What will it take for the fans to change their mind on Clement?

What will it take to save Clements job at Rangers?

  • The ship already sailed and we need change of management team regardless

    Votes: 165 20.3%

  • Finishing second, respectable results / at least one victory against the opposition

    Votes: 54 6.7%

  • Finishing second, perhaps bringing back points tally, victories against that lot and a trophy

    Votes: 593 73.0%
  • Total voters
    812
CortesGoldenBoots said:
The board wouldn't be allowed to do that even if they were willing to, FFP doesn't allow that kind of thing.
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So many of our fanbase don't get the FFP thing at all . THAT is the major reason they want change . They assume someone will be appointed to the board / takeover and give the new manager a fortune .

Sooner people wake up to the reality of FFP in Scotland , the better
 
I voted for the second option but really what I want to see is the core of a title challenging side emerging in the second half of the season. If we can win a meaningful game against them, that will do a lot for him. I don't see the sense of making one game make or break because games can turn on very little and sometimes those things can be outwith a manager's control. Especially in our tinpot football set-up.

At the end of the day this season is lin of unique, because the summer not only involved trying tio build something, it also involved unpicking a mess that pre-existed the manager's arrival. If anyone was in any doubt about how much that compromised things, the horrific figures from today's AGM should have put those thoughts to bed.

I think committing to sorting the footballing side of the club properly is the best thing the board have done for ages, and I'm hopeful that they're going to be good to their word and back the manager to see it through. Given what he's being willing to take on, I'd say that's the least they can do for him.
 
Lovenkrands_26 said:
So many of our fanbase don't get the FFP thing at all . THAT is the major reason they want change . They assume someone will be appointed to the board / takeover and give the new manager a fortune .

Sooner people wake up to the reality of FFP in Scotland , the better
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It's another part of the toxic Murray legacy - whenever Rangers were threatened, we bought our way out of success and it kind of became ingrained in the psyche of the support.
 
thomsonstackle said:
How many people are going to keep bringing up Fergie at Man Utd? It’s the extreme exception, not the norm.

Clement has bought himself time until the new year period after the last couple of results but he’ll be on borrowed time again if he can’t lay a finger on celtic.
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I've given up even engaging with anyone who thinks there's the slightest relevance to what one manager out of hundreds did nearly 40 years ago.
That way lies insanity.
 
ecossebear said:
But I get it you don’t like Clement and have already made your mind up! Out of curiosity were you one of the ones calling for McInnes a few weeks ago? Or just one of the fans with their heads in the cloud who thinks we can sign a world class manager?
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I wasnt calling for Mcinnes. That would be the worst case scario. Anyone who was is a maniac.

You touched on how Europe gives us money, I agree but is the last thing that matters out of the league and the cups.
You touched on how I glossed over us winning the LC? What more is there to say? We won a trophy. Excellent.
We are undergoing a "rebuild/downsizing year" dont really agree with this, we got rid in the summer, we signed players we are maybe what 2/3 worse off than last year? if anything its a rebuild that has been ongoing for more than a year now and has failed miserably.
You dont really care about not beating Celtic yet. Thats your own opinion but if a rangers manager cannot beat celtic in 6 attempts, something isnt right and thats fact.
 
A fair element of our support jumps from extreme highs to extreme lows on the basis of what happens in a match… so yes there will be a part of the support who see a trophy or a strong run and decide they want the manager to stay.

I think he absolutely needs to beat Celtic to stand a chance of staying in role.. ideally next weekend.
If he doesn’t win either the Cup Final or New Year match then I can’t see Clement seeing out the season.

I’m not passionate about him going, I don’t have the dislike that many seem to… I just don’t think he is able to turn this around.
 
If last night is delivered consistently then he keeps his job.

For me, the bare minimum is giving us something we can get behind. Kilmarnock was the first real glimpse of hope for me, I had written him off. I couldn't see him changing but now that he finally has, there may be hope for his Rangers career.
 
My biggest issue with Clement is his seeming inability to mitigate our weaknesses with good coaching. He wasn't responsible for the usual suspects collapsing last year and Butland turning into Ally Maxwell against Celtic but he is responsible for not getting the way our league works

If we had the money to get players in to the level he wants I'm sure he'd win us titles.

He did get rid of Goldson and had Sterling and Kasanwirjo been fit I'm sure Tavernier would now be a squad player so he deserves credit for that.

