Warsaw, how safe will our fans be?

I’ve seen the video and my mate was walking down the PRW. There were nowhere near a 100 of them or over that.

Does that look like over 100?

I was there and seen with my own eyes, that video captures the beginning and end and missed a couple of minutes worth in between there was a forward group of about 40 going toe to toe and attacking while there was a larger group further up the street following along behind
 
Right wing ideology is about the government getting out of people’s lives and the state being stripped to its bare essential functions. This is nothing at all like fascism.

“Socialism, is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.”

Who do you think said that?

It’s really not up for debate, you’re showing a wilful ignorance of Hitler and his deliberate, intentional use of the Socialist term to mislead with the intention of helping to establish policies within a Government that had all the hallmarks of a right wing fascist state being national populism, racial superiority and disregard of parliamentary democracy.

The Germans of the time were tricked by Hitlers cunning use of the Socialist term but you should know better with the benefit of hindsight and all of this being history now.
 
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It’s really not up for debate, you’re showing a wilful ignorance of Hitler and his deliberate, intentional use of the Socialist term to mislead with the intention of helping to establish policies within a Government that had all the hallmarks of a right wing fascist state being national populism and racial superiority and disregard of parliamentary democracy.

The Germans of the time were tricked by Hiters cunning use of the Socialist term but you should know better with the benefit of hindsight and all of this being history now.
I’m not ignorant of anything, his policies were left wing the government controlling the means of production.

It’s socialism but instead of the rich being the enemy it was Jews.

There was no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, group identity took priority and the state became huge.

This is literally the opposite of everything right wing ideology is.
 
Been to matches and plenty of bars in Belgrade, Rostock, Split, Dresden, Zwickau, Gdansk, Berlin, Wroclaw, Moscow in the last few seasons and all speak of Legia in dangerous terms. Went in 99 with England and was the dodgiest trip I have been on I would say, have heard of a few lads who have gone in the Ultras section at Legia uninvited and have basically been told to get out asap as they ain’t welcome. You can laugh at this whole Ultras thing but many take it very seriously and Poland is one nation that really do, you just have to look at how Slask Wroclaw went around attacking Sevilla at fixtures around Europe after they attacked their own a few seasons ago. Two huge matches these, won’t half be different to Denmark on Thursday!

Slask have been following Sevilla all over europe for a few years now trying to get revenge after Sevilla attacked them and took their banners off them.

They turned up at the super cup final in cardiff and attacked Sevilla fans and many other places abroad.
 
The tall cranes was nothing to do with it that came from tweets from Kevin Mcquire a sad old man who is a fantasist and in his 40s who hangs around with young mentally challenged ultras (most likely a nonce).

Osijek came from the city centre down PRW not from Govan

Correct, don't know why this is said everytime the Osijek incident is brought up on here. People just love to think they is some sort of mentally challenged connection to it, there wasn't. They walked up from the Broomielaw as that is where they were actually spotted before the PRW problems started.

Regarding Legia, let's be honest if they want to cause havoc next week then they will. These type of threads don't help though, lets just wait and see what happens.

Have your wits about you then you will be fine.
 
Right wing ideology is about the government getting out of people’s lives and the state being stripped to its bare essential functions. This is nothing at all like fascism.

“Socialism, is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.

"Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.”

Who do you think said that?

I would suggest going up to the Legia ultras and calling them left wing. See if they agree :)
 
I’m not ignorant of anything, his policies were left wing the government controlling the means of production.

It’s socialism but instead of the rich being the enemy it was Jews.

There was no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, group identity took priority and the state became huge.

This is literally the opposite of everything right wing ideology is.

That is utter nonsense.
 
Their lack of education isn’t my problem mate, facts don’t care about your feelings.

Fucking hell the irony in that post.
I genuinely suggest you read up as to why they included 'Socialist' in their name. Hint: It wasn't because they genuinely believed in it.

If we follow your logic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right ?
 
For whats it's worth ive Just been talking to a Polish ladd and he says they'll be lots from England going to Glasgow and he say's they'll be trouble no doubt about it he also says they'll be going after c@tic slopp houses.

If only someone was around to point them out ;)
 
They'll be trouble no doubt about it in Glasgow, probably a few flash points on wed/thursday but nothing our away support cant handle

I hope so as these hooligans are the real deal. Stone cold sober, big units and a fair few trained in some sort of fighting skill. I felt the same though about Moscow and everyone loved it with no trouble. This mob will be out looking for it I fear and they are as nasty as they come.
 
Fucking hell the irony in that post.
I genuinely suggest you read up as to why they included 'Socialist' in their name. Hint: It wasn't because they genuinely believed in it.

If we follow your logic the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy, right ?
hahahahaha how the hell is that following my logic? Literally nothing I have said is even remotely close to that.

North Korea is another far left regime, extremely similar to hitlers Germany funnily enough.

You kind of assisted my point there pal cheers.
 
Which part? Genuinely which part are you claiming is untrue? For my part I don’t believe anything I said in that post was even an opinion just general statement of fact.

I struggle to even reply to your posts frankly as you’ve created your own definition of fascism that is fundamentally wrong.
 
I hope so as these hooligans are the real deal. Stone cold sober, big units and a fair few trained in some sort of fighting skill. I felt the same though about Moscow and everyone loved it with no trouble. This mob will be out looking for it I fear and they are as nasty as they come.

