We fail to win a third of our league games under Gerrard

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Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
 
Pardon me sir, is that the Stevie Gerrard choo choo !
Not on here, he will be driven out by abuse. Still, they wanted Lennon to stay, so at least that has pleased the baying mob.
 
SPL table 1996-97 (ex Wikipaedia)
Champions: Rangers. W 25 D 5 L 6. Win ratio 69.4%.

This season so far we have won 20 of 27 matches, which equates to a win ratio of 74%. So an improving picture statistically (difficult as that is to believe) and one which were it to continue would have seen us win 9 in a row by a greater margin than we did.

We are making progress. Unfortunately our main competitors are still better by a margin.
 
dh1963 said:
Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
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yet before todays game we were 10 points better off than last season , problem is so were the tims
 
Blueknows said:
SPL table 1996-97 (ex Wikipaedia)
Champions: Rangers. W 25 D 5 L 6. Win ratio 69.4%.

This season so far we have won 20 of 27 matches, which equates to a win ratio of 74%. So an improving picture statistically (difficult as that is to believe) and one which were it to continue would have seen us win 9 in a row by a greater margin than we did.

We are making progress. Unfortunately our main competitors are still better by a margin.
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we had a CL group stage to contend with in amongst that

and gazza behaving like an imbecile

and pressure to win 9 in a row

and we won the league cup
 
Renoranger said:
Pardon me sir, is that the Stevie Gerrard choo choo !
Not on here, he will be driven out by abuse. Still, they wanted Lennon to stay, so at least that has pleased the baying mob.
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The OP has no abuse and I also haven't said in it I want him replaced. For me though the cold hard stats tell us that if his record in these games continues we will remain miles behind and his position will become more and more under threat.
 
dh1963 said:
Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
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This is the argument I’m having with others, take Europe out of the argument and the stats point towards someone that appears to be out his depth.

His unwillingness to alter tactics and show a bit of pragmatism is alarming; teams have worked out how to play against us and Gerrard has no answer to it.

Those stats are actually a bit worse than I thought to be honest
 
dh1963 said:
Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
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That's long term sustainable growth for you, @midlandbear
 
The last line of the OP is absolutely correct. We are miles away from competing with the bheggars.

* Competing doesn't mean beating them on one or two occassions in a season.

It's February and we are 12 points behind them with them on course for 9 in a row and back to back to back to back trebles.

We are like the smaller clubs who raise their game against the bigger sides and some times manage to pull off the win. Yet we've got the cheek to moan about said clubs who do this to us.

Domestically we are a mess.
 
Yep Stevie just doesn't understand how to win week in/out in Scotland.

And not changing the formation for this long is unforgivable.
 
This is the cold hard facts/stat I'd like to see addressed. The argument usualy descends into generalisations, 'remember Pedro'. etc.

His record against a sheep team we all laugh at every other week is awful. Kilmarnock regularly strip points off us.
 
thetoptier said:
we had a CL group stage to contend with in amongst that

and gazza behaving like an imbecile

and pressure to win 9 in a row

and we won the league cup
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We’ve had a Europa League campaign to deal with, more games than the CL,

it could be argued Alfie acting like an idiot (at Fir Park and the piggery),

pressure to stop 9 in a row and

but for corrupt match officials (as well as missing a penalty and a handful of gilt edged chances) we would/should have the league cup as well.

The point I’m trying to make is that the season’s league performance thus far is at least upsides what achieved 9 in a row. It’s stating the obvious to say that performances, or rather the lack of, since returning after the break have been awful but we are better than last season to this point.

We all want the title this season and it’s awful to have messed up as we have during January and February but lets’s just stick together and look for continued improvement.
 
Blueknows said:
SPL table 1996-97 (ex Wikipaedia)
Champions: Rangers. W 25 D 5 L 6. Win ratio 69.4%.

This season so far we have won 20 of 27 matches, which equates to a win ratio of 74%. So an improving picture statistically (difficult as that is to believe) and one which were it to continue would have seen us win 9 in a row by a greater margin than we did.

We are making progress. Unfortunately our main competitors are still better by a margin.
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Could look at most seasons we won the league and it’d be a similar picture, we are in line with these points totals.

To win the league this season, if they maintain their current form, it looks like we’d need one of the highest points totals in SPL history. Let’s face it, expecting that 2 years into a rebuild of the most shambolic SPL team we’ve ever had with a rookie manager is beyond most peoples wildest expectations when he was appointed.

