Victims lawyer urges Celtic to set millions aside

Every response from their fans is deflection... "go and look into other teams as well, etc, etc"...

Do they not understand that the current traction is based on months and years of allegations, convictions and proof? Not just a spur of the moment thing.

And that the main allegations in general and originally were actually coming from boyhood Celtic fans themselves, not fans of other teams 'deflecting'.
 
Every response from their fans is deflection... "go and look into other teams as well, etc, etc"...

Do they not understand that the current traction is based on months and years of allegations, convictions and proof? Not just a spur of the moment thing.

And that the main allegations in general and originally were actually coming from boyhood Celtic fans themselves, not fans of other teams 'deflecting'.
They dont seem to understand that its not that a peado was at the club - that could (and has) happen to any club.

Rangers were unfortunate with Neeley, he got a job at the club and acted in a way that was wholly inappropriate/illegal. The minute rangers found out he was out the door and reported.

The absolutely black and white difference between those sick fucks at the midden and almost any other team is that they knew - and they knew they had multiple peados. They did nothing about it and allowed it to continue. They even brought back one they knew to be a pervert.

They knew, they didnt take appropriate action, they allowed other children to be abused.

They should hang their heads in shame.
 

Macdonsj

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James Doran's 180 switch here is quite something - there are 2 options here though:

1 - like you say, Mark Daly has shown him stuff so damning and undeniable that Dornan has realised he has been in the wrong and its actually grown a conscious

2 - Dornan is up to something in the background to try and save some face for him and Celtic

1 - better for a persons image to be wrong and change to correct just before the news breaks, rather than wait for it to break to backtrack
 
This is an extremely sensitive topic and one were we can only ever look like we are point scoring. Which is wrong but the bitterness between our sides and fans can only ever lead to that conclusion.

I want to see them punished, as I would if it were our club or any other club in world football but all people will see is I want Celtic punished because I am a Rangers fan.

What has went on at that football club is digusting, vile and the lowest of the low. If it is proved that Celtic Football Club had the opportunity over decades to stop this abuse, then in my opinion without any bias they should be heavily sanctioned. I am not sure what those sanctions would be, what be sufficient for harbouring child molesters and enabling them to abuse more children. Completely take away their SFA license? Demote them to the bottom division? What would be enough?

If they have been complicit in keeping abuse going and hiding it then a financial punishment is a must form courts and a substantial one at that.

I suspect, the courts will find them guilty they will pay some compensation enough to hurt their spending power and their reputation. SFA will most likely take no action against the club.
 

Div1872

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The fact the SFA and SPL forced a vote which ultimately demoted us to lowest league for financial mismanagement tells you everything

A member club has had a paedo ring in operation for over 40 years. Multiple convictions and jail sentences. No ne from CFC accepting responsibility or apologising to the many victims for these sordid events as they are still trying to protect CFCs image.

What are the SFA and SPL gong to do about it ?

They cannot escape sanctions by the governing bodies

It’s a national scandal and still no comment from Shame FC orthe SNP Govt who are never shy when protecting Treacle Teeth or CFC when they want to

Disgusting bastards
 
James Doran's 180 switch here is quite something - there are 2 options here though:

1 - like you say, Mark Daly has shown him stuff so damning and undeniable that Dornan has realised he has been in the wrong and its actually grown a conscious

2 - Dornan is up to something in the background to try and save some face for him and Celtic
Most likely to save his own face!
 
I think that’s pretty accurate. This may cost Celtic 5-10 mil in claims but anyone who thinks this is gonna put them under or have any sporting sanctions is kidding themselves. At most it might effect there transfer budget for a year
The reputational damage is HUGE!

The name of Celtic Football Club will always be associated with the biggest stigma of them all, PAEDOPHILIA!
 
Prediction on events taken from reddit:

I actually do work in the law and you seem to be asking in good faith, so I'll have a bash:

Intro

Might have more success here , would anybody with knowledge on the subject be able to fill me in on the validity of all this ‘tick tock court case is coming’ talk , what’s true and what’s bullshit and how this could affect the club ?

I'll assume you know the outlines of the Celtic Boys Club child abuse scandal: In short, a paedophile ring at a Celtic-affiliated youth club abused children for decades. Some Celtic FC staff probably knew or ought to have known that this was happening.

Personal Injuries Claims

tick tock court case is coming’ talk

Patrick McGuire, a solicitor with Thompsons, is acting for at least 20 men who allege that they were abused by staff at Celtic Boys Club.

The Scottish Parliament recently passed the Limitation (Childhood Abuse) (Scotland) Act 2017, which abolished the Scottish law of limitation for childhood abuse cases. Previously, survivors of childhood abuse had to launch their cases within 3 years of turning 18. Now, however, anybody abused after 26 September 1964 may sue for personal injury. This is important, because the "current" Celtic Boys Club scandal is essentially the same scandal as was revealed in the 1990s when Torbett was prosecuted for the first time - but this time, as attitudes towards male survivors of sexual abuse change, more survivors have had the courage to come forward. Parliament's move has also opened up - for the first time - the prospect of these men receiving just compensation for what they were subjected to.

