Was Michael Beale the real architect of 55?

We have short memories as fans, he has gained a cult like status since leaving as he likes a few twitter posts and congratulates us on insta.

He was the so called "brains" behind our absolutely turgid set up towards the end, barring the 55 season most fans wanted gerrard out, especially just before covid.

Now fight and passion is 100% never in question from gerrards coaching team and we would never lay down to celtic the way we have under gio. But beale was also part of some big failings at rangers and the start of last season showed it.

As a manager in his own right he maybe different who knows, but I id like to see fresh ideas at Ibrox
 
themightyi said:
A lot of revisionism on here about Beale.

If you want to give him the credit for winning the league and our progress in Europe, then he needs to take the fall for two league collapses in a row and a total failure in the domestic cup trophies as well.

I'm glad he's doing well at QPR but I am not convinced he would come back and we would suddenly be running away with league titles.
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He has said this himself in a few interviews I have seen . Particularly the 55 season he said we should have won the treble and it still played on his mind that we were poor in the cups.
 
I’l tell you who we miss most wee Tom. Our set pieces and defending of them have dropped from excellent to sheite.
 
I think the tims imploding under lennon, Lawwell s notice in and behind closed doors and quite a large part to play.
 
This is well publicised and doesn't seem to be in much doubt.

Feel like he is a big loss for SG.
 
Bear84 said:
They both contributed in their own ways.

My view was that Beale made virtually all of the tactical decisions before and during games and had a big influence on team selection and coaching our shape at training.

Gerrard was the figurehead - the motivator who held the gravitas for the players and got us signings that Beale alone couldn’t have. He handled the media well and played a great leading role until he effectively chucked it after Malmo.

I don’t think Gerrard or Beale would have been a success at Rangers without the other.

Others like Culshaw also played their part with set pieces etc.

I’m not too sure what Gary McAllister did.
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Totally agree with all that.
 
If Michael Beale ever becomes Rangers manager he better get serious backing or we return to the land of 1000 crosses against a 10 man defence.
Beale ball needs the right players.

And let's not kid ourselves, Gerrard absolutely was the architect of 55. Without his presence to synthesise the work of his coaching staff and the allure of working with him that brought the like of Aribo here where would we have been?

He clearly got the OF mentality as well.

We can praise Beal without downplaying SG.
 
Fbearblue said:
Beale should not be near the Rangers manager's job until he sees a minimum of three years of sustained success.
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If that happens at QPR Beale will be looking at a job in the EPL.
Probably by then he will have taken QPR there.
Forget Beale he will be out of our reach.
We have to recruit a manager that is unrecognised and full of potential and burning ambition.
Rather like Gerrard was.
 
If you’re trying to compare who is currently the better manager then you could argue Gerrard’s challenge in the EPL is tougher than Beale’s.
 
Fbearblue said:
No idea, all I’ve given is an opinion.
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The difficulty is that anybody who has had three years of sustained success at a decent level will be on the radar of clubs that can pay a lot more than us.

And three years of success at a lower level than ours means the manager would be under massive pressure as soon as a game was lost or drawn
 
RFCbrusselz said:
Saw a recent interview he did with QPR fans TV. He made a couple of interesting comments. First that he loved being the main man as the problem being number 2 was you had to "sell your ideas to the manager" and they sometimes did not get implemented. Which was a frustration. Wonder if this refers to his relationship with Gerrard here. Secondly said he didn't agree taking the players away to warm countries during the winter break as they then had to acclimatize back to wind, cold, rain and it was harder to hit the ground running after the break.
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Some cracking points their to be fair.

I think Gerrard will be gone by Christmas and his next move will be interesting as well
 
savus said:
Beginning to look like he should have had the chance to step in.

If he does a good job at QPR I can’t see him back with us.
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This.

He waited too, he still had his house up here and didn't initially go with Gerrard, he waited and spoke to the club and then shortly after was confirmed on Gerrard's staff.

I believe should have been given the chance, and now if he does a good job at QPR on his own, it's likely he goes on to bigger English jobs and circumvents us.

He'll get too big.
 
Loyal72 said:
This.

He waited too, he still had his house up here and didn't initially go with Gerrard, he waited and spoke to the club and then shortly after was confirmed on Gerrard's staff.

I believe should have been given the chance, and now if he does a good job at QPR on his own, it's likely he goes on to bigger English jobs and circumvents us.

He'll get too big.
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He waited too? Two days you mean? Let’s not rewrite history mate. Beale was offered incredible money to be Gerrard’s number two and he bolted sharpish.

