Weird little scenario in our Europa League group

[Barker96]

Being doing a bit of research and have come across a potential scenario that could occur in our Europa League group - if both games on match day 5 end in a draw, the team in 2nd place (us) will have qualified for the next round before the team in 1st place (Young Boys) who would still have work to do in the last match to guarantee qualification.

Anyone ever noticed anything like this happening before? Must be about one in a hundred chance.

 

[helicopter-sunday]

Good spot.

This is because of the head to head, right?

 

[Barker96]

Good spot.

This is because of the head to head, right?

Yeah mate we'd win the head to heads vs Feyenoord or Porto if one of them ended on the same points total as us, while Young Boys could still go out to head to head against Porto.

 

[Haining84]

Mental but a very good spot.Think I’ll put a double on for both games to be draws.

9.4/1 is the odds on both being draws on match day 5.

 

[Reginald-Molehusband]

Am I right in thinking that we'd all be on 8 points if Feyenoord and Porto win the next games and both games end in a draw on the last day?

And that we'd be out in that scenario too?

 

[GF1]

I would take a draw right now. Ideally the other game is a draw and we are through with a game to spare. Leaves us a home game to top the group

 

[Barker96]

Am I right in thinking that we'd all be on 8 points if Feyenoord and Porto win the next games and both games end in a draw on the last day?

And that we'd be out in that scenario too?

Wouldn't it go down to GD between the 4 teams in that scenario?

 

[BluebellsPuertoDelCarmen]

Is this actually correct? Seems nuts.

 

[Reginald-Molehusband]

Wouldn't it go down to GD between the 4 teams in that scenario?

Yeah, having thought about it that makes sense.

 

[Talktalk]

And if we we in Holland all yer hard worked out the scenarios will have been time you will never get back.

 

[Woodrow Call]

Wire in chaps.

Me? All I'm thinking about is winning league games and stopping 9. The EL and league cup final don't matter a jot. Keep our eye on the prize and that's the league.

 

[Deek]

And if we we in Holland all yer hard worked out the scenarios will have been time you will never get back.

A win doesn’t guarantee qualification

 

[Jjbscotty]

A win doesn’t guarantee qualification

It does mate.

 

[Talktalk]

A win doesn’t guarantee qualification

Why is that ?

 

[Deek]

It does mate.

There’s a scenario where we go out in a 3 way head to head but it’s too late to be explaining it again tonight

 

[Reginald-Molehusband]

There’s a scenario where we go out in a 3 way head to head but it’s too late to be explaining it again tonight

There's really not.

 

[Deek]

Morelos Sitting out Feyernood?

No, no and no again. Play the best team for this game, deal with the consequences of that after the game. It was stupid playing v Ayr United and risking a semi final. It;s not stupid against Feynoord when a victory means we are in the next round.

www.followfollow.com

 

[BlueShmoo]

If we all draw match day 5 then no matter what happens on match day 6, us beaten and Feyenoord or Porto win we have better head to head against the pair of them so would be through.

I sat down for 20 mins and went through about 30 different outcomes that I could see and it's all 50/50 apart from the all draw match day 5

 

[Jjbscotty]

There’s a scenario where we go out in a 3 way head to head but it’s too late to be explaining it again tonight

We beat Feyenoord we are through it’s that simple as we will have a better h2h with Porto.

 

[Deek]

We beat Feyenoord we are through it’s that simple as we will have a better h2h with Porto.

Read the thread I posted above mate, page 3 I think

 

[Barker96]

There's really not.

There is mate. We'd win a 2 way head to head vs either Feyenoord or Porto, but we could still lose a 3 way head to head vs Porto & YB.

 

[Sonny]

There’s a scenario where we go out in a 3 way head to head but it’s too late to be explaining it again tonight

you sure mate?

 

[Sonny]

There is mate. We'd win a 2 way head to head vs either Feyenoord or Porto, but we could still lose a 3 way head to head vs Porto & YB.

baffled

 

[Barker96]

baffled

If we win in Feyenoord but lose at home to YB, while Porto win both their remaining matches all 3 teams would be level on points.

In that case the 3 way head to head comes into effect.

We'd have taken 4 points from both of those teams, YB would have taken 6, and Porto 7, meaning we are eliminated.

 

[Jjbscotty]

Read the thread I posted above mate, page 3 I think

That’s a bastard didn’t realise that. Confident we will beat young boys at Ibrox though.

 

[HelloMyNameIsMrBurns]

Read the thread I posted above mate, page 3 I think

Get used to this for the next couple of weeks at least

 

[Amadaeus]

We should never have lost to YB's Tav's brain fart x 2

 

[buffalosoldier]

Wire in chaps.

Me? All I'm thinking about is winning league games and stopping 9. The EL and league cup final don't matter a jot. Keep our eye on the prize and that's the league.

Away to your bed ffs

 

[Maweepaljoe]

And if we we in Holland all yer hard worked out the scenarios will have been time you will never get back.

If we we we in Holland our bed will be wet.

