Union Bears doing a collection to help pay members legal fees

Bobby De Niro said:
Oh I don’t disagree that it happened.

I just don’t agree it’s anything other than Ned behaviour
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I can see how to some of our generation and in the context of Glasgow, football ultras culture and the stuff they are into could be seen as ned behavior by some. All I’m trying to do in this thread is defend the UB in the context for this particular incident.

Also their right to protest against PS. I think they are justified as I’ve seen and experienced the treatment they get first hand. I can see why they have an issue with PS. I can see why PS have an issue with them, it would be daft to deny that.

They are a Rangers fan group, they do some great stuff, they also make a cnut of it sometimes and do stuff I don’t like, I will criticise that, respectfully and amongst our own.

When it comes to outsiders attacking them such as the press, PS, GB and Bhoys, I’ll defend them the same way I would any Rangers fan.
 
GazzaLegend said:
Derfinatley wasn’t arranged mate, I know that 100%,

UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers
UB kicked %^*& out of them and chased them
Police then kettled UB from the street and back down to the stadium.

Now get this, you’ll love it. They then allowed UB to go in and do the Tifo, is shit you not. This included all the guys that got famous in the DR a week later. They actually escorted the guys they later charged back into the stadium! Brilliant isn’t it!
After the Tifo was complete, the Police escorted the group back to the carpark. They all got in their cars and as they left the car park, the police photographed their cars.

Facts here are very simple,
large group of GB and Bhoys turned up to ambush the UB. They knew the UB numbers would be small. the Rangers Riot Crew members wouldn’t be there, just the normal group members and a load who are not full members. They thought they were onto a certainty. It’s the only time they ever turn up.

UB lads humiliated them, allegedly broke the law :cool:week later PS published photos in the press and a load of UB lads have been charged. I believe most handed themselves in.
The lads are now doing a collection for legal fees, very open about it, pitch in or don’t, no worries, we are all Rangers fans eh.
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Is there seriously something called the Rangers Riot Crew...with membership?! Were they busy, on riot duty, elsewhere on the Sunday morning? Is Danny Dyer going to turn up in this thread soon?
 
Unclerico27 said:
Is there seriously something called the Rangers Riot Crew...with membership?! Were they busy, on riot duty, elsewhere on the Sunday morning? Is Danny Dyer going to turn up in this thread soon?
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Get in there! Canny beat a football violence thread without a mention of Danny Dyer.
 
Noddy said:
Get in there! Canny beat a football violence thread without a mention of Danny Dyer.
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Can’t mention Danny Dyer without Noddy saying you can’t have a thread without him.

Noddy pure loves Danny

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Unclerico27 said:
Is there seriously something called the Rangers Riot Crew...with membership?! Were they busy, on riot duty, elsewhere on the Sunday morning? Is Danny Dyer going to turn up in this thread soon?
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No pal, no such thing as far as I know.

Remember the casuals, ICF, then you had all the other fucktards from a good few of the other Scottish clubs. I dare say It’s all just a thing football fans go through, it’s society, it’s growing up, it’s living life with your pals and feeling part of something big.

Im too old for all of that now but I loved the away days and following the club across Europe when I was a young man, wouldn’t change it for the world.
Im sure you will have great memories following the famous when you were young? No?

That is all any of this is, some bears need to calm the %^*& down and get some perspective.

I understand the younger bears and applaud their commitment. Loyalty and passion for the club. I understand many of them are living and having some of the best times of their lives. They lads need to be careful these days though and keep things reasonable, I think UB definitely do that most of the time. They are nothing like the scum across the city.

Scotland in general is a political fuckimg shit pile where one section of society is protected, despite being a minority, because the scum bags who want to break the union decided to use them.

Life will move on quick enough and they will be miserable like the rest of us.
More power to UB.
 