The league has been gone since September but if he wins a cup or two and gives them a bruising it will point to him getting there.

Celtic are coddled to the extent Soviet Bloc favourites were and live in absolute terror of us being competent.

We saw what happened last season when it looked like we might challenge. Any sustained threat will make them implode.

Does he understand that?

If he does he could change my mind.
 
Firstly, win the cup.

Beat them in the New Year game.

The from there just go on a run of wins and performances to gain momentum and see where we end up.

If we revert to the turgid football we've seen most of the season and take a pumping off Celtic then I'm afraid it's curtains from the fans (although I think he'll see out the season).
 
Improved football it’s been awoeful watch for too long, at least one trophy preferably 3 (we can dream) beating them and being competitive within the games

4-4-2 formation
 
The one option missing was for some on here there is just a rabid desire to have annual misery - so sack him and move forward to our next annual manager.

There is no doubt that a massive clear out and wage reduction was needed. Post that point a rebuild that was focused on younger players. Injuries continued to play a part and we seem to be seeing more availability now which helps. One or two adds in January will be useful and could see us build something.

I thank the lord that this forum is not really representative of the support, it can be a large a vessel for the aggrieved with a sprinkling of rattlers egging them on. I like what he's trying, I like the fact at the AGM we have some "ideas" to improve things. Clement is not a bad manager and he could do way better than us, but he's here, he's bought in and in spite of facing shit, he's going nowhere.
 
SDF said:
He needs to beat them in 10 days time. No ifs or buts. Beat them and it goes a long way to regaining credibility

Lose that and it's six games without a win against them. Unchartered territory for an OF manager never mind Rangers.

You're asking an awful lot of the support to stay on board after that.

Last night was more than welcome but anyone changing their mind after one home win against 3rd bottom of the league would be off their head.
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Alex McLeish went seven without winning against them and recovered to win the league on Helicopter Sunday. It’s very unusual but it could be done if it was coupled with progress overall particularly in the Europa League
 
Fans are fickle. We beat them next Sunday, or go on a run that involves beating them in January then he wins back a lot of good will.

If he beats them next Sunday and in January then he's won the support back.

Rightly or wrongly its about being able to beat them at the end of the day.
 
He needs three months like the last week.

Maybe we'll get it. Too many failures so far but the past week has probably earned him a stay of execution to the new year. Lots and lots and lots more needed.
 
Winning the next three games would certainly buy him time. A return to crap form would see his job in jeopardy again but that's the nature of the job. These three games would certainly give him the January window to see how things go.
 
Jake Blues said:
We don’t accept 2nd best
That’s what clement is and seems content with being.
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I agree we should not accept second best that said given where we are which is at the moment third best I believe much of the problem is that if we dont get to be best at once then we call for replacement and we then dont allow a manager to give us what our club demands. We cant keep the revolving door policy with managers. Because it has not helped us improve back to where we should be at least challenging for top spot. If we keep doing the same thing we will keep getting the same thing.
 
Jake Blues said:
We don’t accept 2nd best
That’s what clement is and seems content with being.
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We’ve been second best more often than not for quarter of a century now.

6 titles since we lifted the league in 2000.

Won’t be a popular comment but it’s the truth.

It’s going to take more than a manager change to swing things back into our favour. Sacking the manager every season will just continue this cycle, the new guy will get hunted out the door this time next year just like clement if he’s sacked like Beale and Gio beforehand.

Club needs investment, continual European success and the touted player trading model to bring in big sums so we can successfully compete with that lot.

Otherwise we are going to be stuck in second best for a good while yet.
 
Defeating the filth starting with a week on Sunday followed by the league game. Win the league cup and Scottish cup and start producing performances like we’ve seen in Nice & v Killie on a regular basis and against the stronger teams.
There has to be a win at all costs mentality drilled into the squad - it should be a prerequisite in any Rangers player.
 
Finishing second is failure. But if he can at least show that he can beat Celtic (hopefully starting on the 15th) and leave Aberdeen trailing behind us, get the gap to Celtic somewhat respectable and the football on offer improves then he has a shot.
The fact it's such a long list of demands shows how bad he's done thus far.
 
He needs this season, as painful as it is. I don't expect people to be rational about it.

