Union Bears Statement on UEFA's decision

blueballs

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Yes. If there are songs reported it’s the next stage. That’s how serious this is.
So, wait a second here till this is crystal clear.

Given there is probably many a hater that's already got their letters, tweets, emails or whatever already drafted in anticipation of Thursday, and will submit these through social media marked FAO UEFA no matter what does (or doesnt) occur on Thursday, who exactly will be the arbiter of the supports conduct and to what criteria must they follow?

Surely there must be cognisance of the clubs response, the spirit of the message and level of engagement and buy-in of the fans to eradicate the issue as will be demonstrated by either a lack of banned songs or a level of self policing towards those daft enough to not grasp the situation, of which I'm sure they'll be in a noticeable minority which itself reflects progress in the week following sanctions......or are you actually suggesting that if a few drunked up idiots fall foul then were simply getting a closed door situation??

For it's on this point many would treat the clubs lack of support with disdain. Help us help you and all that. Its starting to sound like an inevitability, I can see done quarters choking to 'report 'us....regardless of the accuracy or merits of said report.
 

BlueLagoonCo

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There has to be a definitive clear and concise statement on what songs are banned. If FARE reported us for Build My Gallows, which I struggle to find anything remotely offensive with, then it won't matter what we sing. The obvious agenda is clear to see. The club has to show a degree of willingness to meet us halfway here.
 

derbyloyal

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The club took the tickets off the section who committed the crime. Some may think it’s unfair that all in the area were punished for the actions of a few but surely we can agree it’s appropriate that the section the charge came from should bear the brunt of the punishment. If not then there is zero accountability for our actions.
Surely the club should come out and educate the fanbase on what is acceptable and what is not instead of throwing our most verciferous support under the bus and just leaving it at that? Between the treatment of the Union Bears and the pathetic RSC allocation for the Old Firm, Rangers haven't exactly covered themselves in glory this last week.
 

stillill

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I have been 100% behind the board until now. Their scapegoating of the UB and failure to stand up to this hounding by UEFA & FARE is cowardly at best. There was no challenge to the ruling, especially the racist part, no demand for clarification, no attempt to defend how wonderful our supporters have behaved all over Europe. The board have just bent over and taken it once again. I acknowledge the problem originated with Murray but if King and Co. are Rangers men they should realize this is a war on our club and support and instead of hanging supporters out to dry start to support them. Gerrard asked for full support on Thursday from the entire ground from start to finish. By banning the UB the board have ensured that will not happen and have removed the one section of our support capable and willing to “bring the noise” Gerrard desperately wanted. In their eagerness to appease, the board have shot themselves in the foot, I only hope it doesn’t cost us.
Greg has said this is not a battle the Board could ever hope to win. There is no upside to this for us. We play in their competition under their rules.

We might not have any crowd in future rounds if we continue.

Whatever folk think the “end game” is, football is not the outlet for political or tribal conflicts. Other teams might play that game, who cares, but we now cannot.

For every post about bending over and selling out, there’s another trumpet saying “box clever”. No one has done that despite all this “box clever” shitposts for years, and now we are here.

Go and shout on your street corner or in your back garden if you’re all about hating the pope or whoever, but hating your way thru a f*cking football match? Tragic.
Ps this isn’t a pop at you btw
 

Craig McColl

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Folk like you seem to be the biggest danger to the club, at least the UB can collectively be dealt with.

People dotted around the stadium that aren’t willing to accept that this type of behaviour is unwanted, out of date and harming the club are a bigger threat IMO.
I'll hand myself in to Dave King 1st thing tomorrow.
 

blueballs

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The club took the tickets off the section who committed the crime. Some may think it’s unfair that all in the area were punished for the actions of a few but surely we can agree it’s appropriate that the section the charge came from should bear the brunt of the punishment. If not then there is zero accountability for our actions.
If you're charged with something, it doesnt follow you're convicted. Yet were charged and next thing punished.

Is there not a gap in the chain here?

