Southernlion
Well-Known Member
I'm not comparing them. I'm comparing the idiots with their mealy-mouthed excuses. They fool no one with their justifications.
lolBecause we have a bunch of morons in our support
Another rousing song that is ruined by folk unable to keep the UVF out it.
As someone who served for 32 years in the Royal Air Force I’m with @Papasmurf on this one. I think folks are hiding behind the WW1 thing if I’m honest.
Always felt a bit left out when my branch of the Armed Forces was missed out.
The same way you come along to defend said songs? Like that you mean?Oh goody another post avout the song book .. it duznae belong at Ibrox
Yadda yadda yadda
Ub are to blame...
Only missing comments from the usual suspects but im pretty sure 1 or 2 will be along soon...
The UVF never took part in WW1. It was set up and organised as a para- military organisation. WW1 came around and like millions of young Britons the members of the UVF joined the British Army. Most went into regiments such as The Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers as part of the 36th ( Ulster ) Division.
The 36th Division was renouned for its bravery, not only on the first day of the Somme but for the remainder of this battle and until 1918.
But so were many Scottish Divisions, the 15th and 51st Divisions fought equally as well as the 36th and were decimated at battles such as Loos and Third Ypres. Both these divisions were around 85% protestant and would have contained many Rangers men.
Why dont we sing about these heroes as well.
A massive gripe and moan from me.
For the army and the navy and the uvf
WHY???
This weekend brought it to a head for me.
On the pitch we had the army, the navy and the RAF but we sang about the army, navy and uvf....why?
Annoys the hell out of me.
This, and if anyone thinks they're singing about Carson's Volunteers then they're deluded, when it was sung it in the 70's , 80's & 90's it was in support for the present day UVF.Think the UVF reference has a lot to do with fact the song starts with “God bless my home in dear old Ulster.”
I'll be honest I couldn't tell you one song that's associated to either the 15th or 51st Divisions.The UVF never took part in WW1. It was set up and organised as a para- military organisation. WW1 came around and like millions of young Britons the members of the UVF joined the British Army. Most went into regiments such as The Royal Irish Rifles and Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers as part of the 36th ( Ulster ) Division.
The 36th Division was renouned for its bravery, not only on the first day of the Somme but for the remainder of this battle and until 1918.
But so were many Scottish Divisions, the 15th and 51st Divisions fought equally as well as the 36th and were decimated at battles such as Loos and Third Ypres. Both these divisions were around 85% protestant and would have contained many Rangers men.
Why dont we sing about these heroes as well.
Nice to know you take interest in what I post.Awaiting comments from Installer and Slim Jim...
The RAF have their own personal 'German Bombers' song @Valley Bluenose.
I agree wholeheartedly there are loads of our own Scottish Regiments that dont gets this praise,I wonder why that is.A massive gripe and moan from me.
For the army and the navy and the uvf
WHY???
This weekend brought it to a head for me.
On the pitch we had the army, the navy and the RAF but we sang about the army, navy and uvf....why?
Annoys the hell out of me.
I'd take this a step further and suggest the majority that sing at Ibrox about, not only the UVF in this song but about fighitng the IRA, Bobby Sands, The Sash, Derry's walls, etc etc know very little of the history and the history of the songs.I maintain that, for the majority, the ‘old’ UVF line is simply a smokescreen to shoehorn the more recent events in Northern Ireland into the song.
Don't be daft.Anything constructive to add?
Finally, we agree on somethingIt’s fucking embarrassing, as embarrassing as the dinosaur cavalry who’ve arrived on cue to attack the OP and trot out their petty excuses.
The 36th Division, and the modern day UVF are completely different, ad I’m sure you’re aware.The uvf and in particular the 36th Ulster division ( part of the army ) fought in WW1 to defend our country . I for one will always honour them
If you don't mind I will in future be using the phrase, 'the dinosaur cavalry'. Simple but accurate.It’s fucking embarrassing, as embarrassing as the dinosaur cavalry who’ve arrived on cue to attack the OP and trot out their petty excuses.
Calling fellow fans morons is the way ahead.
It’s always been the uvf and has been since my first rangers game in 1972Because we have a bunch of morons in our support
Another rousing song that is ruined by folk unable to keep the UVF out it.
It's always been the RAF and has been since my first Rangers game in 1977.It’s always been the uvf and has been since my first rangers game in 1972
No the enemy may be differentThe 36th Division, and the modern day UVF are completely different, ad I’m sure you’re aware.
Spot on,you would swear it’s a new thing.its been the same lyrics for all my almost 40 years of going to see rangersThink the UVF reference has a lot to do with fact the song starts with “God bless my home in dear old Ulster.”
You do realise that the UVF are not part of the British Army and haven't been for quite sometime now.No the enemy may be different
Not once in all my years of following rangers have I heard raf sang instead of uvfIt's always been the RAF and has been since my first Rangers game in 1977.
Well they do say you only hear what you want to hear.Not once in all my years of following rangers have I heard raf sang instead of uvf
I'm with you on that, anyone saying different is talking pish.It’s always been the uvf and has been since my first rangers game in 1972
carsons UVF/36TH UlsterA massive gripe and moan from me.
For the army and the navy and the uvf
WHY???
This weekend brought it to a head for me.
On the pitch we had the army, the navy and the RAF but we sang about the army, navy and uvf....why?
Annoys the hell out of me.
As far as I am concerned it was sang in those decades because the Country was under threat by the Republicans and rightly so,things have moved on so should we.This, and if anyone thinks they're singing about Carson's Volunteers then they're deluded, when it was sung it in the 70's , 80's & 90's it was in support for the present day UVF.
Spot on,you would swear it’s a new thing.its been the same lyrics for all my almost 40 years of going to see rangers
100% correct,as we have moved further away from the troubles,now most of the uvf stuff is about the “people’s army”as the uvf of 1912 and the 36th have been more in focus as we have had a lot of significant centenaries in the last few yearsThis, and if anyone thinks they're singing about Carson's Volunteers then they're deluded, when it was sung it in the 70's , 80's & 90's it was in support for the present day UVF.
1st of july morn100% correct,as we have moved further away from the troubles,now most of the uvf stuff is about the “people’s army”as the uvf of 1912 and the 36th have been more in focus as we have had a lot of significant centenaries in the last few years
no .... our haters hate us regardless, we should be belting out all Carson's UVF anthems as hard as we canI do not question the historical accuracy but in the present climate and for the long term benefit of our football club I think any references about the UVF has to go.
Sing about frighting the IRA and Bobby Sands etc and probably couldn't point out Belfast on a map.We have as many plastic Irish as that lot.
I've always sung RAFA massive gripe and moan from me.
For the army and the navy and the uvf
WHY???
This weekend brought it to a head for me.
On the pitch we had the army, the navy and the RAF but we sang about the army, navy and uvf....why?
Annoys the hell out of me.
Always remembered that song starting with "As he lay on the battlefield dying" so it is most definitely about the UVF from WW1. Whether some sing it in reference to the current paramilitary UVF is open to interpretation. But here's the thing, the song is not sectarian and you can't get lifted for singing it so what's the problem. We have enough attacks from the other side trying to eradicate our culture and dumb us down. Why give them a helping hand. The club have always had a tie to Northern Ireland with Ulster Scots and the many fans that travel over from there. Are we just going to wipe all that history away as well now. Times have moved on but there's nothing wrong with remembering what has moulded the club in the past.
There's no pope or 19th Century Terrorist references so I don't see the problem. Too many people wanting to please the enemy for my liking.