What’s happening to our country

Rangers are now deemed fair game in Nicola Sturgeon's Scotland.

I could name 10 SNP MPs/MSPs off the top of my head that support Celtic.

I don't know one that supports Rangers.

The SNP MPs David Linden and Gavin Newlands were/are allegedly Rangers fans.

I'm sure I saw that David Linden had "Rangers fan" in his twitter bio recently, but it's not there anymore.
 
Since I started following Rangers as a kid in the late 90s I learned very quickly that there was a deep hatred from other clubs towards us however, this seemed to be kept to stadiums and pub chat amongst rival fans with a bit of banter.

This season in particular with the clear media bias and the general feeling that Rangers as a club and us as supporters are easy game for anyone that wants to take a pop. We’ve even heard people justifying racism against Morelos with claims that he brings it on himself... in a country that claims to be the most inclusive with in our island!

Then I read the other day about “loyalist supporters” that are planning to protest against an IRA march... surely right minded people don’t want murder being glorified on our streets??
In the same article it puts the OO and the organisers of the march in the same bracket as “sectarian organisations”
How can an organisation that is Christian based and have no history of its members in scotland being involved in sectarian offences when on parade be openly likened to thugs who are marching for the Real IRA (that murdered a young journalist within the last year btw) without anyone in the media actually saying well wait a minute, these are two completely different types of organisations...

Since the SNP got into power and began their decisive agenda, this country has got more bitter every year. I dread to think what kind of country my son is going to grow up in as a Unionist Rangers supporter?

There seems no stopping it as well... the worse they perform on important issues, the more power they seem to get!?!

SNP & Papes
 
most of the english boys i work with expect me to be an snp supporter (dont know why)but are taken aback in my venom against the wee jimmy and her pals and its all to do piss the english off to get rid
I said years ago the SNP would piss the English off. If they can't get independence one way then another is to make Scotland toxic to the English. They don't care how they get independence.

Just look how toxic Scotland has became to Rangers fans who are perceived to be Unionists. Treated like parasites.
 
to follow on most of the boys i work with think its shit that we get free prescriptions and no university fees am i right in saying that we the same as england get a budget and its up to us how we spend it,ie,free prescriptions cut other services,pay prescriptions keep services,am going to look a twat if it isnt but i,m going to use the same point
 
Our apathy has played a big part in this.

Sure we can blame the government/19th Century Terrorists but it’s our own inability to put up any sort of response which is the main contributing factor in all the shite our club faces.

The OP was on a thread the other day justifying half the stadium deserting the team at 75 minutes and here he is all shocked and confused as to why people continually take free shots at our club.

Our apathy is widespread and that is our biggest threat.
 
Since I started following Rangers as a kid in the late 90s I learned very quickly that there was a deep hatred from other clubs towards us however, this seemed to be kept to stadiums and pub chat amongst rival fans with a bit of banter.

This season in particular with the clear media bias and the general feeling that Rangers as a club and us as supporters are easy game for anyone that wants to take a pop. We’ve even heard people justifying racism against Morelos with claims that he brings it on himself... in a country that claims to be the most inclusive with in our island!

Then I read the other day about “loyalist supporters” that are planning to protest against an IRA march... surely right minded people don’t want murder being glorified on our streets??
In the same article it puts the OO and the organisers of the march in the same bracket as “sectarian organisations”
How can an organisation that is Christian based and have no history of its members in scotland being involved in sectarian offences when on parade be openly likened to thugs who are marching for the Real IRA (that murdered a young journalist within the last year btw) without anyone in the media actually saying well wait a minute, these are two completely different types of organisations...

Since the SNP got into power and began their decisive agenda, this country has got more bitter every year. I dread to think what kind of country my son is going to grow up in as a Unionist Rangers supporter?

There seems no stopping it as well... the worse they perform on important issues, the more power they seem to get!?!


Republicanism in all shapes and forms in all aspects of daily life in scotialand is what is happening.
 
Until we get a proper PR going and start defending ourselves it’s not going to improve, all this ‘dignified silence’ stuff was ok in a bygone era when respect was more common across all walks of life but they want to destroy our club and our way of life and we sit there and let them chip away at it.
 
I love being a supporter of the most hated team in the land. It's because we're the most successful.

England has Man United.
Spain has Real Madrid.
Italy has Juventus.
Germany has Bayern Munich.
Scotland has Rangers.

It's f.ucking great being a Rangers supporter.

