UEFA coefficient

I think positions 6-11 is where Scotland should be. We need to secure 11th and try and push into the top 10, which is very doable.

Russian teams don't have the investment they once did, same with those from the Ukraine. Dutch and Belgian teams are either very good or very average, as they are both heavily reliant on academy players. Austria are similar to ourselves, in that they have had their ups and downs. Portuguese teams are probably a step ahead of the rest, but they are not what they once were that is for sure.

The main point here, is that in an ideal world, the positions 6-11 should be a free-for-all, sometimes you will be in 6th, sometimes you will be in 11th. It would be great to see any of the nations from 6-11 push into that top 5, but it is so heavily weighted towards those nations with the big TV markets, that is unlikely to every happen.
 
If we end up at least 12th in the table then Rangers and celtic will both be in the CL, does this mean a diddy team will then get directly into the EL groups?
 
Scottish Cup winners always get a spot

It goes the next highest place team after the Champions League places so 3rd place will get for 2020/21 if Scottish Cup winner are League Champions also
The cup winners/third place go into the Europa League playoff round next season. If they lose they go into the new Europa Conference group stages which means an extra few million for a team outside the Old Firm. I'm amazed the media haven't picked up on this yet.
 
The cup winners/third place go into the Europa League playoff round next season. If they lose they go into the new Europa Conference group stages which means an extra few million for a team outside the Old Firm. I'm amazed the media haven't picked up on this yet.
The media in this country are shocking, they know bugger all about how the co-efficient works and yet it’s simple to research and get the information. Some of the experts on the radio are a joke. If I displayed the same lack of knowledge in my job I’d last no time at all.
 
The cup winners/third place go into the Europa League playoff round next season. If they lose they go into the new Europa Conference group stages which means an extra few million for a team outside the Old Firm. I'm amazed the media haven't picked up on this yet.
They would start in the third qualifying round for 21-22 season the season after they would start in the playoff of the Europa either way a good chance for third scottish team to get into the groups which is what we need to happen if we want to stay around where we are in the rankings.
 
They would start in the third qualifying round for 21-22 season the season after they would start in the playoff of the Europa either way a good chance for third scottish team to get into the groups which is what we need to happen if we want to stay around where we are in the rankings.

As it pointed to me there is no Conference League title holders therefore the access list will change to balance the numbers so that should mean the 13th & 14th move up to the Play-off round if the case whoever get it will have 8 European games next season
 
Am I correct in thinking we could be as high as 8 next season once the leagues above us have season 16/17 drop off next year

obviously providing we score similar points to last season

That is the current starting position if right minus 2016/17 - Scotland are 8th in that table

Hope I have that right

Of course we still have 2020/21 to finish
 
The really do need to sell, this year's accounts will be well down with no sales and players in, they must have budgeted for flogging Eduoard but the sell on fee to PSG means they do have to try to get more than most will want to pay
 
Our club coefficient has risen from 94 to 78 for next season - and counting...

We still have 2 crap years to ditch.

5 years of 11 points per year would put us in the top 25 (!)

5 years of 5 would put us in top 50.


16/17 17/18 18/19 19/20 20/21 Pts NA

- 0.250 5.000 11.000 2.000 18.250 5.875
 

Up to 11th.

Still think it will be tough to finish there as the Ukrainian teams look like they an finish at least 3rd in their CL groups.


Over the next 2 years they have 2 seasons with big points that will drop out. Both Austria and Ukraine both have double the points Scotland have in 16/17 and 17/18 season. Those dropping out and if we continue to progress then will move ahead of them. We really need Aberdeen, Motherwell or whoever else qualifies to start gaining some points and progressing past the 3rd round qualifier.

Like last year Scotland were ranked 7th in Coefficient points for that season alone.

If form continues like the last 3 seasons, we have outperformed Austria and Ukraine each year, so if that continues or the next 2 seasons then we move to 10th. Then hope the dutch teams have a couple of terrible years and we could move to 9th.
 
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Our club coefficient has risen from 94 to 78 for next season - and counting...

We still have 2 crap years to ditch.

5 years of 11 points per year would put us in the top 25 (!)

5 years of 5 would put us in top 50.


16/17 17/18 18/19 19/20 20/21 Pts NA

- 0.250 5.000 11.000 2.000 18.250 5.875
Not sure where your figures are from.

Our co-efficient is 16.250 for this season and 20.250 for next season, which will hopefully rise further.

We are currently ranked 66th, but with the opportunity to pick up some more co-efficient points this season and other teams points dropping off at the end of this season, we look like being in the Top 50 for the start of next season.