So far as I know, legal proceedings haven't actually begun yet - even if they do, cases of childhood abuse are generally heard confidentially. Thompsons are most likely waiting until the police investigation is over. There may be other PI firms involved, like Digby Brown or Slater Gordon, but Thompsons have been the most visible.

Celtic and Survivors' Positions

Celtic's position is outlined in their infamous statement of 7th November last year:

Although Celtic Football Club is an entirely separate organisation, we have always taken these allegations extremely seriously because of our historic contacts with Celtic Boys’ Club. All investigations by the police and other inquiries were given our full support. (emphasis mine)

Generally speaking, organisations cannot be sued for the actions of other organisations. Celtic FC is - legally - correct to say that Celtic Boys Club was never part of Celtic FC. It was a private youth football club given permission to use the Celtic name and crest by Kevin Kelly.

However, Celtic Boys Club had close links with Celtic FC - they shared the Barrowfield training ground, Celtic highheidyins attended CBC functions, Celtic directors gave money to CBC directors, it was a funnel club for the Celtic first team, and - allegedly - Celtic lawyers became involved when the abuse allegations first came to light and Jock Stein removed Torbett from CBC upon hearing rumours of his crimes (although the Kellys let him back in after Stein's death). The survivors state that Celtic FC effectively controlled the Boys Club and that Celtic FC staff a) knew (or ought to have known) what was happening b) could have done something to stop it, and c) didn't do so.

Suing Celtic

The law says that companies are "jointly and severally liable" for the actions of their employees in the course of their employment. What that means is that, where an employee of a company causes injury, the injured person can sue the company, the employee, or both. So, if you get run down by a DHL van, rather than being limited to suing the driver (who won't have enough assets to cover the cost of your injuries) you can instead sue DHL (who will).

what’s true and what’s bullshit

Personally, I don't want to make sweeping proclamations before everything is tested in a court case, and most of the websites talking about this are pretty dubious-looking Rangers fansites (whose motives I don't trust). I also just don't like reading about child abuse. We know, of course, that ex-CBC staff have been convicted of various offences (if not the gory details, which are rightly kept private). We know as well that Hugh Birt testified Jock Stein removed Torbett from CBC but didn't inform the police. We also know that Kevin Kelly was in business with Torbett during the period he was abusing, but Kelly maintains he didn't know.

What the survivors need to prove, essentially, is this:-

A) They were abused at Celtic Boys Club.

B) Staff working for Celtic FC either abused them or knew it was taking place.

C) Those Celtic staff did not tell anyone -or-

D) Those Celtic staff did tell someone higher up at Celtic.

E) Having become aware that children were being abused at CBC, Celtic -or- their staff took no action (or at least took no action that was effective.)

F) If Celtic had taken action, their abuse could have been stopped.

G) Their abuse continued after Celtic staff knew it was occurring and should have taken action to stop it.

The civil standard of proof is "more likely than not".

Financial Consequences for Celtic

how this could affect the club ?

It depends, but Celtic aren't about to get liquidated over this. There is no "tick-tock".

Unlike in the United States, Scots law does not have punitive damages. In other words, damages in Scotland are designed to compensate the victim, not to punish the wrongdoer. So the big seven/eight figure damages awards you read about in American cases like this one (Sandusky's victims received over $100m) aren't going to happen. One benchmark would be the recent case of Ian Samson, a beast who abused children at a Kirk home in Edinburgh. The Kirk agreed to pay £500,000 to one girl who was made pregnant by him and £250,000 each to her siblings. However, that was a private settlement between the Kirk and the victims - courts would likely have been less generous. The family of a man who died of mesothelioma recently received £340,000. Assuming all 20 of Thompsons' clients were to be awarded £500,000 (which they won't be) and their legal fees, Celtic would be looking at a payout in the £12.5m figure. Which would hurt, but not sink it - Celtic could have paid that entire sum last year and still make a pretax profit of £4.8m.

In reality, of course, not all the victims of the CBC paedophiles will have been as horrifically abused as Mr Samson's victims were, and Celtic may well win if this is taken to court. So the actual financial effect on Celtic will be much lower and may be as little as the cost of fighting the court cases, which I would imagine would come to around £1.5m at most.

All of this, of course, assumes that Celtic aren't insured for these claims - I suspect that they are, and that their insurers are the ones who have decided not to accept liability If Celtic are insured, then the only direct cost to them will be higher premiums going forward.

What happens next?

The criminal cases against ex-CBC staff will end. Then Thompsons will raise their claims.

I predict one of two things happens then:

• Celtic admit liability and enter negotiations to compensate the survivors.

• Celtic deny liability and force Thompsons to take it to court.


Once this goes to court, Celtic will say that Thompsons' pleadings are irrelevant because Celtic was not Celtic Boys Club. Thompsons will ask for a debate on that point. Thompsons will get their debate. At the debate, Celtic will argue that the case should be tossed. Thompsons will argue that the court should fix a proof (i.e, a hearing with evidence) on the issue of Celtic's connection with CBC only. At the proof, Thompsons will present evidence that Celtic controlled Celtic Boys Club. Celtic will present evidence it did not. The court will decide one way or another. If Thompsons wins, Celtic will negotiate with them to settle the cases. If Celtic wins, the action will be dismissed.