We are the people. Let the diddy teams come after us. We welcome the chase.
I get your point but, I think the hatred we’re being exposed to goes beyond what other envied clubs experience.
The disdain for us goes way beyond football.
It’s religious, sectarian if you prefer, political and cultural.
Does any other club suffer the above?
 
Hatred and jealousy has taken over it is near impossible to have a rational discussion on anything, it’s alarming what has happened to Scotland under SNP rule.
 
We MUST win the league this year or things are only going to get worse. I think if we do there will be a change as theres no longer the pressure cooker for the potential 10
 
Donald Dewar fucked the Scottish labour movement and let the lunatics get keys to the asylum. If ever a statue needs melted down it is that one, the fact we are now relying on Boris Johnson to slap them down - which it looks like he is repeatedly going to do thankfully tells you how the whole game is a bogey.
 
We are currently going through a race to the bottom with the Nationalists and republicans joining hands in an attempt to destroy our way of life and return us to Catholic rule.

As stupid as this may sound, Rangers winning the league will play a part in putting them all back in their box. Our weakness on and off the park over the past decade has allowed them to infiltrate and control all aspects of society.
 
I'd like to see Devolution revoked after Brexit goes through. It's been a disaster. Hopeless in Northern Ireland, non-descript in Wales and as for Scotland it's a prime example of complete incompetance at all levels.

Multiple people who are proven to be unsuitable. Two examples of many - a onetime leader up in court on a long list of sexual harassment charges...a now justice minister who was stopped in a car by police, whilst transport minister, with no insurance and not surprisingly allowed to go without disciplinary action.

Devolution, because of cronyism and sheer incompetence has proven a failure. Time it was revoked and what is merely a gravy-train stopped in its tracks.

The treatment of an historical institution such as Rangers during this period demonstrates how stark a failure devolution has been allowed to become. A macrocosmic example of directed hate.
Devolution is an unmitigated disaster for the UK. One of Blair's worst legacies.
 
I'd like to see Devolution revoked after Brexit goes through. It's been a disaster. Hopeless in Northern Ireland, non-descript in Wales and as for Scotland it's a prime example of complete incompetance at all levels.

Multiple people who are proven to be unsuitable. Two examples of many - a onetime leader up in court on a long list of sexual harassment charges...a now justice minister who was stopped in a car by police, whilst transport minister, with no insurance and not surprisingly allowed to go without disciplinary action.

Devolution, because of cronyism and sheer incompetence has proven a failure. Time it was revoked and what is merely a gravy-train stopped in its tracks.

The treatment of an historical institution such as Rangers during this period demonstrates how stark a failure devolution has been allowed to become. A macrocosmic example of directed hate.

Devolution was the worst thing ever to happen to Scotland. All of a sudden we had two-bit jumped-up local politicians who would never have cut it at Westminster, able to call themselves MPs (or MSPs) with everything that entails. Nothing has changed since 1999 in that respect.
 
People over here ask me all the time if I miss Scotland. They assume its all friendly people and rolling hills. I soon put them right to the point they probably wish they didn't ask. All I miss are the gers and family. I hate what the SNP have done to Scotland.
I could have written these exact same words myself.
 
what all three have done to this great country will take years to overcome...
republicans
hollicom
nationalists
We can only dilute their poison through the political system , the majority of this great country need a courageous leader in opposition .
 
I have a 'friend' from childhood that is a massive Rangers fan, had a season ticket for about 35 years and goes to at least half of away games. But he's also a massive SNP supporter, hates the English and thinks Dave King is a 'crook'! I gave up trying to talk to him during the time Green was here. I still see him posting shite on Facebook. I despair.
 
Various examples whether its SNP MP's or MSP's in bed with scum like Sinn Fein members, losing of the effigies trial evidence, SNP's, failure to condemn the attack of employees from constituency of FM being attacked on a pitch at the 2016 SCF, John Mason and has various abuse towards the OO and his shameful comments re the 3 Scottish Soldiers I could go on.

Then the recent AUOB march with all the offensive banners and then the b@stards sink to a new low and allow that Cairde scumbag mob walk right at the front of the march. An organisation who support Sinn Fein/IRA.

An utter disgrace.

We could easily say it's the ethnic cleansing of the PUL community without actually killing anyone.
 
a don't get why so many people in Scotland think there the best nicest people ever its a myth its bullshit yet I think many in this country genuinely believe it

This myth does my head in as well.

