Use of the word "hun" - MSP response

I am not technically proficient enough to post something from YouTube so I will direct you to the site. There is a guy on there, Alex Belfield, The voice of reason. Hates box tickers, lefties etc. and this morning he has posted a piece on Godley which is less than complimentary. (A bit self obsessed about himself but you can get over it) He has over 200k followers so it will be getting out there about this odious little woman.
He has over 300,000 followers and I'm one,I don't agree with everything he says,but I'd back him 110%,in his fight against the police and the BBC,and as he says we are not all going to agree on everything but we should be allowed our own opinions, he despises the bbc woke liberals and lefties,long may he continue, worth a listen fellow bears ,and as Mr bellfield says if you don't like his podcast switch off!
 
Email response from Brian Whittle is same as already posted:

Dear Mr Vader

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the use of the word “hun” and its sectarian connotations. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding. The Scottish Conservatives believe there should be a zero tolerance of any form of sectarian language in Scotland. Discrimination and hate in all its forms is a stain on society and we should all work to stamp it out. With that said, it does appear that the law around the use of the word “hun” is less clear cut than for other terms which have been judged to be sectarian.

On balance, my own view is that given the clear potential for this word to be interpreted as having sectarian associations it should be considered as unacceptable.

I will pass on your comments to my colleague, Jamie Greene MSP, who is the party’s justice spokesperson and better placed to explore this matter in more detail.

Please be assured that the Scottish Conservatives take the issue of sectarianism extremely seriously and will continue to push for greater efforts to eradicate it from Scottish life.

Once again, my apologies for the delay in responding.

Yours sincerely,
Brian Whittle MSP
 
From.Sharon Downey and my reply:

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns around sectarian behaviour.

Footage such as this is deeply concerning and it is, regrettably, quite clear that the problem of sectarianism remains prevalent in Scottish society. I am clear that all forms of sectarian abuse such as this are completely unacceptable, and have no place in our society. This issue is one which requires a zero-tolerance approach from all corners of society – including from politicians and clubs.

Going forward, we need to ensure the Police are able to promptly step up and deal with occurrences such as this in a proportionate manner.

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact me on this issue.

Regards

Sharon

Sharon Dowey MSP
South Scotland Region



And my reply:

Thank you for the reply Sharon.

Can I ask about next steps please? Will you be taking this matter up with Police Scotland or raising the issue at Holyrood?

We have seen a great deal of publicity and police action around what is deemed to be anti Catholic or anti Irish racism, but the use of the offensive word "hun" is in continuous use on social media, in football grounds and on the streets with apparent immunity.

I believe that Police Scotland need to start taking the matter seriously.

Regards,
Darth
 
An reply from Colin Smyth:

Dear Darth

Thank you for your email and bringing this to my attention.

I agree that any form of racial abuse is not acceptable and I will write to the Justice Minister in order to highlight your concerns.

I will be back in touch when I receive a reply.

Kind Regards,

Colin

Colin Smyth

Member of the Scottish Parliament for South Scotland

(Scottish Labour and Co-operative Party)

Scottish Labour Shadow Cabinet Secretary
 
It should be there to protect ALL not just who they affiliate with.
That legislation is in itself discriminatory and let's face it we all know really what it's for and it's certainly not fair it's going to be used as a tool to hammer people who don't share their views. There is no such seperate legislation for what is happening constantly against Irish Protestants and the Orange order why do you need separate Irish, Catholic legislation.
You just watch them going after the OO that is really what they want to stop.
Correct, this is their ultimate end game mate and it should worry every single one of us.
 
Why cant she just raise a question in a similar way that Pauline McNeil did last week about "anti-Irish/catholic bigotry? I actually want to know why no MSP has said one word about the hate crime tweets from the Daily Record Journalists. They all couldn't wait to open their mouths when they thought they could stick the boot into Rangers fans but now, they all appear to have lost their collective voices!

And they wonder why so many people dont bother to vote. They're self serving scumbags.
 
Avoiding any commitment that the word Hun is sectarian. That’s what we’re up against.

I would return to him and ask directly for him to confirm that he and his party recognise the word Hun is a sectarian slur.

I am still waiting for a reply from my clown SNP MP.
Mate that's fucking spot on

I knew there was something 'off' about that email but you banged the nail on the head.

he needs pressed with a focus that 'hun' is secterian and not just 'kill all huns'
 
They want a one way street on prosecutions of sectarian hate speeches, won't acknowledge that the hun word is derogatory as an example, and are determined to stop Orange parades and destroy a Scottish/Ulster culture this is not democracy it's unlawful criminality, and discrimatory in every way.
 