 

[Linz81]

We would be in a 'false' 2nd place though. Only 2nd because of our 1 game head to head when we hadn't completed the 2nd game

 

[Talktalk]

If we we we in Holland our bed will be wet.

Not if the wee boy puts his finger in your dyke it won’t

 

[Maweepaljoe]

Not if the wee boy puts his finger in your dyke it won’t

Predictive text causes havoc m8

 

[Cambuslang Bear]

Wire in chaps.

Me? All I'm thinking about is winning league games and stopping 9. The EL and league cup final don't matter a jot. Keep our eye on the prize and that's the league.

Of course they matter, but you are correct when you say the league is priority. I feel the Europa League is a bonus. For me the most important game in December will be the League Cup Final because if we win that then it lays down a massive marker for the rest of the season

 

[Coza]

Of course they matter, but you are correct when you say the league is priority. I feel the Europa League is a bonus. For me the most important game in December will be the League Cup Final because if we win that then it lays down a massive marker for the rest of the season

Winning breeds confidence. Topping our group would be huge for the remainder of the season.

 

[crookie_bear]

If we win in Feyenoord but lose at home to YB, while Porto win both their remaining matches all 3 teams would be level on points.

In that case the 3 way head to head comes into effect.

We'd have taken 4 points from both of those teams, YB would have taken 6, and Porto 7, meaning we are eliminated.

Phuck

 

[Cambuslang Bear]

Winning breeds confidence. Topping our group would be huge for the remainder of the season.

I totally agree. If we win then that is fantastic. But the league is our bread and butter. In my opinion we HAVE to win the league this year. The League Cup Final against the vermin is also a must win game as that puts us in a great position going into the second half of the season. I would love an extended run in Europe, but not at the expense of winning (or a chance) of winning the league

 

[Tamson]

If we win in Feyenoord but lose at home to YB, while Porto win both their remaining matches all 3 teams would be level on points.

In that case the 3 way head to head comes into effect.

We'd have taken 4 points from both of those teams, YB would have taken 6, and Porto 7, meaning we are eliminated.

In any scenario we finish level on points with Porto we would eliminate them on head to head surely?

 

[Rangers500]

In any scenario we finish level on points with Porto we would eliminate them on head to head surely?

If we have a better h2h against Porto, Porto have a better h2h with YB and YB have a better h2h against us then it’s not that straight forward

 

[Göteborg-Rangers]

In any scenario we finish level on points with Porto we would eliminate them on head to head surely?

If we both finished top on level points yes.

But if all three teams, us, Porto and Young Boys, finish on the same points (10) then it goes to a mini league head to head.

We would then be eliminated as it's points accumulated and we only have four v Porto. Young Boys would have 6 v us and Porto 7 in total.

 

[Bigbluebear]

Porto win on matchday 5 then we need to take a draw at least in both matchday 5 and 6 to qualify. This would see us through on at least 9 points with either YBs or Porto, depending on the Porto v Feyenoord score.

If Porto do not win in matchday 5, then a draw against Feyenoord is enough to qualify. This confirms both us and YBs qualify.

 

[Broxibear1873]

Wire in chaps.

Me? All I'm thinking about is winning league games and stopping 9. The EL and league cup final don't matter a jot. Keep our eye on the prize and that's the league.

The league cup is massive for us tbh. Puts a trophy in the cabinet and takes a huge monkey off our back which puts us in an even better position especially mentally to push on and win the league

 

[RangersEasyOK]

Wire in chaps.

Me? All I'm thinking about is winning league games and stopping 9. The EL and league cup final don't matter a jot. Keep our eye on the prize and that's the league.

Mentalist

 

[Mr Bear]

Just love all the mental angst this post is causing - I’d hate to be in your hooses on Xmas eve, wondering what’s under the tree..... looks like a scalectrix, but might be a dartboard, but worse still, it might be one of those shite compendium games

 

[Mackania]

If we win on match day six we top the group regardless, right?

 

[Big Blue Bear]

Its just phenomenal how far we've came. Getting put out by the Luxembourg mob to winning against Porto n Feyenoord etc

 

[Bigbluebear]

If we win on match day six we top the group regardless, right?

No. We could then be on 9 points whilst Porto could be on 10.

Matchday 5 results are crucial.

 

[Mackania]

No. We could then be on 9 points whilst Porto could be on 10.

Matchday 5 results are crucial.

We would be on at least ten points. Only Feyenoord could pip us on the head to head I think? Maybe it's dependent on the score of the game too.

 

[Bigbluebear]

We would be on at least ten points. Only Feyenoord could pip us on the head to head I think? Maybe it's dependent on the score of the game too.

Sorry you are right. Thinking we are on 6 just now.

If it was 2-1 to us then it would be down to GD, If YBs had beaten Porto. I think if we got a better score than 2-1 then we win H2H.

 

[Realger34]

If we have a better h2h against Porto, Porto have a better h2h with YB and YB have a better h2h against us then it’s not that straight forward

My brain hurts!

 

[Mview83]

In any scenario we finish level on points with Porto we would eliminate them on head to head surely?

No - as the post you’ve quoted shows you