Well done Kilmarnock

Commentator

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It's pretty simple. Two things, really.

1.) An employee of Rangers has been victim of a crime. It is wholly inappropriate to comment on matters relating to live police investigations, as it can be seen to be attempting to influence the outcome of any investigation and/or trial.

2.) Words are more powerful after convictions are made. Why do you think victim statements only come after trials? Or why the last statement we made was after the last conviction? We had a HUGE debacle in the media for the 12 year old kid case as they felt they were able to deny the racism as there was no proof. Commenting after the proof is enshrined in case law, gives no opportunity for retort.
1. Please quote my call for a comment on anything to do with the investigation.
2. Morelos is being attacked now, every game, he needs explicit support now.
 

Grigo Yossarian

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It amazes me the difference in tone from BBC Scotland to the UK BBC. Their sports journalists are far more fair and unbiased, even when they have obvious allegiances.
Exactly Moiphy. They are professionals & guided by professionals from the top.

They believe in the historical ethos with which BBC got their reputation mate.

Up here ?:mad:
 

Southside_shug

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I'm apparently one of the stupid.
Please explain how a live police incident prevents the club publicly calling for a meeting of the governing bodies to counter the growing evidence of racism against our players in particular.
Ease your pain, elucidate.

Any investigation is therefore sub judice

"under judicial consideration and therefore prohibited from public discussion elsewhere. "
 

1914-18

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What?? Isn't there a video showing the incident?
Is there a video, my apologies, I thought it was just a Kilmarnock fan sending out a tweet, she said she didn't know who done it but would have called them out!

Just watching Sky sports the now and its saying the police isnt investigating as there has been no complaint made!
 

Mexi

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Isn't it weird how the calls from certain political parties for strict liability have dies down now a Rangers player is on the receiving end

This is why the club must make official complaints every time it happens
 

Commentator

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Any investigation is therefore sub judice

"under judicial consideration and therefore prohibited from public discussion elsewhere. "
Yes, the police investigation is sub-judice but not others, and I repeat, I have not asked for another specific investigation into the specific incident with Alfie but racism in general.
Any investigation by the football authority into how it counters the general growth of racism at its events is sub-judice because of one specific case?
Are Kilmarnock not allowed to do anything to drive out racism?
 

RenfrewBear72

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Caught on live tele, caught by other Killie fans, cause it's Alfredo though it's "alleged".
Wish every corrupted journo in this country nothing but ill.
 

Masonic Penny

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Sky Sports saying Police Scotland have not received a complaint so they are not investigating.
So it appears Kilmarnock FC are investigating.
I was down the front of the Chadwick Stand. Any time there was a goal or contentious decision multiple police and stewards ran from the corner and stood facing us.
Meanwhile in the other poorly attended stands persons were ‘allegedly’ shouting racial abuse.
 

a_weir

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1. Please quote my call for a comment on anything to do with the investigation.
2. Morelos is being attacked now, every game, he needs explicit support now.
1.) ANY mention of the word 'Racism' from Rangers in any context could be deemed to potentially influence investigations. We are a Scottish and British institution, there will be Rangers fans at Police Scotland.
2.) Morelos needs support? How do you know that Morelos is not getting support? What you really mean is 'I want a statement' and your point has nothing to do with support for Morelos - the club will be vehemently supporting him, as they should do.

Regardless, you're nitpicking for the sake of it. You know I'm right.
 

AyrBear

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Caught on live tele, caught by other Killie fans, cause it's Alfredo though it's "alleged".
Wish every corrupted journo in this country nothing but ill.
Legally it has to be called alleged. They could catch a gunman shooting someone and have evidence of it happening but until there is a conviction then it has to be reported as alleged.

Very similar to a certain politician who will be in court shortly.

Now we know the media spin it when it is our fans but that's just their hatred for all things Rangers and they are technically breaking the law by not using the word alleged.
 

ID10

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Sky Sports saying Police Scotland have not received a complaint so they are not investigating.
So it appears Kilmarnock FC are investigating.
I was down the front of the Chadwick Stand. Any time there was a goal or contentious decision multiple police and stewards ran from the corner and stood facing us.
Meanwhile in the other poorly attended stands persons were ‘allegedly’ shouting racial abuse.
Sky sports are, as usual, miles behind everyone
 

Commentator

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1.) ANY mention of the word 'Racism' from Rangers in any context could be deemed to potentially influence investigations. We are a Scottish and British institution, there will be Rangers fans at Police Scotland.
2.) Morelos needs support? How do you know that Morelos is not getting support? What you really mean is 'I want a statement' and your point has nothing to do with support for Morelos - the club will be vehemently supporting him, as they should do.

Regardless, you're nitpicking for the sake of it. You know I'm right.
1. It's a criminal investigation, into whether the suspect committed the offence or not and to build a case for potential prosecution. What constitutes racism at that time is not under investigation either by the polis or the authorities if they looked at their response processes. Our call would not influence the criminal case, it's a matter of laws.
2. Morelos needs public support, too. The public need to know that Alfie is not alone in this and that the club will do everything it can, not just what it feels comfortable with, to support their staff. The prevailing zeitgeist (apologies, couldn't come up with anything better) is that Morelos is a wrong 'un, brings it all on himself and deserves everything he gets.
3. I'm 'nitpicking' to counter the lazy arguments on here endorsing the status quo.
 
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RenfrewBear72

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Legally it has to be called alleged. They could catch a gunman shooting someone and have evidence of it happening but until there is a conviction then it has to be reported as alleged.

Very similar to a certain politician who will be in court shortly.

Now we know the media spin it when it is our fans but that's just their hatred for all things Rangers and they are technically breaking the law by not using the word alleged.
Again, a replied already to someone else, they are still c*nts.
 

Wilkinsvolley

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Mate, I cannot fathom just how stupid people can be to not get this. It pains me.
I think it’s just desperation to have a go at Rangers more than anything. There’s not a thread on here nowadays but people are blaming something on Rangers.
 

GazzaG

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Definitely.

But I think it is significant in all honesty, coming from a Kilmarnock fan who heard it first hand is really significant in my opinion.

It should have been reported that way mate.
We had the Aberdeen fan earlier in the season reported by his own too.

Then we have the filth who seem to think Morelos should be racially abused and will attempt to cover for those who abuse him.

A club like no other indeed.
 

Godrup99

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ALLEGED, becoming one of the most used words in Scottish football, where rangers are concerned.
If its goingdown a police route with pending investigation/prosecution, it must be worded as alleged or it would be classed and prejudicial against the case, probably letting the perpetrator walk free.
 

GazzaG

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If its goingdown a police route with pending investigation/prosecution, it must be worded as alleged or it would be classed and prejudicial against the case, probably letting the perpetrator walk free.
I genuinely can't believe anyone still needs that explained to them.
 

Jase

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It’s a sad reflection on the way we exist these days for us to be praising a club for doing what any right headed people should do.

I know Alfie won’t be the only player receiving racial abuse in Scotland but he is high profile and authorities should be citing him as a prime example of what is wrong in society. Shouting ‘black basturt’ at him is the tip of the iceberg really. For a start nobody else gets refereed the way he does. Compare his booking for diving the other night with dicker’s free pass. Compare it with the tramp johnson’s effort a couple of games back. Compare it with the druggie‘s at Hamilton? No bookings.

He gets kicked to Fcuk most games without any protection but if he so much as farts in the wrong direction or has the audacity to celebrate a goal he’s in the book.

Alfie can be a tit at times but nothing merits the hassle he gets which I believe is just a more subtle form of racism.
 
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