Yet guys in the members lounge were emailed over the weekend offering them a further 3 tickets.There's been a massive increase in demand and from ST holders. Simple economics.
Yet guys in the members lounge were emailed over the weekend offering them a further 3 tickets.There's been a massive increase in demand and from ST holders. Simple economics.
It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about 19th Century Terrorists, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
For someone that doesn't agree with most of my postings these last few days I actually think that we're in agreement broadly maybe I've just been wording my views wrong.It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about 19th Century Terrorists, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
The board have failed because they didnt engage with the fans. Issuing statements and launching well meaning but futile campaigns doesnt work. Ask uefa if you dont know this already.
They need to do more a lot more. For a start they could tackle the constant attacks on the club and fans including the press, media, NBM and FARE. That would show the fans that they care. They could employ a researcher to gather evidence an# present this as proof of the bias, double standards and lies.
Finally, and more importantly, they could engage and liaise with fans at a meaningful level. Dont dictate. It doesnt work. Seek agreement and cooperation.
The club once again say zip.The club were charged and found guilty and had to remove sections totalling no less than 3000 seats. BF1 was in the charges that we were found guilty on.
It’s not inevitable- we have an opportunity to sort this once and for all
Who gives a shit about them. Forget about them and focus on your club.So the filth can sing in praise of that vile bunch of child killers but we can't sing in displeasure of them. What nut-job makes up these lop sided rules?
But if the Club actually came out and named the offending songs it would both show leadership and remove any ambiguity. I really can't see your problem with my suggestion.It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about 19th Century Terrorists, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
And does anyone think if Dave King thought we’d had any chance whatsoever of winning an appeal that he wouldn’t have looked into it? It’s costing us in both cash and reputation. The fact it’s been accepted and not challenged shows we are guilty
It isn’t a matter of negotiation, agreement, co-operation or compromise. It is black and white.
The fans either tow the line, cause massive further damage to the club or don’t come back to Ibrox.
It’s only natural views and opinions on a matter like this one is going to cause a divide but in what is a massive week for our football club and the feel good factor start to the season, seeing this thread tonight and seeing the bitching and in-fighting amongst our support over this issue, it’s very disappointing.
Said it on other threads over the weekend FF is 1 of he best club songs in the world.Don't know what's sadder the fact that people don't know the proper words or if they do they choose to bastardise it.Without the add ons to the likes of the sash and FF bastardising them.
But if the Club actually came out and named the offending songs it would both show leadership and remove any ambiguity. I really can't see your problem with my suggestion.
While I appreciate that most people are well aware, as Bowery Boy says, I tend to agree the club could provide 100% clarity by naming the songs that are not acceptable.But if the Club actually came out and named the offending songs it would both show leadership and remove any ambiguity. I really can't see your problem with my suggestion.
It’s simple - their punishments don’t fall under article 14.
We were fined for throwing paper on the pitch against progres 2 years ago - that didn’t fall under that scope either.
There are things that UEFA can fine you over but anything under article 14 closes sections and then stadiums. We can’t point at anyone to get away from this. We need to own our problem and deal with it as unpalatable as it may be to some.
It’s all there in the second sentence of the second paragraph. “...and at no time have we been taken to task for the nature of the songs or the content therein.”
Why not? Why has the club not had a quiet word in the ear of the leadership of the UB and told them to cut it out? If they have and produce the minutes then I’ll stand corrected but a lot of people need to get of their high horse here. It’s not enough to be reactive Mr Robertson or the clown who is head of security (I saw him in action when I was over from the states and marked him as a pompous buffoon who was full of himself). It’s not enough the bring the LGBTQ community in, have the players wear rainbow colored laces and declare “everyone anyone” that is but the guys who produce the atmosphere they can get tae fk! To everyone that says”they know what songs were banned” so did Robertson and co. But they allowed it to be belted from the stands apparently unchallenged until our mentally challenged enemies have a word in UEFA’s ear.
Proactive not REACTIVE is what these lads are looking for.
It's laughable because we all know what songs we can and can't sing. The Sash, Derry's Walls, Rule Britannia and Rangers songs are all fine. Songs about 19th Century Terrorists, the Pope, Catholics etc aren't.
You can add sponsors to the list of departures.The uefa sanctions and inevitably being kicked out of Europe (I don’t think the support will be able to stop the chanting) will see him gone very quickly after.
I'd like to ask defenders of the UB position one very simple question;
Will you take the club and manager's advice and cease songs with the word 19th Century Terrorist or pope/IRA references, or not?
No. Fans refusing to stop singing about the pope or 19th Century Terrorist got us here.
Pretty simple.