Coefficients history​


2020-20214.000 *
2019-202011.000
2018-20195.000
2017-20180.250
2016-20170.000
2015-20160.000
 
Not sure where your figures are from.

Our co-efficient is 16.250 for this season and 20.250 for next season, which will hopefully rise further.

We are currently ranked 66th, but with the opportunity to pick up some more co-efficient points this season and other teams points dropping off at the end of this season, we look like being in the Top 50 for the start of next season.

Coefficients history​


2020-20214.000 *
2019-202011.000
2018-20195.000
2017-20180.250
2016-20170.000
2015-20160.000

What would that relate to in terms of pots? Would we have been second seeds this season with 20.25

If we qualify for last 32 is there a bare minimum amount we’ll end with?
 
Not sure where your figures are from.

Our co-efficient is 16.250 for this season and 20.250 for next season, which will hopefully rise further.

We are currently ranked 66th, but with the opportunity to pick up some more co-efficient points this season and other teams points dropping off at the end of this season, we look like being in the Top 50 for the start of next season.

Coefficients history​


2020-20214.000 *
2019-202011.000
2018-20195.000
2017-20180.250
2016-20170.000
2015-20160.000
For context, the lowest seeded side in the EL playoffs this year was Standard Liege at 20.500 - so picking up any kind of points over the next four games would give us a good shot at that.

If we win the league and get into the CL playoff, the lowest seeded side was Slavia Prague at 27.000.

The non-champion CL playoff had a lowest seed of 55.000, belonging to Dynamo Kiev.
 
What would that relate to in terms of pots? Would we have been second seeds this season with 20.25

If we qualify for last 32 is there a bare minimum amount we’ll end with?
We would have been at the top of Pot 3, but any more points added would have seen us in Pot 2.
 
What would that relate to in terms of pots? Would we have been second seeds this season with 20.25

If we qualify for last 32 is there a bare minimum amount we’ll end with?
With 20.250 we would have been just outside pot 2, with the lowest-ranked pot 2 side being Real Sociedad with 20.456.

From now on, any win we get this season will add 2 points to our club coefficient, and a draw 1 point. So say we get 2 more wins and a draw in the group, we'll end up having 25.250 which would have been enough to be the 5th highest-ranked pot 2 side. And that's before any points we manage to get from the knockout stages.
 
What would that relate to in terms of pots? Would we have been second seeds this season with 20.25

If we qualify for last 32 is there a bare minimum amount we’ll end with?
I'm not too sure its the pots that are important here if im honest ... look at the draw the Tims got and they were in pot 1

The important bit is getting seeded in all the qualifiers ... especially if we are going into Champions League qualifiers next year (Champions Route of course :)))
 
With the changes to the European formats from next season - Europa reducing to 32 teams and new Conference League - things could get a lot more interesting. Europa group stages will be harder as 4 teams that are 1st seeds this year become 2nd seeds next year and 8 of this years 2nd seeds become 3rd seeds. We would have been the bottom seeded team in the Europa League based on next years format.

It will become harder to pick up points with tougher groups and fewer qualifying rounds and splitting the points over 5 teams.

Hopefully Aberdeen or Hibs can qualify for conference group stage and pick up some points there. It would genuinely only take 1 more team to compete domestically and in Europe for things to improve within Scottish football and allow sustained European challenges.
 
Our club coefficient has risen from 94 to 78 for next season - and counting...

We still have 2 crap years to ditch.

5 years of 11 points per year would put us in the top 25 (!)

5 years of 5 would put us in top 50.


16/17 17/18 18/19 19/20 20/21 Pts NA

- 0.250 5.000 11.000 2.000 18.250 5.875
Would have been so much better if the Progres debacle hadn’t happened
 
This topic brings us back to the question of how could Scottish football be improved, technically, tactically and as a spectacle.

increasing league sizes apparently is out because there would only be 2 OF games for TV but how do we marry that with increasing league size to try to reduce pressure on clubs?

Empty seats, or even whole sides as at Hamilton and Partick Thistle reduce the value of the product as a TV spectacle. Perhaps clubs should be fined for any spare seats within the first, say, 10 rows. Or even for any spare seats. That would mean clubs would have to try to fill grounds through better marketing or, more likely, sell more seats to bigger supports
 
It'll be interesting to see if any of the diddies can get into the Conference League next season.

Whoever takes the Europa league spot is guaranteed at least conference league. If they lose Europa playoff they drop right into conference group.
 
We need a stronger league. The leagues ahead of us all have 4 teams contributing. 11th is our ceiling and we will be lucky to hold onto it.
 
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