Uefa say no European football if leauge is void

Football isn't even secondary to what is going on at the moment. Void everything and tell TV companies that if they start claiming money back then they will go to somewhere else for tv rights.
 
Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1

We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.
Thanks for posting. One section been taken out of context on Twitter. It’s clear UEFA want the football played in full and this is to discourage actions at this stage that do not explore that option in the fullest. If no football has been played come July and void options have to be made in leagues then UEFA will accept that!.
 
Back in 2005 when unique circumstances forced a choice between Everton and Liverpool UEFA were unable to prevent the former being nominated. Liverpool were then given special dispensation to enter anyway.


Only because TNS of Wales offered to play Liverpool in a qualifier as they had a bye I think..... Uefa's problem was that Liverpool had won the champions league but failed to qualify through league placing and I'm sure there was a limit on amount of clubs in said competition, uefa said it was a decision for the English FA to decide, previously this had happened in Spain where a team who had finished 3rd were bumped for Real Madrid
 
“Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition”

Not exactly true. The FAs of each country nominate their representatives - the accepted norm and fairest way is that of league position.

Remember this from 1993 when Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport we’re excluded from entering the Welsh Cup, their only viable route into Europe at the time.

Welsh league clubs were (and continue) getting spanked and it transpired that the Welsh FA had the power to allow the above teams represent them but chose not to for their own benefit.
 
Stop the leagues where they are, give European places based on current positions (normalised where games played have been different) split prize money evenly across all teams and start next season like nothing ever happened.
 
Easy Peasy. Set up a breakaway European competition and tell UEFA to shove their elitist, money-grabbing set up where the sun don’t shine.

Under what governing body?
What sponsorship?
Tv deal?
Prize money ?

Throwaway comments that look.good when written down but when investigated are almost theoretically Impossible.
 
Don’t think there will be European football next season anyway. That headline though is being misinterpreted by the compliant mentally challenged mhedia. On a seperate note I despair that they are so desperate for a title that means nothing at this terrible time. They really are scum
 
Its also saying without playing all the league games you wont get european places.

participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfillment of such condition.”

In bold for clarity, you cant hand someone a league they havent wont in a full league cycle
 
Greedy bastards fighting over money, money, money. No furking morals.

People are dying across Europe in their thousands. :mad:
 
Op Headline doesn’t really match the quote.

The quote states full domestic competition so that would intimate that awarding championships early would also threaten European qualification.

That doesn't fit the agenda of the rhags though mate.
 
“Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfillment of such condition.”

Obviously more of an an opinion piece from someone rather than UEFA saying there’ll be no European football.

Misleading thread title.
 
The fact is that they don't actually say that voiding the season will mean no European football next season. UEFA make no mention of voiding leagues.
What UEFA say is that participation is determined by the results at the end of a full domestic competition and a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition.
This could apply if the league is declared void but could also be applicable if a league (like the Belgians) is terminated early and winners/losers announced by the relevant Association.
They are also very careful to say that it would "cast doubt" as opposed to saying that it would mean the requirement couldn't be met and, as such, they would exclude such countries from participating in Europe the following year. They clearly don't want to fully commit and then have to back track when the German, Italian or Spanish league doesn't actually finish.
They want to pressgang the various leagues into finding away to complete their outstanding fixtures so that their premier tournaments can be resumed and the cash-cow continue.
Football really is not coming across well just now.

Agree with every word of that.

And you’re right. Both UEFA and the top players and owners of clubs are generally coming across as a bunch of self serving, avaricious and heartless bastards.

They really don’t come of this looking the least bit compassionate. There are of course the odd exceptions dotted here and there, but a generally very poor response from football in these awful, awful times
 
Not read the thread but Robert Grieves interpretation and focus is staggeringly stupid

Robert. If Celtic get given the league for free they dont get the Champions League.

Unless you win on the pitch, you dont win.

Thats the headline pal.
 
That doesn't fit the agenda of the rhags though mate.

Actually, apologies to the OP, I note that the original tweet mentioned that, yet contradicts the actual UEFA statement.
Then I noticed the “journalist” is from the Scottish Sun. Probably a sponsored post from him.
 
I’ve created a thread with the correct title and Rangers standpoint.

We need to stop giving credence to this shower and their deliberate drip drip drip narrative massaging stuff akin to 2012
 
Surely it’s the SFA that nominates the teams as qualified for European competitions, like when Motherwell took Rangers position. We merely agree that last year's standings are carried forward. However there are no qualifiers required for those that remain in the competition this season.

Simple. Legally sound.
Yes, the sfa nominate the teams to play in Europe.
we all recognise it as the teams finishing in an order after a season finishes.
the sfa can nominate sides now if they wish still based on order, the league doesn’t have to be complete to do this.
 
Well they’ll need to sort out the CL and EL places from this season first.
No?
I’ve said this in a lot threads.
Extending the season means European football not starting till later.
Thats major, real major, income lost.
Voiding the season raises questions about European qualification.
Awarding leagues, in itself, is bad enough but allowing the teams, who’ve been awarded leagues without actually winning them, the opportunity to earn lottery win level cash windfalls, thus enabling them to spend more and create a bigger gap, is just not sport.
I have a bigger problem with the scum getting this opportunity than I have with them being awarded a league championship.
Maybe if UEFA could withhold prize monies for next seasons tournament* this would go some way to allaying this concern.
So many questions, I believe, needing answered by UEFA.
We all know their answer will be “that'll be up to the domestic associations” and they’ll go ahead anyway.

