What support do you need from the club not to sing about 19th Century Terrorists the IRA and Bobby fkn Sands?If you're charged with something, it doesnt follow you're convicted. Yet were charged and next thing punished.
Is there not a gap in the chain here?
I'm not talking bout what's went before, it's just starting to sound inevitable and with a lack of club support, unbelievable what's coming our way
I'll hand myself in to Dave King 1st thing tomorrow.
Nobody hates anyone it's songs during a game of football. People taking songs as literal threats are not fucking wellGreg has said this is not a battle the Board could ever hope to win. There is no upside to this for us. We play in their competition under their rules.
We might not have any crowd in future rounds if we continue.
Whatever folk think the “end game” is, football is not the outlet for political or tribal conflicts. Other teams might play that game, who cares, but we now cannot.
For every post about bending over and selling out, there’s another trumpet saying “box clever”. No one has done that despite all this “box clever” shitposts for years, and now we are here.
Go and shout on your street corner or in your back garden if you’re all about hating the pope or whoever, but hating your way thru a f*cking football match? Tragic.
Ps this isn’t a pop at you btw
I have been 100% behind the board until now. Their scapegoating of the UB and failure to stand up to this hounding by UEFA & FARE is cowardly at best. There was no challenge to the ruling, especially the racist part, no demand for clarification, no attempt to defend how wonderful our supporters have behaved all over Europe. The board have just bent over and taken it once again. I acknowledge the problem originated with Murray but if King and Co. are Rangers men they should realize this is a war on our club and support and instead of hanging supporters out to dry start to support them. Gerrard asked for full support on Thursday from the entire ground from start to finish. By banning the UB the board have ensured that will not happen and have removed the one section of our support capable and willing to “bring the noise” Gerrard desperately wanted. In their eagerness to appease, the board have shot themselves in the foot, I only hope it doesn’t cost us.
Thing is if the board were to do this, which I don't think they will and really hope they don't, then they would be openly saying what words / songs are unacceptable. The words /songs will then inevitably get belted out at some point in a game and the club will not have a leg to stand on in regards to defending themselves against any sanctions.Bollocks. Every single fan is now aware of their responsibilities. Do you really need an hugely embarrassing statement from the board to tell you not to sing songs about 19th Century Terrorists and the Pope?
Some people don’t care mate. It’s their club and they’ll sing whatever shite they feel like.
Founding fathers turning in their graves.
Folk said while we came back up the leagues that the songs we were singing would land us in trouble when back in Europe, and here we are.It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
UEFA dont give a %^*& about the intent. We breached their rules and are serving their punishment.Nobody hates anyone it's songs during a game of football. People taking songs as literal threats are not fucking well
That thought has also crossed my mind.If that's actually true then what's stopping a Rangers hater on a mission getting a ticket and getting us chucked out of Europe altogether?
Ah but I had read everything on the thread. Your post(s) have nothing to do with irony but nevertheless you choose to abuse my post(s). I pointed out I have never heard polite clapping to any Rangers goal in all of my time following Rangers. OK? Oh and you must have scarcely believable hearing that you are able to pick up people sighing. Unless that occurs in whatever part of the ground you are in.No. Called irony. If you read anything before spouting tired old shite you'd have got the point.
Actually read what I've said on this thread .I’m not asking for anyone to stop going to games - just move with the times and realise the bigoted songs need to stop.
Like where your coming from mate.The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.
They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.
Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
I know that, but going by some on here the songs are literal threats. Plenty of the UB have mates in the GB etc. I agree the banned songs and words should stop but come on the over reacting is like a soap operaUEFA dont give a %^*& about the intent. We breached their rules and are serving their punishment.
If you're charged with something, it doesnt follow you're convicted. Yet were charged and next thing punished.
Is there not a gap in the chain here?
I'm not talking bout what's went before, it's just starting to sound inevitable and with a lack of club support, unbelievable what's coming our way
The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.
They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.
Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
Not the point mate.What support do you need from the club not to sing about 19th Century Terrorists the IRA and Bobby fkn Sands?
I wouldnt trust FARE not to say there is more chanting this week anyway.
Staggering view to have nevermind post. And that's after their half arsed statement earlier today.And we’ve took away the tickets from the guys who do more to promote old Rangers songs than anyone else and realise the position were in now.
And Ibrox will now be full off pissed up Euro day trippers
Crazy stuff.
Not having a go at you personally mate, I've just had my ears bashed by a lot of disappointed members in my RSC.Firstly the UB weren’t singled out. BF1 was and for the reasons discussed before.
The OF allocation is simply due to having more RSCs than ever before, more ST holders than ever before, and more of the family stand buying their tickets than ever before. Not sure what they could do there to satisfy demand
Not having a go at you personally mate, I've just had my ears bashed by a lot of disappointed members in my RSC.