Response I received from Lib Dem Leader Alex Cole - Hamilton


Thanks for getting in touch, Ahmnoatim. I’m sorry for the delay.



I absolutely share your concern here and believe that we cannot challenge one type of sectarian hatred without addressing it in the other direction as well.



You have my complete support on this.



Best wishes

Alex

“Email I sent him below”


Hi Alex

I hope you are well.

I'm writing with regards the use of the word "hun" and the religious sectarian connotations.

Like a great many people, I find this term to be deeply offensive. Nil By Mouth, the anti sectarian organisation, recognise this term as sectarian and offensive, as do PSNI.

Why is this offensive term allowed to go unchallenged on Scotland? Personally I have heard it from presenters on BBC radio, it is all over social media, it is sprayed on walls (KAH = Kill All Huns), and it is chanted at football ground - all seemingly without fear of prosecution.

I'd like you to highlight this matter in parliament and ask that this term is treated in the same manner as the equally offensive term "19th Century Terrorist". There should be a zero tolerance and its use should be seen as a religiously aggravated hate crime.

The MSP for Glasgow Cathcart is very vocal in his campaign against anti Irish racism, and I believe this term should have an equal focus.

Thank you for listening.
 
Response I received from Lib Dem Leader Alex Cole - Hamilton


Thanks for getting in touch, Ahmnoatim. I’m sorry for the delay.



I absolutely share your concern here and believe that we cannot challenge one type of sectarian hatred without addressing it in the other direction as well.



You have my complete support on this.



Best wishes

Alex

“Email I sent him below”


Hi Alex

I hope you are well.

I'm writing with regards the use of the word "hun" and the religious sectarian connotations.

Like a great many people, I find this term to be deeply offensive. Nil By Mouth, the anti sectarian organisation, recognise this term as sectarian and offensive, as do PSNI.

Why is this offensive term allowed to go unchallenged on Scotland? Personally I have heard it from presenters on BBC radio, it is all over social media, it is sprayed on walls (KAH = Kill All Huns), and it is chanted at football ground - all seemingly without fear of prosecution.

I'd like you to highlight this matter in parliament and ask that this term is treated in the same manner as the equally offensive term "19th Century Terrorist". There should be a zero tolerance and its use should be seen as a religiously aggravated hate crime.

The MSP for Glasgow Cathcart is very vocal in his campaign against anti Irish racism, and I believe this term should have an equal focus.

Thank you for listening.
Another one that supports you, but won't commit to doing anything
 
Response I received from Lib Dem Leader Alex Cole - Hamilton


Thanks for getting in touch, Ahmnoatim. I’m sorry for the delay.



I absolutely share your concern here and believe that we cannot challenge one type of sectarian hatred without addressing it in the other direction as well.



You have my complete support on this.



Best wishes

Alex

“Email I sent him below”


Hi Alex

I hope you are well.

I'm writing with regards the use of the word "hun" and the religious sectarian connotations.

Like a great many people, I find this term to be deeply offensive. Nil By Mouth, the anti sectarian organisation, recognise this term as sectarian and offensive, as do PSNI.

Why is this offensive term allowed to go unchallenged on Scotland? Personally I have heard it from presenters on BBC radio, it is all over social media, it is sprayed on walls (KAH = Kill All Huns), and it is chanted at football ground - all seemingly without fear of prosecution.

I'd like you to highlight this matter in parliament and ask that this term is treated in the same manner as the equally offensive term "19th Century Terrorist". There should be a zero tolerance and its use should be seen as a religiously aggravated hate crime.

The MSP for Glasgow Cathcart is very vocal in his campaign against anti Irish racism, and I believe this term should have an equal focus.

Thank you for listening.
You should reply back, thanking him for his support but ask him what are his next steps.

Keep the pressure on.
 
The SNP don't give a %^*& guys. They've just been voted back in.
We are their enemy and this will never be a level playing field.
As long as they are in power this crap will continue.
As Sturgeon said "these things happen" but when it's us it's anti catholic/Irish bigotry.
 
The SNP want this, it is part of a dedicated strategy to rid our country of unionism. The nazis started on a similar strategy with the Jews. I’m not saying they want us in gas chambers but their goal is to marginalise, criminalise and isolate anyone and anything that supports the United Kingdom.

They do not give a shiny shite about plastic paddies being “offended” by football banter they don’t care that some naughty words are sung by a group of kids. All they care about is their political end point and that we know is independence.

it passes them by conveniently that Celtic supporters fly the flag of another country and sing in full voice home and away their support for a proscribed organisation that murdered Scottish soldiers and even more recently sent a bomb to Glasgow University.