*Begs the question of what happens to this seasons prize money.
 
Finnish this seasons Euro championships when it's safe for cross country travel,No Euro games season 20/21 restart 21/22,If any industry can survive this football can.
 
I'd say uefa is trying to force associations into naming teams for whatever they have planned in regards to the next European competitions as they know this seasons will never be completed
 
They'll cave in if several leagues null and void their season, the fact that hamden chiefs are leaking stories to the media and are jumping all over Belgiums decision to push for any outcome that hands Celtic the league is more proof of how corrupt the SFP/SPFL is with Peter Lawell and his lackeys at the helm, there is always a solution to any situation, null and void the season start again next season and you could go with clubs individual ratings in Europe for their entry into Europe, the point I'm making is you don't have to complete the season to rank the best placed teams for Europe and I'm surprised no-one has put this option out in the media.
 
BBC Radio Shortbread seems to be raging at the Uefa advice. For the life of me can’t work out why it should upset a neutral news broadcaster.
 
robert grieve is a stmirren supporter, thats only because he couldnt afford the bus fare to the piggery. He hates Rangers with a passion.
 
Absolute fucking nonsense. Italy and Spain are the worst affected countries in Europe. They will be forced to void their seasons. Is Robert fucking Grieve attempting to tell me that UEFA would not have any Italian or Spanish sides competing in European competition next season?

This.
 
Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1

We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.
This is pretty clear -
"this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results."
Mathematically we can still win so they can't award them the title unless it's played out.
"Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season."
To me this means you can null and void the season as a last resort if the games cannot be fitted in.
I'd say this letter will be of use in court if the league is awarded to them prematurely.
 
Yes, the sfa nominate the teams to play in Europe.
we all recognise it as the teams finishing in an order after a season finishes.
the sfa can nominate sides now if they wish still based on order, the league doesn’t have to be complete to do this.

But do UEFA have to accept those nominations? Its their tournament after all. FWIW I think they probably would accept any national nominations - Motherwell were nominated instead of us in 2012 despite only finishing third - but if they didn't it would be 'fun' to watch the chaos that would ensue.
 
Surely it’s the SFA that nominates the teams as qualified for European competitions, like when Motherwell took Rangers position. We merely agree that last year's standings are carried forward. However there are no qualifiers required for those that remain in the competition this season.

Simple. Legally sound.

I believe that this will happen for quite a few leagues and UEFA will be fine with it. Your last bit won't happen because UEFA will make sure that there is a conclusion to this season's CL and EL competitions.
 
Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1

We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.


This is definitely official correspondence between UEFA and Rangers.

This poster has some solid sources at the club.
 
This is definitely official correspondence between UEFA and Rangers.

This poster has some solid sources at the club.

Its a leaked letter than has been published in the media @MearnsUnionist . Firstly overseas as I understand it. The poster may have obtained a copy from Rangers but I don't think he's claiming that. The important point is that the info therein is 100% genuine.
 
The fact is that they don't actually say that voiding the season will mean no European football next season. UEFA make no mention of voiding leagues.
What UEFA say is that participation is determined by the results at the end of a full domestic competition and a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition.
This could apply if the league is declared void but could also be applicable if a league (like the Belgians) is terminated early and winners/losers announced by the relevant Association.
They are also very careful to say that it would "cast doubt" as opposed to saying that it would mean the requirement couldn't be met and, as such, they would exclude such countries from participating in Europe the following year. They clearly don't want to fully commit and then have to back track when the German, Italian or Spanish league doesn't actually finish.
They want to pressgang the various leagues into finding away to complete their outstanding fixtures so that their premier tournaments can be resumed and the cash-cow continue.
Football really is not coming across well just now.
I think this is UEFA covering their back for instances where leagues are declared, either in favour of current standings of null and void where there are European positions available that aren't mathematically guaranteed. It would be wrong for them to allow teams to play in the Euro competitions that haven't met the requirements.
 
Nothing can be null and voided until we are confirmed that fixtures cannot take place by the date UEFA need to know winners etc for Euro comps.

Theres a long game to play here, it will drag out another two months at least.
 
I think this is UEFA covering their back for instances where leagues are declared, either in favour of current standings of null and void where there are European positions available that aren't mathematically guaranteed. It would be wrong for them to allow teams to play in the Euro competitions that haven't met the requirements.
It would, indeed, be wrong but if there is European football next year then what option do they have if none of the leagues, or very few of them, actually get played to a completion. They certainly won't exclude the Italians, Spanish or German teams.
They are making sure that if that is the case then it's the National Associations and not UEFA who are liable for any potential claims.
 
The season is either completed or its void, them are the choices, no titles will be handed out.
 
Can't imagine the Italians or Spanish giving a crap about this at the moment. If these two countries decide to void their League, as I suspect they might, UEFA will have no choice but to accept it. There is no way they'd crack on with euro club competitions without these two countries.
 
But do UEFA have to accept those nominations? Its their tournament after all. FWIW I think they probably would accept any national nominations - Motherwell were nominated instead of us in 2012 despite only finishing third - but if they didn't it would be 'fun' to watch the chaos that would ensue.
as long as the have a licence to play.
iirc, the only time they did specify, was to refuse the national cup runners up when the league winners had also won the cup.
that place went to the next in line in the league.
 
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