There is this idea put out there that the Scots are the friendliest, most welcoming and inclusive people in the world. This is total nonsense. No one does petty anger and jealousy quite like the Scots and any success is frowned upon unless you are seen as some leftist wee man battling against the establishment.

Just look at the TV comedy programs that are Scotland is most famous for. Rab C Nesbitt, Chewin the Fat and Still Game. All three have their moments of genius, but all three have their characters and elements that depict the bitter, angry, twisted Scotsman displaying aggression and jealous anger, and these characters are usually the most popular. What does that tell you?
 
The Indyref was in 2014 and the EU ref was part of Cameron’s 2015 manifesto and the vote happened in 2016.

I can’t really remember if there was chat of it at the time - however im pretty sure it wasn’t in place before the Indyref.
No, that wasnt decided until after the indyref. It was the result up here that gave him the confidence to go for the eu ref to try and silence ukip
 
There are two main issues politically :

1. The Tories still put some people off due to the 'toxic brand'. Despite it being mostly bullshit. What Thatcher did was speed up existing processes and speed up others to reduce time frame of economic shift. More miners lost their jobs under Labour pre 1979.
2. Labour mistook a loss of mental capacity for a 'shift to the left'. The voters they lost had been lost to nationalism and not to socialism. Corbyn was never going to win them back.

The Nats have appealed to every disenfranchised group in Scotland : 19th Century Terrorists, unemployed, bedroom sad sacks with WiFi, cat ladies, student trust fund anarchists etc. They're not going to be won back by facts, figures or reality. A tough job lies ahead.
 
Rangers are now deemed fair game in Nicola Sturgeon's Scotland.

I could name 10 SNP MPs/MSPs off the top of my head that support Celtic.

I don't know one that supports Rangers.

I use the word 19th Century Terrorist not in a derogatory way, but in a Political sense. The writing was on the wall, round the millennium, where you could have put up a dod of s*** in a Red rosette and they would have got them a seat. The young Labour 19th Century Terrorist brigade came along and has taken over the Natsis. Why as their in the minority, because, “We the Majority are too Bloody Lazy to take them on”
 
I'm 32 and I can't remember it being so bad. There is a blatant campaign from the top to pulverise anything relating to our kind. Thing is I wouldn't say I was a bitter person but have now become so because of the narrative against people like me. Hate this nationalist Republican BS that seems to be accepted as norm these days.
 
Like it or not (I really do) Rangers is the last bastion of the Union in Scotland. Why would a nationalist be a friend of such an institution? The only thing that upsets me is the FACT that some of our own support actually vote for the demise of our club. Make no mistake that’s what it is. How much we hate the team from park head is mirrored by how much the snp hate Rangers. We are everything they don’t like. Our community sitting back and letting it happen has led to what’s wrong with Scotland
correct m8 if it was not for the Rangers and us the fans those fukers would have gotten independence we are the bastion of unionism in scotland thats why we got /get no help
 
correct m8 if it was not for the Rangers and us the fans those fukers would have gotten independence we are the bastion of unionism in scotland thats why we got /get no help

Correct and that's one of, if not the biggest reason why the hatred for us has soared through, beyond and up to the roof since 2014. We stand as a pillar for the Union, strong and true and they hate that fact. We need to keep standing firm and standing strong and true for what we believe in, what is at the core of what makes us what we are and we must never bow or apologise for it.

If this country ever becomes Independent then I will leave it, never to set foot in it again apart from to attend Rangers games, but we as a community have a duty to make sure that this never, EVER happens.
 
We are guilty (and I include myself in this) of sleepwalking into the situation we're in.

Our (I know not everyone is religiously minded but it's a cultural thing) Presbyterian outlook prevents us from being the selfish, vindictive, easily led, always offended never embarassed type that the church of Rome cult produces.

Throw in the once, mainly Protestant minded, rightish, SNP turning into a Scottiish Sinn Fein lite who prostitute themsleves to attract the 'kafflik vote' and you can see where we are going.

With regards to our football team and support the natzi cult are setting the narrative in the media, basically Rangers = bad, everyone else = good, especially the repugnant, child abusing cockroaches from the East End of Glasgow.

Imagine anywhere in the world having a child abuse enquiry and not including sports institutions or Churches. That is beyond sinister.