I firmly believe if Beale had told the board he was willing to take the mangers role the board would have given him the chance. Beale seen a team/squad which had reached its plateau and got out when he could.

All personal opinions of course.
 
HawfHeedHartson said:
Too simplistic a view. Beale did his part for 55 but he isn't the answer.
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I beg to differ. He may be bound for PL the window for him and us could be small. If we fall out of the title race he is certainly one I would be looking for.
 
Awritenobad said:
There was plenty of moaning when he was here, let’s not forget that.

I think he’ll go on to be a very good manager - and I wish him all the best - but the inflexible ‘two number 10s’ style had plenty of critics when we failed to break teams down.

There were numerous occasions we looked flat, devoid of ideas and unfit too, particularly during our two post-Christmas collapses.

If people see him as the architect of the good things, then we can’t dismiss the failings too.
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I agree but he strikes me as a man who learns from his mistakes. He would have the benefit of near full control (Ross Wilson aside).
 
This is just my impression and based on nothing but I think Beale's input was more than just tactics.

It's pretty widely accepted Beale ran training and SG wasn't on the training pitch all that often. So, he's doing tactics, planning training, managing the sessions and with that comes man management and player development.
 
Beale was behind the majority of our outstanding tactics that season however you don’t win a league unbeaten by a coach doing his bit
 
Fbearblue said:
Beale should not be near the Rangers manager's job until he sees a minimum of three years of sustained success.
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If he does well for the next 3 years he will end up in the Premier league and we will have missed the boat.
 
Ter said:
Without doubt Beale was the brains of the operation. From what Halliday has said in his Open Goal stuff it seems that Beale would lead the coaching sessions and tactical meetings. Gerrard has said himself that he surrounded himself with people who were specialised in their roles.

Would definitely have Beale back.
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Which, in itself, was a sign of good leadership
 
I’d say we need far better than SG. Beale and Gio. We need a proper manager who will manage the whole club like Walter or Souness did.
 
Big Negri said:
I’d say we need far better than SG. Beale and Gio. We need a proper manager who will manage the whole club like Walter or Souness did.
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Modern football clubs are very hesitant to go down this route though. It can cause all manner of issues if the manager moves on or you can get in a situation where the manager can hold the club to ransom as everything goes through them.
 
DM55 said:
I beg to differ. He may be bound for PL the window for him and us could be small. If we fall out of the title race he is certainly one I would be looking for.
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Bound for the PL? He's been in charge at QPR for 13 games and has a win rate of below 50%....
 
Blue boy said:
I think the tims imploding under lennon, Lawwell s notice in and behind closed doors and quite a large part to play.
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Nah I’m not having that FFS!!! We went the season unbeaten. I’ve read some amount of pish on here lately but this is definitely one of the worst things I’ve ever read - absolute eye aids!!
 
Thor said:
Nah I’m not having that FFS!!! We went the season unbeaten. I’ve read some amount of pish on here lately but this is definitely one of the worst things I’ve ever read - absolute eye aids!!
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Whats eye aids ?
 
Gerrard, working with Beale, McAllister, and the rest of the management team at that time was the winning combination.

I would not attribute our rising trajectory over that time to any one man.

They all played an important part.
 
Young guy that works with me was at Chelsea when Beale was there.
Said that he was excellent with them and his sessions were top class.
He said that he was keen to travel and pick up knowledge very impressed with his attitude.To him he was the best coach he worked with.
Glad he is doing well at QPR, feel he might need a few seasons to prove if he can be a top class manager.
 
People remember the highs but what happened to his coaching regarding
Killie low block ? 2 points in 4 league matches v Clarkes team
Aberdeen man to man marking ? 5 points dropped, out 2 cups
Our success in Europe is down to him and SG. Its been a shitshow (generally) under GvB. Poor away from home, Ibrox keeps us competitive. We would not be so passive in UCL under Beale.
 
Gerrard was a worldwide name and more importantly a massive presence. In the years prior to his appointment, our club's reputation had taken an absolute battering. He went about working to raise standards and demanded respect from day 1. Everything was about regaining respect on and off the field. He had his flaws, but amongst the candidates available to us at the time, I feel Gerrard was almost the perfect fit. Beale may have been a huge part of his team, but denying Gerrard majority of the credit for 55 is a bit silly. He brought Beale to the club.

Michael Beale is a well respected coach. Time will tell if he is capable of being the figurehead at the front. I wouldn’t be against giving him the chance if we find ourselves in that position soon.
 
If he continues to do well you never know but not just because he has won a few games with QPR
 
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