Union Bears banner at stadium

I’m not a fan of some of the current people leading our club but let’s leave the banners and petulance to the other mob.

Too many fans only interested in the good times and can’t accept that we a trying to compete with a Celtic team that is actually pretty good. We have barely lost a game in months and we were in a European cup final 10 months ago. Entitled nonsense is what it is
 
dublinbluenose said:
If you listen to David Edgar who was RST PR man during the “we deserve better” he thinks it was a huge mistake to include team tactics as part of it and he had to endure the Walter stare at a meeting.david Edgar received numerous threats because of the we deserve better campaign.at the time some punters from this messageboard escorted David to his seat to ensure he wasn’t attacked.
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Seriously? I don’t recall anything like that but that’s crazy.

For having a different opinion on things? %^*& me
 
club175 said:
I’m not a fan of some of the current people leading our club but let’s leave the banners and petulance to the other mob.

Too many fans only interested in the good times and can’t accept that we a trying to compete with a Celtic team that is actually pretty good. We have barely lost a game in months and we were in a European cup final 10 months ago. Entitled nonsense is what it is
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Pardon? That’s a load of utter nonsense when you consider BF1 has actively supported the team on the pitch vocally since it’s inception in 2011/12

You can criticise them for whatever you wish but don’t try and pretend that fans in BF1 only support the club when the going is good. If you want to go down that route, look at fans who jumped on the bandwagon when we got back to the top league
 
AchtungBaby said:
One loss since Beale came in. Sure we started the season with mediocrity but we got the change in manager we wanted and there's been significant improvement in results.
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We’re 9 points behind as the current board held on to Gio too long

Humiliated in Europe after being charged the dearest tickets for the privilege

Millions wasted on dross in recent seasons under Wilson
 
Skylon Niagara said:
Seriously? I don’t recall anything like that but that’s crazy.

For having a different opinion on things? %^*& me
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Yep,David was the face of the rst at the time and he got all sorts of threats and not just from yahoos either.i am sure some from this board who were part of some protests outside Ibrox well tell you about being spat upon and called 19th Century Terrorist bastards and banners ripped out of there hands.
 
Once our dummy tit brigade grow up and realise there’s no sugar daddy around then realism may click. Yes we want success however for those of us who supported the club through the Stein era in a basic wilderness, success comes round in circles. David Edgar has pointed out how even prize money from Europe is compromised through co efficiency problems carried over from the charlatans. Has our board got things right, No, is their heart in the right place, Yes. So one of the richest clubs, supposedly in the World, just yesterday Manchester United is a Billion pound of debt, and is allowed to get away with the fair play, or Manchester City which can’t fill a fifty thousand stadium. What links between fans and the Club would we have if owners didn’t give a shit about us. In simple terms we will be back, however Beale is looking to next season and incoming and outgoing of players with what he’s described as a very good transfer budget, he’ll sink or swim.
 
Skylon Niagara said:
Pardon? That’s a load of utter nonsense when you consider BF1 has actively supported the team on the pitch vocally since it’s inception in 2011/12

You can criticise them for whatever you wish but don’t try and pretend that fans in BF1 only support the club when the going is good. If you want to go down that route, look at fans who jumped on the bandwagon when we got back to the top league
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Indeed they were 3/4,000 on the ccs in the lower leagues which then balloned to 7/8,000 in the first season back and then 15,000 by year two.
 
Skylon Niagara said:
Yes, there’s members that are in their 30s. Majority of their longest members will be late 20s. I know this to be a fact. They do have a lot of younger guys that stand in the section but not everyone in BF1 is a member

Their old capo Ross will be around 33/34 I’m sure
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That’s interesting information. Thanks for sharing. So how many of them are there?
 
The_Gaffer said:
Yes and it's an accumulative effect.

Of course the results have an impact, the LC Final was the trigger point. All feelings of unrest have a trigger point that manifest into protest.

It's this snobby, arrogant opinion that this is just rage from fans about losing the odd OF game. It's absolutely somebody's right to disagree with all the points but I'll repeat it's just willful ignorance to claim it's all unrest over results.
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Accumulative effect? That would be more believable if there was also protests last season, the fact they only started following the LCF means a lot of people now think, rightly in my opinion, its just toys out the pram due to a poor season this season.
 
Blueknows said:
That’s interesting information. Thanks for sharing. So how many of them are there?
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Are you the police? Do you want their names and addresses?