I have said before I'm nearing the 'end of my career' in life and have never felt so depressed about being a British Scot. The country I was so proud of growing up has gone thanks to the influence of Rome and a so called political party who are determind to turn Scotland into a cult run, freedom of thought and choice denied banana republic.

God bless the Queen, the Union and Rangers.

WATP
 
Things completely changed in this country when Republicans/Church of Rome effectively hijacked the SNP when they saw another route to destroy Britain. The old guard in the SNP were so desperate to gain independence that instead of turfing them out- they have disgracefully embraced them.
Anyone who thinks the hatred shown to Rangers is just the jealousy of other clubs fans because we are the biggest and most successful club ( Ala Man Utd ) could not be more wrong.
Right now, there is still enough sensible people in this country to realise we are far better as a nation being part of the UK...................but this majority is being slowly whittled away by the propaganda war that is raging all around and through the mhedia and is now also being assisted and advised upon by darker forces in Northern Ireland. There was a reason why at the last referendum that the SNP insisted on 16 year old's being able to vote- they are looking to win the hearts and minds of our young people with the brigadoon nonsense - and being assisted through schools and left leaning teachers in key subjects such as history and modern & media studies.
For those of us that care about being proud Scots and British, we all have a duty to speak to our kids, grandkids, nephews and nieces and let them know why we should never let this country be divided by people who are nothing more than hate filled bigots who despise everything about this great country.
Apathy and just giving up should no longer be an option if we want to preserve Great Britain.
 
Since I started following Rangers as a kid in the late 90s I learned very quickly that there was a deep hatred from other clubs towards us however, this seemed to be kept to stadiums and pub chat amongst rival fans with a bit of banter.

This season in particular with the clear media bias and the general feeling that Rangers as a club and us as supporters are easy game for anyone that wants to take a pop. We’ve even heard people justifying racism against Morelos with claims that he brings it on himself... in a country that claims to be the most inclusive with in our island!

Then I read the other day about “loyalist supporters” that are planning to protest against an IRA march... surely right minded people don’t want murder being glorified on our streets??
In the same article it puts the OO and the organisers of the march in the same bracket as “sectarian organisations”
How can an organisation that is Christian based and have no history of its members in scotland being involved in sectarian offences when on parade be openly likened to thugs who are marching for the Real IRA (that murdered a young journalist within the last year btw) without anyone in the media actually saying well wait a minute, these are two completely different types of organisations...

Since the SNP got into power and began their decisive agenda, this country has got more bitter every year. I dread to think what kind of country my son is going to grow up in as a Unionist Rangers supporter?

There seems no stopping it as well... the worse they perform on important issues, the more power they seem to get!?!
Everything you wrote could be summed up in the events of the last few weeks.Boyd rightly calls out the mhedia silence regarding the antics of the thumb the other night,and the whole holicom machine swings into attack mode,with the filth even making a formal complaint to sky,resulting in boyd having to "clarify"his statement.Compare that to the outrageous and racist attack on morelos by leckie which would have been an open goal to a decent legal team,but the response?Still waiting.That's the difference.
 
Several times in the last couple of years I met new folk at work and get on fine with them. Then they find out I'm a Rangers supporter and eventually tell me that I'm not like other Rangers supporters. The Rangers supporters they know are arseholes, shaven headed knuckle scrapers. I tell them I'm exactly like every Bear I know, that everyone in my part of Ibrox is perfectly normal.

I ask who are these arsehole Rangers supporters they have met. There is no answer. Indeed, they fail to comprehend that our office has many bears, albeit not ST holders. But their perception is maintained because the media tells them this is how it is. They just decide I'm an exception. I can think of no other reason. These are not fhilth fans btw. Indeed, the bheggars I know seem to understand us better than other folk who have little interest in football.

In fairness, when I moved to the east coast many years ago I became much more vocal in my support of Rangers, purely because I found there was less bitterness here than in the west, so it was easier to wear my colours on my sleeve. However, I now find that bitterness is worse than ever and usually from fans of smaller clubs

Your problem is that its in the WORKPLACE. There arent many of them in there so nobody sees these cretins drom the east. They are in the local off sales or lloyds collecting their meds.
 
It's became a cesspit run by papish apologists and SNP/Sein Fein have managed to gain control by unionists apathy unfortunately.
 