The only true way to start to turn this around is to ensure that no bear votes for these charlatans.
 
The SNP want this, it is part of a dedicated strategy to rid our country of unionism. The nazis started on a similar strategy with the Jews. I’m not saying they want us in gas chambers but their goal is to marginalise, criminalise and isolate anyone and anything that supports the United Kingdom.

They do not give a shiny shite about plastic paddies being “offended” by football banter they don’t care that some naughty words are sung by a group of kids. All they care about is their political end point and that we know is independence.

it passes them by conveniently that Celtic supporters fly the flag of another country and sing in full voice home and away their support for a proscribed organisation that murdered Scottish soldiers and even more recently sent a bomb to Glasgow University.

The only true way to start to turn this around is to ensure that no bear votes for these charlatans.
Nail on head mate 1st paragraph anyway,I've said for years that after 1945,that ANY POLITICAL PARTY using the word NATIONAL,in their title should not be allowed to use it,your parity with Hitler and the National Socialists is bang on.Being proudly Scottish and British is not a crime but sadly in world politics NATIONALISM needs a scapegoat (Hitler jews)all over Africa its happened Cambodia etc,and I'm afraid it seems to be us and our club!in the rhepulic of wee burnie
 
I am not technically proficient enough to post something from YouTube so I will direct you to the site. There is a guy on there, Alex Belfield, The voice of reason. Hates box tickers, lefties etc. and this morning he has posted a piece on Godley which is less than complimentary. (A bit self obsessed about himself but you can get over it) He has over 200k followers so it will be getting out there about if

I am not technically proficient enough to post something from YouTube so I will direct you to the site. There is a guy on there, Alex Belfield, The voice of reason. Hates box tickers, lefties etc. and this morning he has posted a piece on Godley which is less than complimentary. (A bit self obsessed about himself but you can get over it) He has over 200k followers so it will be getting out there about this odious little woman.
don't know if this will work not pc friendly but was on alex bellfield today !
 
Still waiting on reply from Ronnie Cowan from Inverclyde. Actually just received an email from Write To Them asking if I had a reply. Told them no and resent.
 
Email response from Brian Whittle is same as already posted:

Dear Mr Vader

Thank you for your e-mail regarding the use of the word “hun” and its sectarian connotations. Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding. The Scottish Conservatives believe there should be a zero tolerance of any form of sectarian language in Scotland. Discrimination and hate in all its forms is a stain on society and we should all work to stamp it out. With that said, it does appear that the law around the use of the word “hun” is less clear cut than for other terms which have been judged to be sectarian.

On balance, my own view is that given the clear potential for this word to be interpreted as having sectarian associations it should be considered as unacceptable.

I will pass on your comments to my colleague, Jamie Greene MSP, who is the party’s justice spokesperson and better placed to explore this matter in more detail.

Please be assured that the Scottish Conservatives take the issue of sectarianism extremely seriously and will continue to push for greater efforts to eradicate it from Scottish life.

Once again, my apologies for the delay in responding.

Yours sincerely,
Brian Whittle MSP
how is it less clear cut? Its been used in a way that's discriminatory or be offensive then its sectarian. there is case law on this.

he could also read this
 
I am looking forward to her reply.
Got it, waffling shite.

Not sure how to post it in full but basically she has said she is unaware of the situation at the daily record and could I provide evidence.

Also said she condemns all forms abuse, I asked for an example of one time.she has publicly spoken against anti protestant hate, I won't hold my breath.

She also said bizarrely, that she asked the question on the anti Catholic bias as it was current, I asked why you didn't comment on the hanging of protestant symbolic effigys when it was current. Look forward to her reply.
 
Got it, waffling shite.

Not sure how to post it in full but basically she has said she is unaware of the situation at the daily record and could I provide evidence.

Also said she condemns all forms abuse, I asked for an example of one time.she has publicly spoken against anti protestant hate, I won't hold my breath.

She also said bizarrely, that she asked the question on the anti Catholic bias as it was current, I asked why you didn't comment on the hanging of protestant symbolic effigys when it was current. Look forward to her reply.
shes a lying cow then as I sent her all the stuff online about the daily record countless times on Twitter so, she does know
 
Email her and ask why she's telling porkies. In a polite respectful way of course
I didnt email her. I sent ehr it on twitter. the person that emailed her could email her back and tell her all the daily record hate tweets were sent to her on Twitter. She should also be asked didn't she or anyone in the SNP demand police Scotland arrest Janey Godely for her hate tweets and sectarian attitude towards protestants and Rangers supporters?
 