To win the league in the short term we needed them to go backwards.
 
spirit_of_93 said:
Could look at most seasons we won the league and it’d be a similar picture, we are in line with these points totals.

To win the league this season, if they maintain their current form, it looks like we’d need one of the highest points totals in SPL history. Let’s face it, expecting that 2 years into a rebuild of the most shambolic SPL team we’ve ever had with a rookie manager is beyond most peoples wildest expectations when he was appointed.

To win the league in the short term we needed them to go backwards.
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Absolutely agree.

It has some parallels to Liverpool and Man City last season. Any other year Liverpool’s performance would have seen them Champions but Man City were just phenomenal. Let’s hope the scum do next season what Man City have this season.
 
Does that mean we're winning 2 thirds of our games under Gerrard. What is his European record like bearing in mind we got eliminated by part timers from Luxembourg before he took over? What is his old firm record like bearing in mind Celtic got their biggest victory at Ibrox in 50years and were regularly pumping us before he took over?
 
dh1963 said:
Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
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What is celtics results in the same time period?
 
Blueknows said:
Absolutely agree.

It has some parallels to Liverpool and Man City last season. Any other year Liverpool’s performance would have seen them Champions but Man City were just phenomenal. Let’s hope the scum do next season what Man City have this season.
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Said that in 2016-17 when they domestically pumped everything and anything.
It's still happening. Wise up; their period of success is no longer something just to take for granted. It's the norm, and we need to build solid foundations to stop it being the norm. Again, I reiterate my point that this has the very potential to see us win only 1 or 2 league titles in the next 15 years.
 
since he arrived, I’d give SG a 9/10 for Europe but 4/10 for the league.

Domestically, winning the SC this season is now critical.
 
Blueknows said:
Absolutely agree.

It has some parallels to Liverpool and Man City last season. Any other year Liverpool’s performance would have seen them Champions but Man City were just phenomenal. Let’s hope the scum do next season what Man City have this season.
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We need to improve by another 10-15 points next season and see where it gets us.

Even under Advocaat we D8 L5 in his first season, D6 L2 in his second season, which cost around 70-80 million on top drawer players. He would have lost both titles on the current scum form. Gerrard is not far off marching that on a relative shoe string budget.

So getting torn right into him at this stage is frankly ridiculous, especially with a decent chance of making the last 16 in Europe.
 
The leagues away this season and a few key 1st teamers may leave in the summer leaving us to fill the void and 10iar on the horizon. Looks bleak, unless there's a huge cash injection.
 
Grimsdale said:
The leagues away this season and a few key 1st teamers may leave in the summer leaving us to fill the void and 10iar on the horizon. Looks bleak, unless there's a huge cash injection.
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If we're talking purely financial terms then the only team we shouldn't be steamrolling is the tims, and yet we're being pumped off St Johnstone. The financial argument is still prevalent and is the ultimate decider, but from what our form in the past 7 games suggests, no amount of financial investment can correct schoolboy defending.
 
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The alarming part is the games we blow from a winning position. A sure sign of woeful tactics/management.
 
If we go out of the cup next weekend he will be under huge pressure, there are huge doubts now he will ever bring success other than a good run in Europe
 
The gap was always a difficult one to bridge.
Financially we needed a break to bring in funds outside of Boardroom investment.
Without that extra finance, the gap may never have been bridged for years.

Steven Gerrard by magnificent management in Europe has almost single-handedly brought in that extra finance.
Europe has provided us with funds that most other managers would never have enabled, such was the huge task of fighting our way through European qualifiers and such has been his success in ascending this enormous cliff face, ...twice!

Certainly domestically we have lost our form and the same problem as last year seems evident.
Yes, there are results which have been disappointing and yes the manager has fallen short in the league, although he was unlucky not to have the league cup already in the trophy room.
However, we have improved, we have continued to move forward and we have strengthened all through the club.
If we weren't moving forward and getting better incrementally, then there might be a case against Steven Gerrard, but we are and there isn't, so let's enjoy what is going well and get behind the manager as he seeks to get it right, and let us give him the time and the support to do just that.
 