It absolutely terrifies me that people cannot see the gravity of this and think the club going against FARE is an option here. UEFA do not care. Calls for parity right now are a scream into the void. If people cannot grasp this everything we have worked to rebuild over the last 8 years could be destroyed.
Paul Murray and John Gilligan are goneDon't dare criticicize the board they saved our club
I'll leave that to the police matenext weekend when they sing Pro-IRA songs inside our stadium will all those attacking the UB go to the nearest copper and demand action is taken against the tramps?
Bit of both imo. It can hardly be clearer.Still people who want the club to literally tell them what songs are the problem ? After years of the club telling them to cut it out ?
Deliberately obtuse or thick ?
That approach doesnt work. Havent you noticed?
The answer is more complex but you carry on claiming its easy. A bit like the "just say no" approach to drugs. A simple solution for simple minds.
I'd like to ask defenders of the UB position one very simple question;
Will you take the club and manager's advice and cease songs with the word 19th Century Terrorist or pope/IRA references, or not?
So they do have influence. So no grandeur?40,000 weren't singing it at that game.
I agree with the action the Board has taken. An area has to take a hit, and that area has to be BF1. It's a no brainer.
So you've quoted me and still not read the post you quoted. Give it a bye.Ah but I had read everything on the thread. Your post(s) have nothing to do with irony but nevertheless you choose to abuse my post(s). I pointed out I have never heard polite clapping to any Rangers goal in all of my time following Rangers. OK? Oh and you must have scarcely believable hearing that you are able to pick up people sighing. Unless that occurs in whatever part of the ground you are in.
I don’t think it would provide clarity, quite the opposite.While I appreciate that most people are well aware, as Bowery Boy says, I tend to agree the club could provide 100% clarity by naming the songs that are not acceptable.
I think UEFA would probably take a favourable view of a proactive move like that.
Miss out? They’re getting relocated.Missed opportunity with that statement - by the Union Bears for the Union Bears and just comes across as a greet rather than something more constructive. Couldn't even mention those in the Club Deck that will miss out.
Totally agree. It's all very well saying folk should know what is and isn't acceptable but we are on a tightrope here. In the coming days the club have to set the agenda. If it means airing our dirty linen in public and being totally transparent then so be it, it's maybe what we've been needing for a while. People have to be in no doubt what is banned and the consequences for them individually and for the club. We have to show we are sincere in our desire to eradicate our issues. Instead of looking forward to an amazing week for our team I feel sick worrying about what we're going to sing and it stinks. We have to nail this now.But if the Club actually came out and named the offending songs it would both show leadership and remove any ambiguity. I really can't see your problem with my suggestion.
The Club tell us exactly what songs are going to get us in bother then ban anyone who doesn't heed their advice gets a ban. No ambiguity, the Club showing leadership, everyone fully aware of what is expected. What is so laughable about that?
I've been absolutely dismayed reading some of the stuff on here and social media over the last few days. But at the end of the day, I think it's just people venting about being singled out by FARE, and we're entitled to it.
We'll keep getting threads on it for the near future but I do think the bottom line is that everybody realises these songs have to stop now and I think they will.
The support today showed that it can be done, apart from maybe one wee slip up which stopped quite quickly.
If the club comes out with a list if songs we CAN sing it will simply lead to our enemies generating a debate on why it’s OK to sing those songs and why we shouldn’t.
If the club comes out with a list of sings we CAN’T sing then our enemies will simply sit with their headphones on and listen for a single fan amidst thousands singing one of those songs.
We know what’s right and wrong. We know what we can and cannot sing. What we need is common sense and realism, not lists.
Nothing wrong with songs that celebrate our heritage and culture, that's why they should say what we CAN'T sing and not what we can.The club are only likely to mention certain songs that are on the radar of FARE and Uefa which have already been targetted. I can't see them stating that a number of loyalist songs are ok to sing - something some fans would welcome. By not doing so, somewhere down the line one or two of these songs might be heard and we could be targeted again.
It would be easy to suggest that only Rangers themed songs should be sung but it's unlikely to be the case considering those supporters who love the old loyalist songs - many of which are not sectarian but in time will be deemed so by a certain organisation out for blood. All the board can do is ask fans to sing Rangers songs only - which I'm not against, but it's hardly likely to appease the whole support.
Nothing wrong with songs that celebrate our heritage and culture, that's why they should say what we CAN'T sing and not what we can.
Still people who want the club to literally tell them what songs are the problem ? After years of the club telling them to cut it out ?
Deliberately obtuse or thick ?
That's why they say what songs and words are unacceptable. Show some leadership and make an example of anyone who doesn't listen and tries to hurt the Club with their words, give our enemies nothing to work with.And if they say it’s OK to sing The Sash - and the FTPs creep in at the end again?