I'm not talking bout what's went before, it's just starting to sound inevitable and with a lack of club support, unbelievable what's coming our way
 

Bowery Boy

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Surely the club should come out and educate the fanbase on what is acceptable and what is not instead of throwing our most verciferous support under the bus and just leaving it at that? Between the treatment of the Union Bears and the pathetic RSC allocation for the Old Firm, Rangers haven't exactly covered themselves in glory this last week.
This is absolutely laughable. Who needs educated on what is a sectarian chant? Don't sing about Fenians, Catholics, the Pope, the IRA/UVF and we wont get booted out of Europe. It's really not difficult.
 

The Golden God

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stadium closure £50k fine, i believe

it's simple really remove the songs with offending add-ons from the songbook its not f*cking rocket science, the UB statement was very naively written
I'm not too sure about that. Some people are seriously having difficulties grapsing the situation.
 

Empire

Administrator
Staff member
It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
 

BlueLagoonCo

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stadium closure £50k fine, i believe

it's simple really remove the songs with offending add-ons from the songbook its not f*cking rocket science, the UB statement was very naively written
Surely there's a link between them and the club other than Ross. A go between if you like. Discussions with all concerned is the only way forward as I'd hate for the UB to be split up
 

LOL 133

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It isn’t the board’s fault that some fans sang songs that are well known to be banned.
The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.

They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.

Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
 

Greg Marshall

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I personally am fully behind the Union Bears and think the way they are being demonised is absolute disgrace. They need to box more clever, that isn't up for debate, but to pin everything on them is just plain wrong. Our enemies want us to turn on each other, they're getting exactly what they want at the moment.
Surely the club should come out and educate the fanbase on what is acceptable and what is not instead of throwing our most verciferous support under the bus and just leaving it at that? Between the treatment of the Union Bears and the pathetic RSC allocation for the Old Firm, Rangers haven't exactly covered themselves in glory this last week.
Firstly the UB weren’t singled out. BF1 was and for the reasons discussed before.

The OF allocation is simply due to having more RSCs than ever before, more ST holders than ever before, and more of the family stand buying their tickets than ever before. Not sure what they could do there to satisfy demand
 

BrunoBear

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If you're charged with something, it doesnt follow you're convicted. Yet were charged and next thing punished.

Is there not a gap in the chain here?

I'm not talking bout what's went before, it's just starting to sound inevitable and with a lack of club support, unbelievable what's coming our way
What support do you need from the club not to sing about Fenians the IRA and Bobby fkn Sands?
 

DylanGer

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The UB's you could argue have been let down by the club because the club has consistently allowed them to get away with stuff that should have been stamped out.

They're clearly young and are trying to drive the atmosphere but it's head in the sand stuff from them if they don't recognise dodgy songs has started in their area and spread-it might not be them but it comes from that area.

Their naivety about UEFA and FARE is remarkable but even after getting areas shut down seems the uber staunch on here and elsewhere are probably on a similar wavelength.

They should have been pulled in line a long time ago and seen some leadership from the big hitters at the club.

I think it's inevitable we may see a new sanitised singing section emerge whether it works or not is up for debate.
 

BlueLagoonCo

Well-Known Member
Greg has said this is not a battle the Board could ever hope to win. There is no upside to this for us. We play in their competition under their rules.

We might not have any crowd in future rounds if we continue.

Whatever folk think the “end game” is, football is not the outlet for political or tribal conflicts. Other teams might play that game, who cares, but we now cannot.

For every post about bending over and selling out, there’s another trumpet saying “box clever”. No one has done that despite all this “box clever” shitposts for years, and now we are here.

Go and shout on your street corner or in your back garden if you’re all about hating the pope or whoever, but hating your way thru a f*cking football match? Tragic.
Ps this isn’t a pop at you btw
Nobody hates anyone it's songs during a game of football. People taking songs as literal threats are not fucking well
 