They have played a large part in bringing back old Rangers songs as have the BO and also new chants exclusively about Rangers with no religious or political connotations.So don't think it's a staggering view at all.Staggering view to have nevermind post. And that's after their half arsed statement earlier today.
The Club tell us exactly what songs are going to get us in bother then ban anyone who doesn't heed their advice gets a ban. No ambiguity, the Club showing leadership, everyone fully aware of what is expected. What is so laughable about that?This is absolutely laughable. Who needs educated on what is a sectarian chant? Don't sing about 19th Century Terrorists, Catholics, the Pope, the IRA/UVF and we wont get booted out of Europe. It's really not difficult.
So why did fare report Build My Gallows?This is absolutely laughable. Who needs educated on what is a sectarian chant? Don't sing about 19th Century Terrorists, Catholics, the Pope, the IRA/UVF and we wont get booted out of Europe. It's really not difficult.
It’s all there in the second sentence of the second paragraph. “...and at no time have we been taken to task for the nature of the songs or the content therein.”
Why not? Why has the club not had a quiet word in the ear of the leadership of the UB and told them to cut it out?
But it’s not for the club to defend the indefensible. The singing that game was loud and clear and I knew straight away we would be in trouble for it. The commentators also commented on it. It wasn’t one or two idiots that got the club in trouble. We can argue over whether it’s racist but the authorities (UEFA, government, police) class it as racism and we have to accept that. The club should not be fighting uefa on it - we just need to accept we can no longer sing the songs. The “but other teams can sing” nonsense is irrelevant. Don’t sing banned songs we don’t get in bother. What’s so difficult?
We got 4 tickets for the Old Firm last season and got only 1 for next week, that's a massive difference.And members of the away scheme in the same boat. Re away tickets we've all found ourselves in the same situation thanks to basics supply & demand economics.
The board didn't engage with fans? The club issued a statement before the St Joseph's game to remind fans that our support is under scrutiny.
You want the club to go to war with everyone, however, currently the club is being attacked because supporters have given others an open goal to attack us. UEFA don't really care about whataboutery, concentrate on ourselves - cut the 19th Century Terrorist chants and we won't have any more issues.
Also note that Greg mentioned in this thread he's met with supporters concerning this sanction. That is the club engaging. Unless you want Dave King to meet every supporter for a cup of coffee, I'm not sure what more you want the club to be doing.
It absolutely terrifies me that people cannot see the gravity of this and think the club going against FARE is an option here. UEFA do not care. Calls for parity right now are a scream into the void. If people cannot grasp this everything we have worked to rebuild over the last 8 years could be destroyed.
What would Mr Struth think? Some of our “fans” don’t deserve admission.
We got 4 tickets for the Old Firm last season and got only 1 for next week, that's a massive difference.
If they did then I can only presume it's because it mentions the IRA.So why did fare report Build My Gallows?
Well it says, I fought the IRA but I don't see what's offensive about thatSo why did fare report Build My Gallows?
Not having a go at you personally mate, I've just had my ears bashed by a lot of disappointed members in my RSC.
But Greg, you confirmed earlier if we are reported again for same offence, next sanction is stadium closure.The club were charged and found guilty and had to remove sections totalling no less than 3000 seats. BF1 was in the charges that we were found guilty on.
It’s not inevitable- we have an opportunity to sort this once and for all
But why target people in BF1 who weren't involved? I wasn't even present at the game, and wasn't given an offer of a seat elsewhere. If we've run out of seats then I'd rather have a fairer system of punishment, like a random ballot. I've literally lost my seat just because at other games I sit in the proximity of some of the offenders.You realise the club had to close 3000 seats. It didn’t matter what they did they were going to be criticised. I think what they have done is the best way of dealing with it, and it’s unfortunate that innocent fans are caught up in it. Maybe that’s what it will take.
Folk said while we came back up the leagues that the songs we were singing would land us in trouble when back in Europe, and here we are.
Has there been anything to confirm it's this? Tbf Britain fought the IRA so I don't get the offense.If they did then I can only presume it's because it mentions the IRA.
It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about 19th Century Terrorists, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.The Club tell us exactly what songs are going to get us in bother then ban anyone who doesn't heed their advice gets a ban. No ambiguity, the Club showing leadership, everyone fully aware of what is expected. What is so laughable about that?
That is true. I would give people the benefit of the doubt and say they maybe didn't quite grasp the seriousness of it before now but anyone still singing it deserves all they get.Disagree entirely. It didn’t used to be banned it is now. It really isn’t that difficult to follow. Normal people manage to go about life without it, why can’t the rest of us do do. Clearly we have a group of Rangers fans (including UB) who feel their right to chant unacceptable phrases is more important than the reputation and health of the club. How ridiculous is that?