I didnt email her. I sent ehr it on twitter. the person that emailed her could email her back and tell her all the daily record hate tweets were sent to her on Twitter. She should also be asked didn't she or anyone in the SNP demand police Scotland arrest Janey Godely for her hate tweets and sectarian attitude towards protestants and Rangers supporters?

I have included all of the above in my reply.
 
He has over 300,000 followers and I'm one,I don't agree with everything he says,but I'd back him 110%,in his fight against the police and the BBC,and as he says we are not all going to agree on everything but we should be allowed our own opinions, he despises the bbc woke liberals and lefties,long may he continue, worth a listen fellow bears ,and as Mr bellfield says if you don't like his podcast switch off!
I am going to see Alex Belfield in Blackpool on 1st October.

Can’t wait!
 
Got it, waffling shite.

Not sure how to post it in full but basically she has said she is unaware of the situation at the daily record and could I provide evidence.

Also said she condemns all forms abuse, I asked for an example of one time.she has publicly spoken against anti protestant hate, I won't hold my breath.

She also said bizarrely, that she asked the question on the anti Catholic bias as it was current, I asked why you didn't comment on the hanging of protestant symbolic effigys when it was current. Look forward to her reply.

Well done. She’s a ……..

Och, I don’t want banned.
 
From.Sharon Downey and my reply:

Thank you for contacting me with your concerns around sectarian behaviour.

Footage such as this is deeply concerning and it is, regrettably, quite clear that the problem of sectarianism remains prevalent in Scottish society. I am clear that all forms of sectarian abuse such as this are completely unacceptable, and have no place in our society. This issue is one which requires a zero-tolerance approach from all corners of society – including from politicians and clubs.

Going forward, we need to ensure the Police are able to promptly step up and deal with occurrences such as this in a proportionate manner.

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact me on this issue.

Regards

Sharon

Sharon Dowey MSP
South Scotland Region

Finally got a reply from Sharon Downey.

Pretty much the same as above with the exception of the first paragraph.

Dear D D

‘Thank you for contacting me with your concerns around sectarian behaviour, following footage that recently circulated featuring anti-Catholic chants’.

:mad:

In my email to her, and Brian Whittle, I made no reference to ‘anti-Catholic chants’. I did mentioned the Daily record, Godley and various MSPs.

It is a disgrace that there is no MSPs willing to stand up in the Scottish Parliament and take these people to task. The two email replies I have had are ,in my opinion, weak and show they are not willing to put their heads above the parapet
 
Finally got a reply from Sharon Downey.

Pretty much the same as above with the exception of the first paragraph.

Dear D D

‘Thank you for contacting me with your concerns around sectarian behaviour, following footage that recently circulated featuring anti-Catholic chants’.

:mad:

In my email to her, and Brian Whittle, I made no reference to ‘anti-Catholic chants’. I did mentioned the Daily record, Godley and various MSPs.

It is a disgrace that there is no MSPs willing to stand up in the Scottish Parliament and take these people to task. The two email replies I have had are ,in my opinion, weak and show they are not willing to put their heads above the parapet
Email her back to challenge her response.
 
More chasers sent.

Don't let this rest.


I've also asked how about arrests on Thursday night after the scum game, and if no arrests were made, why not.
 
In today's Herald Matthew Lindsay has used the H word in a headline purporting to describe Austin McPhee's hairstyle.

He fully appreciates its significance and is simply trying to show he couldn't care less about double standards. Or professionalism, for that matter.


However, if our support is to make headway on this issue why is there a swear filter on FF for words used to describe Celtic/IRA supporters but none for the H word?

Rangers' enemies will exploit this to argue that we as supporters are not really offended at all. It's an open goal.
 
I am not technically proficient enough to post something from YouTube so I will direct you to the site. There is a guy on there, Alex Belfield, The voice of reason. Hates box tickers, lefties etc. and this morning he has posted a piece on Godley which is less than complimentary. (A bit self obsessed about himself but you can get over it) He has over 200k followers so it will be getting out there about this odious little woman.
This is absolutely nothing to do with lefties, of which there are many in the Rangers support, me included.

it’s about consistency in terms of how discriminatory language is viewed.
 
I see on the twitter meltdown from yesterday that Kevin Williamson (a classic chattering classes, Yes voting, bawsack) has used the word and retweeted people using it too. Yet again someone so wrapped up in hating us he can’t see his own bigotry
 
I see on the twitter meltdown from yesterday that Kevin Williamson (a classic chattering classes, Yes voting, bawsack) has used the word and retweeted people using it too. Yet again someone so wrapped up in hating us he can’t see his own bigotry
Did you report the tweets?
 
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