the foreign referees, drafted into prop up this yahoo driven outrage, as to why they were there in the first place.

When the filth are heavily involved and driving the show, lies, deceit and corruption will not be far from the fray.

The SPFL will be forever compromised as refs are terrified to award a big game decision that costs that mob points or a trophy. Their career would soon be over, the media would ensure it. We can only imagine what would happen to a ref, both on and off the pitch, who awarded us a Cup Final victory after a Rangers winning goal with 3 Rangers players offside.
 
They got away with murder then but the fact we were winning at the time meant we paid little heed to it overall. I remember we were generally amused at their paranoia at the time which meant the whole thing largely went down without any great outrage.

It has clearly had ramifications since and yes, I concede, Celtic have had "better" decisions since.

I'm not one to get into the belief-set that referees are intrinsically against us since, no matter where they "hail" from. I genuinely believe the Rest of Scotland hatred against us post-2012 has influenced matters more - above all we are singled out for any decision that goes for us as "bias" and any against us, quietly and silently forgotten. This has been seen countless times and is rampant.

So putting agendas aside, I genuinely believe in the current environment, it's easier for a referee to deny us a 50/50 decision, knowing the vast majority of Scottish football will back them up.

The whole Jack/Morelos thing summed it up for me - all of Scottish football fans bar us screamed Jack was guilty. All of Scottish football fans bar us screamed the Morelos tackle was never a red.

As a ref, that's clearly going to colour your judgement as it makes the aftermath easier.
 
There should be an advisory role for someone from every club represented and their should also be a few independent advisory roles. The minutes of any such meetings should be published on a public forum in the interest of fairness and transparency.

If only. I agree though. The whole scenario at the moment is a sham.

Let's make decisions and keep it a secret why we came to the conclusion.

Twats.
 
They got away with murder then but the fact we were winning at the time meant we paid little heed to it overall. I remember we were generally amused at their paranoia at the time which meant the whole thing largely went down without any great outrage.

It has clearly had ramifications since and yes, I concede, Celtic have had "better" decisions since.

I'm not one to get into the belief-set that referees are intrinsically against us since, no matter where they "hail" from. I genuinely believe the Rest of Scotland hatred against us post-2012 has influenced matters more - above all we are singled out for any decision that goes for us as "bias" and any against us, quietly and silently forgotten. This has been seen countless times and is rampant.

So putting agendas aside, I genuinely believe in the current environment, it's easier for a referee to deny us a 50/50 decision, knowing the vast majority of Scottish football will back them up.

The whole Jack/Morelos thing summed it up for me - all of Scottish football fans bar us screamed Jack was guilty. All of Scottish football fans bar us screamed the Morelos tackle was never a red.

As a ref, that's clearly going to colour your judgement as it makes the aftermath easier.

That any rare favourable ref decision Rangers receive is commented on ad nauseum and forensically dissected by the media has socially conditioned the average football fan in Scotland to believe it happens on a weekly basis. That Celtc's new signing Duffy has been involved in 3 handball incidents in 3 consecutive League games, yet is ignored, sums it up for me.
 
The irony was that the foreign officials brought in made an incorrect call in their next match which meant that the scum dropped points (IIRC).
 
It was a premeditated campaign from Lawwell and co. to create an air of intimidation surrounding Celtic’s games where referees became insecure about awarding decisions against them and it’s remained that way ever since.
 
Lemmon should have faced year long bans for his outrageous violent behaviour towards refs on the pitch at the end of games. Officials were clearly terrified of the intimidation they faced, and in the end just now give them what they want to avoid hassle, both on and off the pitch. It is gangsterism, nothing less.
He’s got away with murder for years ( even as a player) the media protect him and love his victim status just as much
 
Did he forget he was a racist and a bigot when he awarded the penalty in the first place? Seems like a lot of hassle to award a penalty and recind it all to keep in line with anti-Celtic policy to ultimately give the correct decision.

The history of the campaign is there in black and white, we all saw it happening. No smoky rooms or secret handshakes to ensure Celtic win, just a clear message that any decision deemed as pro-Rangers or anti-Celtic has dire consequences. Allegations of racism, bigotry, windows smashed, career ruined the lot.

Then there's the great compliance officer con. Some of us on here collected the data, Clerr went strangely quiet after that.

It would seem like sour grapes and behaviour like those from the Knew Camp to suggest there is some kind of plot, but the campaign literally happened in front of our eyes. That simply cannot be denied.
 
Celtic. Refs. Nothing to see. Move on.
It was those chunts who caused the ref strike. Now the refs appear onside with the beasts. SG getting pulled is a farce. It's a deflection tactic purely to try and take his eye off the ball. WATP.
 
The orchestrations of the political thug Reid have borne fruit in what we have today - celtic pawns in the SFA and SPFL, and a sympathetic ear within the government.
 
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