GazzaLegend said:
Now get this, you’ll love it. They then allowed UB to go in and do the Tifo, is shit you not. This included all the guys that got famous in the DR a week later. They actually escorted the guys they later charged back into the stadium! Brilliant isn’t it!
After the Tifo was complete, the Police escorted the group back to the carpark. They all got in their cars and as they left the car park, the police photographed their cars.
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Shocking harassment and unfair treatment right there.
 
@GazzaLegend

Do you ever think that you post too much about the ins and outs of the UB situation?

From your posts I know that your lad is spilling his guts to you then you to anyone on here.

As you’ve said UB don’t care about opinions on here so maybe there’s no need to post so much information?
 
GazzaLegend said:
Derfinatley wasn’t arranged mate, I know that 100%,

UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers
UB kicked %^*& out of them and chased them
Police then kettled UB from the street and back down to the stadium.

Now get this, you’ll love it. They then allowed UB to go in and do the Tifo, is shit you not. This included all the guys that got famous in the DR a week later. They actually escorted the guys they later charged back into the stadium! Brilliant isn’t it!
After the Tifo was complete, the Police escorted the group back to the carpark. They all got in their cars and as they left the car park, the police photographed their cars.

Facts here are very simple,
large group of GB and Bhoys turned up to ambush the UB. They knew the UB numbers would be small. the Rangers Riot Crew members wouldn’t be there, just the normal group members and a load who are not full members. They thought they were onto a certainty. It’s the only time they ever turn up.

UB lads humiliated them, allegedly broke the law :cool:week later PS published photos in the press and a load of UB lads have been charged. I believe most handed themselves in.
The lads are now doing a collection for legal fees, very open about it, pitch in or don’t, no worries, we are all Rangers fans eh.
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The rangers riot crew? Please tell me this is a made up thing
 
Blue Light Loyal said:
@GazzaLegend

Do you ever think that you post too much about the ins and outs of the UB situation?

From your posts I know that your lad is spilling his guts to you then you to anyone on here.

As you’ve said UB don’t care about opinions on here so maybe there’s no need to post so much information?
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Yes your probably right, you want me to explain myself?
No one is spilling there guts though, you’ll no doubt call me a liar but your wrong on that. I can assure you. I do know a good few of the lads who get involved with the group, none of them are members though, all good young bears.

Here’s why I’m posting on this thread though, I know what happened at Hampden. it’s all common knowledge if you care to look at the thread your referring to and other threads on here. I do try to stick to the facts. I’ll defend them in this case, Ive not got a problem with that.

I don’t think they care at all. Im posting on here having a debate with people who agree and some disagree. No big deal.

Edit: there you go Mr Blue Light - https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/in-praise-of-the-union-bears.238171/

Covers it all perfectly for the majority I would think.
 
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GazzaLegend said:
Derfinatley wasn’t arranged mate, I know that 100%,

UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers
UB kicked %^*& out of them and chased them
Police then kettled UB from the street and back down to the stadium.

Now get this, you’ll love it. They then allowed UB to go in and do the Tifo, is shit you not. This included all the guys that got famous in the DR a week later. They actually escorted the guys they later charged back into the stadium! Brilliant isn’t it!
After the Tifo was complete, the Police escorted the group back to the carpark. They all got in their cars and as they left the car park, the police photographed their cars.

Facts here are very simple,
large group of GB and Bhoys turned up to ambush the UB. They knew the UB numbers would be small. the Rangers Riot Crew members wouldn’t be there, just the normal group members and a load who are not full members. They thought they were onto a certainty. It’s the only time they ever turn up.

UB lads humiliated them, allegedly broke the law :cool:week later PS published photos in the press and a load of UB lads have been charged. I believe most handed themselves in.
The lads are now doing a collection for legal fees, very open about it, pitch in or don’t, no worries, we are all Rangers fans eh.
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Seems to me that the whole situation could and should have been avoided had the police done their job correctly. The GB shouldn’t have got anywhere near Hampden the morning of the match.