ecossebear

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I have been 100% behind the board until now. Their scapegoating of the UB and failure to stand up to this hounding by UEFA & FARE is cowardly at best. There was no challenge to the ruling, especially the racist part, no demand for clarification, no attempt to defend how wonderful our supporters have behaved all over Europe. The board have just bent over and taken it once again. I acknowledge the problem originated with Murray but if King and Co. are Rangers men they should realize this is a war on our club and support and instead of hanging supporters out to dry start to support them. Gerrard asked for full support on Thursday from the entire ground from start to finish. By banning the UB the board have ensured that will not happen and have removed the one section of our support capable and willing to “bring the noise” Gerrard desperately wanted. In their eagerness to appease, the board have shot themselves in the foot, I only hope it doesn’t cost us.
But it’s not for the club to defend the indefensible. The singing that game was loud and clear and I knew straight away we would be in trouble for it. The commentators also commented on it. It wasn’t one or two idiots that got the club in trouble. We can argue over whether it’s racist but the authorities (UEFA, government, police) class it as racism and we have to accept that. The club should not be fighting uefa on it - we just need to accept we can no longer sing the songs. The “but other teams can sing” nonsense is irrelevant. Don’t sing banned songs we don’t get in bother. What’s so difficult?
 

GF7

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Bollocks. Every single fan is now aware of their responsibilities. Do you really need an hugely embarrassing statement from the board to tell you not to sing songs about Fenians and the Pope?
Thing is if the board were to do this, which I don't think they will and really hope they don't, then they would be openly saying what words / songs are unacceptable. The words /songs will then inevitably get belted out at some point in a game and the club will not have a leg to stand on in regards to defending themselves against any sanctions.
 

BrunoBear

Well-Known Member
It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
Folk said while we came back up the leagues that the songs we were singing would land us in trouble when back in Europe, and here we are.
 

dirtyharry

Well-Known Member
It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
Best it's discussed on here and other social media outlets to get the message across that Thursday nights are not the time to take risks with the songbook.

As much as there are differing views, that message will be clear.
 

The Meik's Crombie

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No. Called irony. If you read anything before spouting tired old shite you'd have got the point.
Ah but I had read everything on the thread. Your post(s) have nothing to do with irony but nevertheless you choose to abuse my post(s). I pointed out I have never heard polite clapping to any Rangers goal in all of my time following Rangers. OK? Oh and you must have scarcely believable hearing that you are able to pick up people sighing. Unless that occurs in whatever part of the ground you are in.
 

Turrabear

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The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.

They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.

Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
Like where your coming from mate.
 

BlueLagoonCo

Well-Known Member
UEFA dont give a %^*& about the intent. We breached their rules and are serving their punishment.
I know that, but going by some on here the songs are literal threats. Plenty of the UB have mates in the GB etc. I agree the banned songs and words should stop but come on the over reacting is like a soap opera
 

Greg Marshall

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If you're charged with something, it doesnt follow you're convicted. Yet were charged and next thing punished.

Is there not a gap in the chain here?

I'm not talking bout what's went before, it's just starting to sound inevitable and with a lack of club support, unbelievable what's coming our way
The club were charged and found guilty and had to remove sections totalling no less than 3000 seats. BF1 was in the charges that we were found guilty on.

It’s not inevitable- we have an opportunity to sort this once and for all
 

Govanx

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It’s all there in the second sentence of the second paragraph. “...and at no time have we been taken to task for the nature of the songs or the content therein.”
Why not? Why has the club not had a quiet word in the ear of the leadership of the UB and told them to cut it out? If they have and produce the minutes then I’ll stand corrected but a lot of people need to get of their high horse here. It’s not enough to be reactive Mr Robertson or the clown who is head of security (I saw him in action when I was over from the states and marked him as a pompous buffoon who was full of himself). It’s not enough the bring the LGBTQ community in, have the players wear rainbow colored laces and declare “everyone anyone” that is but the guys who produce the atmosphere they can get tae fk! To everyone that says”they know what songs were banned” so did Robertson and co. But they allowed it to be belted from the stands apparently unchallenged until our tarrier enemies have a word in UEFA’s ear.
Proactive not REACTIVE is what these lads are looking for.
 

Alex

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The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.

They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.

Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
The board didn't engage with fans? The club issued a statement before the St Joseph's game to remind fans that our support is under scrutiny.

You want the club to go to war with everyone, however, currently the club is being attacked because supporters have given others an open goal to attack us. UEFA don't really care about whataboutery, concentrate on ourselves - cut the fenian chants and we won't have any more issues.

Also note that Greg mentioned in this thread he's met with supporters concerning this sanction. That is the club engaging. Unless you want Dave King to meet every supporter for a cup of coffee, I'm not sure what more you want the club to be doing.
 
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