Either way, a giant humiliating trial is the last thing either Thompsons or Celtic want.
Laughable estimatations, however the USA will be the big bucks and the lawyer has already intimated her estimates. Let's just wait and see.
 

fourbus

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"Celtic boys club had no connection with celtic fc"

Same name
same strips
first dibs on all their players
used the same training ground and stadium
results featured in the sellic view

They just cant resist telling bare faced lies no matter the facts presented to them.
The people in charge of Jersey trip, called the Celtic board first when it happened over there.
Jack McGinn had Cairneys resignation waiting for him to sign on there return
1 Kid went to Lou Macari`s office to report abuse.(Who never dialled 999)either
 

Macdonsj

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I don’t trust that wee smarmy bastard Dhornan.

He’s up to something. First he was messaging Mark Daly and now he is wanting Lawwell to make an official comment.

Something fishy going on

he's since tweeted this:

One other thing, don’t judge me by your own standards. I waited and waited to give Celtic a chance to do the right thing. Unfortunately there was no sign of it happening therefore my contact.

in reply to a Yahoo deny&deflector
 

Haining84

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When you get people such as Dornan and Magnus Lewellyn putting Celtic on the spot you know there's trouble brewing in Paradise.

Celtic's "Separate entity " stance looks as though it's coming back to bite them on the arse.

They've no one to blame but themselves.
Nice to see you've changed your stance Bill instead of accusing people of making stuff up!
 

Carson no1

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HE actually liked 2 of my tweets in the thread lol. As somebody else says I think he spoke to Mark Daly and he knows it’s game up

There must be something explosive to come out

And he has seen it

And decided

No defence

I’m going to do the right thing

Looks like they are truly fuked

Demotion to bottom tier must be the starting position here as they covered up the worlds biggest paedophilie ring in world football
 

Hank

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There must be something explosive to come out

And he has seen it

And decided

No defence

I’m going to do the right thing

Looks like they are truly fuked

Demotion to bottom tier must be the starting position here as they covered up the worlds biggest paedophilie ring in world football
It's more likely that he is just trying to manage the narrative.
 
One other thing, don’t judge me by your own standards. I waited and waited to give Celtic a chance to do the right thing. Unfortunately there was no sign of it happening therefore my contact.
# Bitchslap.

Celtic had no intention of " doing the right thing " but they've left themselves with no ground in which to work with their intransigence.

It's now getting very political - the last thing Celtic wanted.
 

jexx

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Has the dam finally burst?-Has Dornan found a conscience?-Is he just doing sleekit Lawells dirty work behind the scenes?--What a complete U-turn from a known bigot.
 

Humbug

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Dornan is a slippery individual and defo worth the watching,why the moral compass change now??

I don’t trust him one bit!!
I think he has got wind of what is coming from Daly and now wants to be seen to be on the right side as a good guy. We will never forget what a despicable little bastard he is regardless of his change of position.

However, this change of attitude can only mean they are fucked big time.
 

RFC417

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The people in charge of Jersey trip, called the Celtic board first when it happened over there.
Jack McGinn had Cairneys resignation waiting for him to sign on there return
1 Kid went to Lou Macari`s office to report abuse.(Who never dialled 999)either
Outside of the notables, Lou Macari & Liam Brady are ball deep in the cover up. I hope they can live with themselves.
 

Mexi

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A few days of crocodile tears from Dornan, then he demands a full scale inquiry into abuse at all clubs. The blame is then shared equally

Nothing surer
 
Doran is first and foremost a Republican . Even those in the ROI have been scathing about abuse by the church, he’s also a political animal who will see opportunity . Can also see him as a father being shocked by revelations from Daly perhaps?
 

so cal bear

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So given the political climate in Scotland, we as Rangers fans and indeed a club are pretty much snookered here if we press for action against the scum.

We all need to pursue this with fans of other clubs and get them to raise the issue with their own clubs, lets see of we can get the “we have to listen to our fans” mentality that we all heard in 2012.

On the face of it, its legally bending the rules to avoid paying tax vs covering up the sexual abuse of children. Its a open goal, or it should be.
 
I think he has got wind of what is coming from Daly and now wants to be seen to be on the right side as a good guy. We will never forget what a despicable little bastard he is regardless of his change of position.

However, this change of attitude can only mean they are fucked big time.

100% agree but he should never be forgiven for the attitude towards the Gray family and his other smary comments,now the game looks over its time to protect his own interests and time to look interested.

Let’s not forget other than this subject,a serial Rangers hater!!
 

adidasler

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Has the dam finally burst?-Has Dornan found a conscience?-Is he just doing sleekit Lawells dirty work behind the scenes?--What a complete U-turn from a known bigot.
I assume this has come from his bosses - They must know they cannot contain what's coming down the road.
 
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