For the police to continue to escort the UB on to set up and days later plaster their faces all over the press is lunacy. They should have dealt with the situation at the time.

I’m not one for any kind of violence but I am one for standing your ground. Will happily donate to the lads and fair play to them being upfront about where the funds are going.
 
GazzaLegend said:
No pal, no such thing as far as I know.

Remember the casuals, ICF, then you had all the other fucktards from a good few of the other Scottish clubs. I dare say It’s all just a thing football fans go through, it’s society, it’s growing up, it’s living life with your pals and feeling part of something big.

Im too old for all of that now but I loved the away days and following the club across Europe when I was a young man, wouldn’t change it for the world.
Im sure you will have great memories following the famous when you were young? No?

That is all any of this is, some bears need to calm the %^*& down and get some perspective.

I understand the younger bears and applaud their commitment. Loyalty and passion for the club. I understand many of them are living and having some of the best times of their lives. They lads need to be careful these days though and keep things reasonable, I think UB definitely do that most of the time. They are nothing like the scum across the city.

Scotland in general is a political fuckimg shit pile where one section of society is protected, despite being a minority, because the scum bags who want to break the union decided to use them.

Life will move on quick enough and they will be miserable like the rest of us.
More power to UB.
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Some of the greatest days and nights of my teens and twenties were spent following the Rangers. Maybe just me, but I never felt like joining a “crew” who wanted to fight opposition supporters or be a massive pain in the arse to people in other towns or throw cones and garden furniture around streets. I once saw a crowd of Aberdeen casuals doing all of this and more as they trooped through Glasgow city centre (heading to Parkhead) and my main thought was: “What a shower of fannies.”

I’m not really sure if the Union Bears get up to such shenanigans, but I’m fairly sure they would have received short shrift (and a kick in the balls) if they were telling people back in the 70s and 80s where they could and couldn’t stand at away grounds or were waving big daft flags during the match.

I’m clearly not the demographic for Ultra culture, but it does feel a little forced, contrived and self-indulgent; you can add in laughable if there are blokes in their thirties and forties involved.
 
Blueseatea said:
Seems to me that the whole situation could and should have been avoided had the police done their job correctly. The GB shouldn’t have got anywhere near Hampden the morning of the match.
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I keep seeing this in this thread.

Please give us the details on how, exactly, you expect that to happen. Feel free to enlighten us with your expert analysis since it "seems to you" that they should have "done their job".
 
JorgAlbertz said:
I keep seeing this in this thread.

Please give us the details on how, exactly, you expect that to happen. Feel free to enlighten us with your expert analysis since it "seems to you" that they should have "done their job".
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I think it’s a good idea to be proactive rather than reactive. Why let a situation unfold when it could have been stopped altogether by approaching and moving on the GB.
 
JorgAlbertz said:
I keep seeing this in this thread.

Please give us the details on how, exactly, you expect that to happen. Feel free to enlighten us with your expert analysis since it "seems to you" that they should have "done their job".
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Seems to be it's very possible that they would have done their job, however if - as suggested by other posters - the UB threw pre-emptive self defensive punches (yeah, me either... Did they have a subsequent early morning night flight?) then it goes from prevention of a possible crime to dealing with an actual crime.

As with others who have commented, I've been going to football, home and away since I was 5 (38 years of attending).
Number of altercations with police: 0
Number of fights: 0 (since leaving primary school in fact, never mind just in context of football).
 
Blueseatea said:
I think it’s a good idea to be proactive rather than reactive. Why let a situation unfold when it could have been stopped altogether by approaching and moving on the GB.
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That isn't what I'm asking you. What, exactly, do you expect them to have "proactively" done to stop this as it was described earlier:

"UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers"

How do you expect the police to "proactively" stop these numbers clearly about 50-60, before getting there. They aren't going to meet or travel under police's nose, or where there is CCTV clearly. They aren't going to advertise it to anyone. Even if they did go separately, is a group of 6 or 7 lads doing nothing else but making their way along a street near the ground to a meeting point going to draw attention on cup semi final day? Probably not.