I’ve answered your question informing you that they’re not wee teenagers as you suggested. I don’t know the information you’re asking for but even if I did I wouldn’t be answering on a public forum

You’ve got a response to your original point, they’re not all wee guys. You can either choose to accept it and believe what I’ve said or not, I’m not fussed
 
Valley Bluenose said:
I've never met either Robertson or Wilson and I've no idea what their actual remit is nor the resources they are given to undertake it. Are they failing? I can't say that with certainty, can you? The Club is, gradually, getting back on its feet so it would appear Robertson is doing OK. I accept he's not the most 'dynamic' of personalities though. On the signings side, we've had some howlers. Undoubtedly. Is that entirely down to Wilson though? There will be others who form part of the signing discussions, including the Manager. I get that he's in charge but we've no idea how those discussions went. Did GvB insist on Matondo etc? I have no idea.

Toddler tantrums, which is what this is, won't drive either out of their jobs. Indeed, were I in a position in charge of them and I saw this sort of stuff I think I'd be more inclined to back my employee rather than sack them. I wouldn't be inclined to give in to the 'mob'. Then again, I'm kinda stubborn that way.
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Good post. I think I’d call you grown up rather than stubborn. My question to those seeking the sack for Robertson and Wilson is - who do you want to replace them?
 
dublinbluenose said:
If you listen to David Edgar who was RST PR man during the “we deserve better” he thinks it was a huge mistake to include team tactics as part of it and he had to endure the Walter stare at a meeting.david Edgar received numerous threats because of the we deserve better campaign.at the time some punters from this messageboard escorted David to his seat to ensure he wasn’t attacked.
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I recall this in the H&H ‘Murray & Me’ series (excellent, incidentally) and the criticism of, for example, corner kicks. Walter didn’t take kindly to it and quite rightly.
 
i personally don’t think this type of protest changes anything but I guess it’s the only way to be heard these days.

Reading through the replies and references to Whyte, Green Murray and Sugar daddy’s etc suggests to me some fans don’t know the difference between the corporate board and the football operation board. These 2 in particular have under performed and I think we can do a lot better.
 
BrooklynBlue said:
I recall this in the H&H ‘Murray & Me’ series (excellent, incidentally) and the criticism of, for example, corner kicks. Walter didn’t take kindly to it and quite rightly.
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Wait, so the RST previously protested during the “we deserve better” campaign and part of it was to do with our corner kicks, however we’ve to believe the UB aren’t within their rights to criticise signings and other operational decisions?

Come on
 
Hopefully there’s a giant ‘%^*& Humza’ banner in the stadium today as well
 
Skylon Niagara said:
That’s beside the point I’m making here. I can remember back to 2009 and I’m asking a rhetorical question here but did protesters receive the same vitriol that the UB receive?

What gave the RST the right to protest in 2009 if they weren’t speaking for the full fan base - which is something that’s often a stick used to beat the UB with. How come it was ok for the RST to protest but not the UB? Why did people not get uptight en masse with the RST in the same way the UB trigger people?

I also remember the criticism the UB took for the Always Ibrox protest. They turned out to be right on that one though, didn’t they
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There are many within our support who fear safe standing might mean they lose 'their' seat. They criticise the UB at every turn as they see them as the main threat to their special view.
 
blueismycolour said:
Aye, let's all sit back and accept 2nd best.

At the moment, that is most certainly the case.

A significant section of our support have to wake up to that fact............
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I didn't say I am impressed with Robertson and Wilson.

But the UB continue to give the manky mob a giggle with their banners.

I have nothing against these particular banners - but only inside the ground.
 
DarthVader said:
I didn't say I am impressed with Robertson and Wilson.

But the UB continue to give the manky mob a giggle with their banners.

I have nothing against these particular banners - but only inside the ground.
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They tried to get they banners into Ibrox the last home game and their storage area was raided by police if you believe the clubs version of events
 
DarthVader said:
I didn't say I am impressed with Robertson and Wilson.

But the UB continue to give the manky mob a giggle with their banners.

I have nothing against these particular banners - but only inside the ground.
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If past games are anything to go by, I highly doubt you will see them in the ground today.
 
Brian11Laudrup said:
They tried to get they banners into Ibrox the last home game and their storage area was raided by police if you believe the clubs version of events
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Were they protesting against the board or the police last time round?

They were never going to get away with a banner.showing a police officer as a pig.

They are bickering with everyone and to be honest, it's tiresome. They need to grow up and stop acting like petulant children .
 
Skylon Niagara said:
I’m not comparing the circumstances of what they’re protesting about, I’m fully aware of what the protests were about

My question is why the UB are criticised and the “they don’t speak for all fans” is a stick to beat them with but the same premise could be applied to the we deserve better campaign?

For what it’s worth, I supported we deserve better protests and I also support the current UB one. I just think the UB should be allowed to protest like any other group can if they want without the abuse and snipes like “stick to what you’re good at”
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Said it in the other thread, if the Podcast clique were doing these everyone would be behind them.
 
dublinbluenose said:
Yep,David was the face of the rst at the time and he got all sorts of threats and not just from yahoos either.i am sure some from this board who were part of some protests outside Ibrox well tell you about being spat upon and called 19th Century Terrorist bastards and banners ripped out of there hands.
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I can recall all sorts of stuff around that time, mainly from the old forum or seeing guys handing out leaflets and getting into arguments.