Better all just stay in then.
 
I struggle to even reply to your posts frankly as you’ve created your own definition of fascism that is fundamentally wrong.
You haven’t given any reply worth debating mate you’ve more or less replied with “YoU ArE WrOnG”.

Very very very little separates fascism from communism, fascism from genuine right wing ideology is light years apart.
 
Just a wee reminder to the polish painter & decorators who think rangers fans will be push overs... i have in good authority rangers casuals are in the top 10 of having it with in europe... .. when in trouble we dont run.....
Villa.wolverhampton.man utd brugge.juventus.red star,psg barcalona ... rapid vienna will all tell you...
Not that we will look for trouble..
 
You haven’t given any reply worth debating mate you’ve more or less replied with “YoU ArE WrOnG”.

Very very very little separates fascism from communism, fascism from genuine right wing ideology is light years apart.

Literally reading the definition of fascism will take you back to some of the points you’ve stated as evidence that fascism isn’t a right wing ideology. It’s why it’s hard to reply to you as your definition is very strange and not the typical definition or the correct one for that matter. I said you were talking nonsense straight away because what you said about the Nazis owning the “means of production” was false in its entirety. Quite the opposite.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
 
I’m not ignorant of anything, his policies were left wing the government controlling the means of production.

It’s socialism but instead of the rich being the enemy it was Jews.

There was no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, group identity took priority and the state became huge.

This is literally the opposite of everything right wing ideology is.
Adolf Hitler was a Fascist. Nazi Germany was a Fascist state along with the Kingdom of Italy. The Nazis hated the Bolsheviks...

The party literally stemmed from the Freikorps who fought against Communist uprisings after WW1. The Nazi Party were far-right.
 
Literally reading the definition of fascism will take you back to some of the points you’ve stated as evidence that fascism isn’t a right wing ideology. It’s why it’s hard to reply to you as your definition is very strange and not the typical definition or the correct one for that matter. I said you were talking nonsense straight away because what you said about the Nazis owning the “means of production” was false in its entirety. Quite the opposite.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

First of all, Wikipedia? Really? That well known bastion of accuracy? Come on. Wikipedia basically describes far left ideology then throughs far right into the paragraph.

Second I never said the nazis “owned” I said they controlled the means of production which they did. Doesn’t seem like much but that one word change was very disingenuous and totally changed my point from being right to wrong.

Debate in good faith or not at all.

Once again right wing = small state, individualism and civil liberties.
Left wing = big state, major government control and suppression of civil liberties.

What sounds like fascism to you?
 
Just a wee reminder to the polish painter & decorators who think rangers fans will be push overs... i have in good authority rangers casuals are in the top 10 of having it with in europe... .. when in trouble we dont run.....
Villa.wolverhampton.man utd brugge.juventus.red star,psg barcalona ... rapid vienna will all tell you...
Not that we will look for trouble..
The ICF for their numbers are a good firm, went up against Rapid and Osijek as well as battering Wigan Goon Squad across from Central Station last season.
 
Adolf Hitler was a Fascist. Nazi Germany was a Fascist state along with the Kingdom of Italy. The Nazis hated the Bolsheviks...

The party literally stemmed from the Freikorps who fought against Communist uprisings after WW1. The Nazi Party were far-right.
The fascists and communists were both far left rivals. “Workers party”.

The similarities of antifa to the nazis is very telling, standard far left behaviour.
 
First of all, Wikipedia? Really? That well known bastion of accuracy? Come on. Wikipedia basically describes far left ideology then throughs far right into the paragraph.

Second I never said the nazis “owned” I said they controlled the means of production which they did. Doesn’t seem like much but that one word change was very disingenuous and totally changed my point from being right to wrong.

Debate in good faith or not at all.

Once again right wing = small state, individualism and civil liberties.
Left wing = big state, major government control and suppression of civil liberties.

What sounds like fascism to you?

I’m far more inclined to believe Wikipedia (and wider history for that matter) for any insight into Nazi economic or social policies and take that into account when determining what I believe is truth ahead of the likes of yourself who has already made the predictable jump to Antifa when talking about Nazis as if they are at all comparable in any capacity.

Debate in good faith? It’s impossible with someone who is creating their own definitions.

You are confusing Libertarianism with the far right on the traditional political spectrum.
 
I’m far more inclined to believe Wikipedia (and wider history for that matter) for any insight into Nazi economic or social policies and take that into account when determining what I believe is truth ahead of the likes of yourself who has already made the predictable jump to Antifa when talking about Nazis as if they are at all comparable in any capacity.

Debate in good faith? It’s impossible with someone who is creating their own definitions.

You are confusing Libertarianism with the far right on the traditional political spectrum.
Firstly I read the link you supplied and plenty even on your source spoke of the far left policies of the nazis.

Secondly compare antifa’s actions to the brown shirts pre-WW2, very very similar.

Last of all I am confusing absolutely nothing.

Let’s agree to disagree.
 
Reason I ask the question is primarily for all Rangers fans, however both my daughters (no pics) have tickets for the 1st leg . I know the Legia fans have a fierce reputation but just how safe do you reckon our fans will be.
What age are your daughters?
 
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