The UB are there to set up at 9am, 6 hours before the kick off. What would folk expect there to be police-wise at a stadium 6 hours before a kick off? It is not North Korea, Nazi Germany or Half Life 2 despite how some like to portray things. There is not an infinite number of cops just sitting about waiting to be sent to stop or follow a large group of ultras around at 9am on a Sunday morning, there is not someone sitting watching every CCTV camera every second of every day waiting for something to happen. They aren't wire-tapping their phones, reading their private messages or bugging ultras rooms to listen into their plans.

We are talking about public body which is nearly 1000 people down on its numbers, massively underfunded and struggles as it is to provide a response to already reported crime and the numbers on these mornings are most likely depleted with cops being put on duty at the game instead of that early.

Even if the police did know about the UB being there to set up - and the GB the day before - and they had put 2 or 4 cops out as a deterrent 'Just In Case', the poor wee souls in the UB and GB who can't handle the target they paint on their own back would spin it as being harassed whining about not even being left alone to set up a display.

They cry ACAB and also expect the police to "do their job" to protect them at all times. But they also only want them to "do their job" against the other side. People can't have it all ways.
 
JorgAlbertz said:
That isn't what I'm asking you. What, exactly, do you expect them to have "proactively" done to stop this as it was described earlier:

"UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers"
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Touched a nerve have I officer?
 
Unclerico27 said:
Some of the greatest days and nights of my teens and twenties were spent following the Rangers. Maybe just me, but I never felt like joining a “crew” who wanted to fight opposition supporters or be a massive pain in the arse to people in other towns or throw cones and garden furniture around streets. I once saw a crowd of Aberdeen casuals doing all of this and more as they trooped through Glasgow city centre (heading to Parkhead) and my main thought was: “What a shower of fannies.”

I’m not really sure if the Union Bears get up to such shenanigans, but I’m fairly sure they would have received short shrift (and a kick in the balls) if they were telling people back in the 70s and 80s where they could and couldn’t stand at away grounds or were waving big daft flags during the match.

I’m clearly not the demographic for Ultra culture, but it does feel a little forced, contrived and self-indulgent; you can add in laughable if there are blokes in their thirties and forties involved.
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That’s fair enough pal. Some good days, I was never latched onto any other group back then either and i doubt very much I would be involved in the Ultras thing if that was around then.

Got into a few scrapes at away games, me and my pals had a good laugh, nothing too heavy.

it’s difficult for us older bears to understand the Ultras thing, I don’t know all that much about how it all works but I believe the fighting thing is a very small part of it and just driven by the same old thing, football rivalry. It’s more about Tifos and match day support these days i think and falling out with the polis :))

Your right. It would appear there are a few things the need to be better at with our fans, the away thing and seat allocation is mentioned a lot,
 
Bit cheeky asking for folk to pay for them getting caught trying to be 1980s casuals.

I thought it was embarrassing as %^*& that they actually sang songs at the following league game about it as well, especially after we lost the actual football match.
 
JorgAlbertz said:
I keep seeing this in this thread.

Please give us the details on how, exactly, you expect that to happen. Feel free to enlighten us with your expert analysis since it "seems to you" that they should have "done their job".
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It would've been quite hard to miss 100 GB dressed in khaki jackets walking about the streets of Mount Florida at 9am on a Sunday morning. Even worse if they got the train from Glasgow Central.
 