The club has been mismanaged, hindsight is 20/20 but it's difficult
To point to things which have gone well.

He's inherited a team of crocks and overpaid players past their best.
He's started fixing it, clearing out the mess and bringing in raw, younger players.
We need to do that to compete long term with our biggest rivals, it needs to be fixed, we can't buy our way there with investors pouring in money, it's not allowed.
We'd all like to win every game whilst we transform the team, but it's not been happening.
Months into the season we're seeing some hopeful signs.
The games coming up against them are the biggest yardstick of the progress of this team, and the management team.

His press conferences have been confusing but ultimately he can't come out and say "I've inherited a lot of dead wood we're struggling to move on and the young guys will take time to adapt to Scottish football and the fans are going to have to suck it up for months whilst we deal with this." Every game we're falling short or the players ship a stupid goal.

Might there have been a better candidate out there? Probably i think, but given the lack of management at higher levels in the club he's not done a terrible job on the whole.
 
Win games and the noise will dissapear. He has been dealt a shit hand by a board who probably promised him money to spend then cut the legs off him.
 
Having 2 options out of 3 of finishing second, and somehow that means some will change their minds on Clement, is a damning indictment of where our standards now are sadly

And that’s not a pop at at the OP at all
 
He 100% has to beat them starting next weekend. Then again on the 2nd of January.

On paper in a year and a bit if he has two league cups, two European qualifications and had beaten them then as much as it’s made your eyes bleed at time it’s not a bad first year and a bit. Probably better than Gerrards in terms of results.

However he has to beat them. No exceptions and then we can reassess things.
 
I’d keep P C as manager as I think he’s not far off at least getting on the right road. It was never going to be a quick fix.
 
He got cheated out of his first win against them and the Scottish Cup.

He's been cheated a number of times ala plugs handball against them.

The tide will turn for him at someopoint but he needs to believe in what he wants to achieve. Finishing 2nd fiddle is not an option here.
 
Jan Wyck said:
Not really. If things go well in the next ten days that is not a panacea for all our ills. As I said in my post there is still also a small matter of an NY OF game that is always iconic. The January transfer market has to be positive and throw in at least a seeded Europa place.
My post sought to answer the OP's question. Last 16/QF in Europe, the League Cup remaining in the trophy cabinet, Scums lead down to single digits after a Ne'erday win at Ibrox and a squad seemingly strengthened would give Clement much breathing space and the support a boost. As I said all if's and buts, ones that we would all welcome.
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Well, nine days from now will give us an inkling as to how this pie-in-the-sky thread is going to turn out and more importantly is there anything tangible to take from Wednesday's one-off?

This time last week most of us were saying we had to take confidence from Nice. We were rewarded with the usual fare on the Sunday.

So let's see how we react this Sunday as that will be the calm before the storm.
 
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Newton Bear said:
Alex McLeish went seven without winning against them and recovered to win the league on Helicopter Sunday. It’s very unusual but it could be done if it was coupled with progress overall particularly in the Europa League
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Alex McLeish beat them in his first game and remained unbeaten for six.

He also had a double and a treble in the bank as credit when he went seven games without winning later on. Clement has nothing of the sort to fall back on.

No Old Firm manager in my lifetime has failed to win any of their first six games against the other. It's never happened.

Murty is the only manager we've had who made it five and won none of them.
 
YorkshireBlue said:
The players are backing him. We should too.

Our issues are at boardroom level.

No decent manager will touch us right now and any talk of McInnes is laughable.
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I thought the togetherness of the squad was very evident the other night. They all looked totally committed to one another and the team.

I know one summer does not a swallow make (or is it the other way around), but the impression I got was that they were right behind the manager, Tav included.

All we ask is for that level of commitment every game.

If they give us that, then we’ll have something to build on.
 
The short term target- he must give the scum a bloody nose. On the day we may not win given the disparity in resources but we have to compete ( and I think we can). Another game like the 3-0 at the Glitterdome and he won't be able to come back from that.

Finishing 2nd is already hard medicine (I don't think the sheep will go the distance) but to let them coast to another treble without laying a glove on them is unpalatable. Season of transition or not we cannot afford (financially as well as mentally) to be humiliated by the scum.

To achieve this we need performances like Kilmarnock on a regular basis and there needs to be a significant uptick in our performances away from home. 3 goals scored in 6 games is utterly abysmal
 
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