Unfortunately, there is a sizeable amount of folk in our support who view any sort of criticism or promoting an alternative, even when it is done with the hope of making Rangers stronger, as an out and out attack on Rangers.

There are also some tubes who would to this day start an argument if you had mouthed David Murray.
 
The Director said:
Wait a second - are folk really saying the WDB campaign was wrong? 3 years later we were in administration. Anyone who didn’t support it turned out to be on the wrong side.

The difference here is full incompetence from RW/SR rather than nasty egotistical maniacal behaviour under Murray.
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No one is saying that protest was wrong. But you can't have a right to protest then, then a "get behind the team" attitude now.
 
I am 100% behind the Robertson out banner, iv been saying for years Robertson should be nowhere near us.

Not sure why the UBS are so in on Wilson though, I don’t think he’s done a great job, terrible window last time but I’m not sure he’s deserving of the same treatment Robertson is getting.
 
BoyInRoyalBlue said:
I am 100% behind the Robertson out banner, iv been saying for years Robertson should be nowhere near us.

Not sure why the UBS are so in on Wilson though, I don’t think he’s done a great job, terrible window last time but I’m not sure he’s deserving of the same treatment Robertson is getting.
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Last window we signed Csntwell and Raskin. You think that's terrible?
Who did you want, Mbappe? :))
 
The Director said:
Wait a second - are folk really saying the WDB campaign was wrong? 3 years later we were in administration. Anyone who didn’t support it turned out to be on the wrong side.

The difference here is full incompetence from RW/SR rather than nasty egotistical maniacal behaviour under Murray.
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No. The we deserve better campaign was absolutely justified and I supported it at the time. I was questioning whether those protesting got the same vitriol against them as my memory suggested they didn’t. @dublinbluenose has informed me that David Edgar was threatened, I wasn’t aware of this

RST We deserve better was justified
UB current protest is justified
 
vicbex said:
There are many within our support who fear safe standing might mean they lose 'their' seat. They criticise the UB at every turn as they see them as the main threat to their special view.
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That’s a completely separate matter but I can see both sides of that discussion. That issue may have an impact on peoples perception of the UB though
 
I've always got the impression from Ultras groups abroad that the actual football on the pitch is secondary to their own activities of support or dissent. The symbolism of "the leader" - Mr Capo with his loudspeaker - often not even facing the pitch is telling. Similarly, the singing seems to go on monotonously whether a team are 3-0 up or 3-0 down; again the football on the pitch a bit of a sideshow. The groups abroad seem to have significance because of large numbers and their vociferous approach. Rangers seem to have a comparatively tiny number who do some fantastic displays, some terrible singing and protests that are a tad self-indulgent. Good luck to them, but you don't get the impression too many of them are that bothered about, say, Raskin's role in the team or the freshness that Cantwell has brought when compared to their own next activity.
 
Bigbluebear said:
It's a subjective opinion that Celtic have more money than us?

OK then. Think there's maybe some crossed wires here
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You're intentionally crossing the wires.

You think all this is due to results, others are arguing it's not and have listed the points.

Disagree with those points all you want but don't tell people they're being somehow dishonest about why they're unhappy.
 
The Wilson stuff kind of annoys me honestly. Don't know why people have the expectation that you can just sack your DoF at the drop of a hat and expect everything to go smoothly.

He's currently gearing up with Beale - who by all accounts he has a good working relationship with - for one of the most important windows in recent memory.

We sack him now and who do we have at the helm for that? God help us if its up to any of the non footballing brains running the club to fire into negotiations with the likes of Bayern Munich over the Tillman deal etc - these are the guys who appointed Pedro.

People honestly don't have a clue about Ross Wilson's role at Rangers and it annoys me that guys are so adamant that sacking him right now is the best way forward for our football club. What authority could any supporter possibly have to state that so confidently?
 
The_Joker said:
Accumulative effect? That would be more believable if there was also protests last season, the fact they only started following the LCF means a lot of people now think, rightly in my opinion, its just toys out the pram due to a poor season this season.
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No it would be less believable if there were protests last season, the fact they've begun after a number of incidents is the definition of accumulative.
 
The_Gaffer said:
No it would be less believable if they're were protests last season, the fact they've begun after a number of incidents is the definition of accumulative.
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Every single one of the 'incidents' the UB are protesting about were also happening last season so why only have the protests begun this season?
 
The_Joker said:
Every single one of the 'incidents' the UB are protesting about were also happening last season so why only have the protests begun this season?
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I must’ve missed the protests at Dundee and St Johnstone away

Last season the European run was the reason protests didn’t ramp up
 
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