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JorgAlbertz said:
That isn't what I'm asking you. What, exactly, do you expect them to have "proactively" done to stop this as it was described earlier:

"UB were in the car park meeting up to go into the stadium and do the Tifo, early morning as planned and agreed by PS, SFA and the Club Security team.
GB and Bhoys turned up, came round the corner and started running at UB, they had much larger numbers"

How do you expect the police to "proactively" stop these numbers clearly about 50-60, before getting there. They aren't going to meet or travel under police's nose, or where there is CCTV clearly. They aren't going to advertise it to anyone. Even if they did go separately, is a group of 6 or 7 lads doing nothing else but making their way along a street near the ground to a meeting point going to draw attention on cup semi final day? Probably not.

The UB are there to set up at 9am, 6 hours before the kick off. What would folk expect there to be police-wise at a stadium 6 hours before a kick off? It is not North Korea, Nazi Germany or Half Life 2 despite how some like to portray things. There is not an infinite number of cops just sitting about waiting to be sent to stop or follow a large group of ultras around at 9am on a Sunday morning, there is not someone sitting watching every CCTV camera every second of every day waiting for something to happen. They aren't wire-tapping their phones, reading their private messages or bugging ultras rooms to listen into their plans.

We are talking about public body which is nearly 1000 people down on its numbers, massively underfunded and struggles as it is to provide a response to already reported crime and the numbers on these mornings are most likely depleted with cops being put on duty at the game instead of that early.

Even if the police did know about the UB being there to set up - and the GB the day before - and they had put 2 or 4 cops out as a deterrent 'Just In Case', the poor wee souls in the UB and GB who can't handle the target they paint on their own back would spin it as being harassed whining about not even being left alone to set up a display.

They cry ACAB and also expect the police to "do their job" to protect them at all times. But they also only want them to "do their job" against the other side. People can't have it all ways.
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Have they actually said this ?
There are posters in here' me included, who have questioned how the police missed a large group of balaclava wearing individuals.
I'm not sure that the UB have asked for protection at all times.Were do you get this from ?
As for the North Korea comments etc.Im not sure of the exact CCTV set up but I do know that we are one of the most heavily surveillanced countries in the world.
The 6 or 7 in a group comment if this is correct and you just aren't making stuff up again Wouldn't that look suspicious several groups of 6 or 7 lads, let's just say about 10 /15 of them ? All converging in the same direction all wearing similar clothes on an early Sunday morning.
Now here's the big question.
As far as I know they haven't whinned about being left alone to do a display.
Are you telling us that they don't have that right ? Do people carrying out displays not have the right to do so peacefully without being attacked ? Or does protection of the law only apply to nice people.

You're showing a lot of prejudice here officer to the point that you seem to believe that protection in society doesn't apply to some.
You don't seem to be calling out organised gangs who attack old guys in pubs and people organising football displays.
I'm not an apologist for the UB although I'd like to try and strike some balance.Thats something that you are failing to do imo and your other points get lost amongst your bias and sweeping statements
 
JorgAlbertz said:
They cry ACAB and also expect the police to "do their job" to protect them at all times. But they also only want them to "do their job" against the other side. People can't have it all ways.
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You clearly do not have a clue what you're talking about.

The time and effort you and the chip on your shoulder have put into this thread to keep it alive only serves to keep the donations coming in.

I am not speaking on behalf of anyone with this post, but I know a lot of the lads are very grateful to everyone who has donated so far.
 
Kirkhillbear said:
Bit cheeky asking for folk to pay for them getting caught trying to be 1980s casuals.

I thought it was embarrassing as %^*& that they actually sang songs at the following league game about it as well, especially after we lost the actual football match.
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We lost the original ‘Chased you all over Hampden’ match.

Come to think of it we lost the Hibs one as well.

Starting to see a pattern here!
 
Always got time for the Union Bears but see that morning at Hampden what actually happened as from what I saw it was the Groin Brigade who were the instigators.
 
sneddon38 said:
Always got time for the Union Bears but see that morning at Hampden what actually happened as from what I saw it was the Groin Brigade who were the instigators.
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The only local place nearby and out of the road where the goof brigade could have gathered at that time of the morning without being seen would be Cathkin.
 
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