GummyBear said:
If we're talking purely financial terms then the only team we shouldn't be steamrolling is the tims, and yet we're being pumped off St Johnstone. The financial argument is still prevalent and is the ultimate decider, but from what our form in the past 7 games suggest, no amount of financial investment can correct schoolboy defending.
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Agree, the finances argument is a convenient shield for us to hide behind when the results dont happen but to meet it is just that - a poor excuse.

We're financially miles ahead of St Johnstone, hearts, aberdeen, killie etc, but continuously struggle against these teams with our inability to adapt.

Nothing to do with finances.
 
In overall terms we are obviously miles better than we were.

Where would we be without the European cash for example?
We are have clearly created a gap between us and the rest.

SG inherited a shambles and in the main budget wise as stated his signings have been better than average. 7M on Kent was as a few of us suggested a massive gamble but supporters can't have it both ways most wanted him at that price.

The reality is none of that matters because I would suggest he will be lucky to go into the start of next season with very probably a majority thinking he's not going to do it for us.

Of course the obvious problem is nobody know who we replace him with.

The club is on the verge of an unprecedented crisis (outside the obvious) with no easy answers.
 
What was our win rate the two seasons before that though?

Rightfully we are dissapointed at how we have thrown away the league in the last few weeks, but that dissapointment is down to us getting ourselves into such a good position quicker than should have been realistic.

Our win rate obviously needs to increase, but until theirs starts to dip a bit as well we are miles away from a league title regardless of who is in charge.
 
DylanGer said:
In overall terms we are obviously miles better than we were.

Where would we be without the European cash for example?
We are have clearly created a gap between us and the rest.

SG inherited a shambles and in the main budget wise as stated his signings have been better than average. 7M on Kent was as a few of us suggested a massive gamble but supporters can't have it both ways most wanted him at that price.

The reality is none of that matters because I would suggest he will be lucky to go into the start of next season with very probably a majority thinking he's not going to do it for us.

Of course the obvious problem is nobody know who we replace him with.

The club is on the verge of an unprecedented crisis (outside the obvious) with no easy answers.
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Europe is what fills our coffers. League might be what we all want, but no board in their right mind is getting rid of the man bringing in the European revenue that Gerrard has.
 
dh1963 said:
Since the start of last season we have won 43 league games out of 65.
So we have failed to win 22 times, almost exactly a third.

In those 22 games, only 3 were against Celtic. So we have dropped points 19 times to teams with a fraction of our budget, filled with free transfers and rejects.

Our record against the "dross" in the SPFL is shameful, and could end up costing the manager his job.

The league is what matters. And we are still miles away.
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dh1963 : we have never met other than through our posts on here but we both want a successful Rangers. However if we are using statistics alone, a 66% win ratio (give or take a few percentage points) would usually be sufficient to win us the league in all the time I have followed Rangers (although 3 points for a win has probably skewed this slightly).

We have shown in the past year we can beat Celtic. There are, however, still two major problems : the first is we still drop points to the dross of the league because the dross believe they can take points of us and we are not good enough or sufficiently mentally strong enough to dissuade them of that notion. The second problem is that the dross don’t believe they can take points off Celtic nowadays whereas in bygone days of yore, that was not always the case. I did not expect Celtic to win as many games as they have this season and remembering the posts from many members of the forum when Lennon was appointed Celtic manager at the end of last season, I was not alone.

Aberdeen in December, Hearts, Kilmarnock and now today would indicate that there is a serious problem with the players’ mindset on the park when we are in a winning position. The modern day manager can change the flow of a game by use of substitutes but it is up to the players on the park at the time to win the individual games. This is something that will never change in football.

The league this season is gone because we are not good enough to beat the dross and not because we are miles away from Celtic. We have done the hard part by recently competing with Celtic : now we need to compete with them by defeating the rest of the others.

And to confirm to all who read the above : I am not happy to accept second place and never will be because it was anathema to my generation.
 
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GF7 said:
Europe is what fills our coffers. League might be what we all want, but no board in their right mind is getting rid of the man bringing in the European revenue that Gerrard has.
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The Board though are going to start feeling the fan pressure....that will change the dynamic. Since SG arrived they've done their best to support him however in the wider sense they blew valuable time and resource before that-that's whats putting SG under severe pressure now-their continued success-any progress without stopping them is no progress to a lot of our support.

The Board also playing to the gallery since Warburton onwards will now have ran out of time using that crap.....severe pressure is coming and unless this team does something remarkable it will cause something to break.
 
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