You perhaps have a point, this is an echo chamber, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the UK has become oblivious to the toxic manipulations of the SNP, indeed it is actually the opposite.
People down in England are quickly becoming pissed off with Scotland, and what they perceive to be the non-stop whining Scots.
In my time in England, Scots have gone from being the darling much-loved cousins of most English people to the annoying bstrds next door.
Perhaps this is a device being used by the SNP to piss the English off, but believe me, it is working.
And some!
Probably doing the same as sinn Fein as trying to f##k up N.ireland & hopeing they say you can have your UI as too much hassle us having N.Ireand ,. SNP is a mini version of sinn Fein
 
I'd like to see Devolution revoked after Brexit goes through. It's been a disaster. Hopeless in Northern Ireland, non-descript in Wales and as for Scotland it's a prime example of complete incompetance at all levels.

Multiple people who are proven to be unsuitable. Two examples of many - a onetime leader up in court on a long list of sexual harassment charges...a now justice minister who was stopped in a car by police, whilst transport minister, with no insurance and not surprisingly allowed to go without disciplinary action.

Devolution, because of cronyism and sheer incompetence has proven a failure. Time it was revoked and what is merely a gravy-train stopped in its tracks.

The treatment of an historical institution such as Rangers during this period demonstrates how stark a failure devolution has been allowed to become. A macrocosmic example of directed hate.
It's a pension fund for failed councillors.
 
Basically this country is fcuked, I just watched a video of two officers stop a van for driving with no insurance for the driver to attack the male officer with a machete only then what do the courts sentence him for 16 years but didn't tell the jury he had two previous convictions for machete attacks plus one of rape.
I only wished I had went to school and got the grades maybe I could have went the route my older brothers did now one lives in New Zealand while the other travels the world as an engineer that way I would have options to get out of the cess pit
 
I think Scotland is more bitter and divided than it has ever been in my lifetime, and quite possibly since the days of the Jacobite Uprisings (now there's a shock!).

Rangers were always hated by the other clubs but it was mostly banter, counter chants and the like, and you could actually stand on a terracing next to a supporter of Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell etc and we each gave as good as we got. Now with the internet we are the arch enemy of all of them. They see us as cheats and bigots and God knows what else. You can hang effigies of Rangers supporters from stands and it's "banter" (I liken it to the KKK in the Deep South but there you go). You can be as racist as you like towards the best player in the country, purely because he plays for Rangers, and the football authorities and Police won't bat an eyelid, because it's Rangers and it's to be expected. And an SNP MP can post he won't represent anyone who is pro-Union and against higher taxes and it's considered reasonable.

I used to have good mates who were Celtic supporters but now I avoid them as much as I can as they are beyond intolerable, and the same goes for so many supporters of other clubs. There's a government in Scotland that is deeply anti-English and all things British and so many of the electorate seem to find this acceptable.

I despair of what Scotland has become. I've been living in England on and off since 1991 and permanently since 2002 but had always intended moving back home at some point. But the Scotland of 2020 does not feel like the country I grew up in in the 60s/70s/80s and 90s and I can't see me ever wanting to live there again sadly.
 
I think Scotland is more bitter and divided than it has ever been in my lifetime, and quite possibly since the days of the Jacobite Uprisings (now there's a shock!).

Rangers were always hated by the other clubs but it was mostly banter, counter chants and the like, and you could actually stand on a terracing next to a supporter of Hearts, Hibs, Motherwell etc and we each gave as good as we got. Now with the internet we are the arch enemy of all of them. They see us as cheats and bigots and God knows what else. You can hang effigies of Rangers supporters from stands and it's "banter" (I liken it to the KKK in the Deep South but there you go). You can be as racist as you like towards the best player in the country, purely because he plays for Rangers, and the football authorities and Police won't bat an eyelid, because it's Rangers and it's to be expected. And an SNP MP can post he won't represent anyone who is pro-Union and against higher taxes and it's considered reasonable.

I used to have good mates who were Celtic supporters but now I avoid them as much as I can as they are beyond intolerable, and the same goes for so many supporters of other clubs. There's a government in Scotland that is deeply anti-English and all things British and so many of the electorate seem to find this acceptable.

I despair of what Scotland has become. I've been living in England on and off since 1991 and permanently since 2002 but had always intended moving back home at some point. But the Scotland of 2020 does not feel like the country I grew up in in the 60s/70s/80s and 90s and I can't see me ever wanting to live there again sadly.
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Moved to England in 75 I was 8 years old......Now I'm near retirement age always wanted to move back to Scotland but unfortunately I can never see this happening......A real shame as I love playing golf, dog walking and mountain biking....
 
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