Would you self police in stands?

Yes by all means have a quiet word in the guys ear but anyone going and grassing on fellow bears can get to f**k as far as I'm concerned.
 
I wouldn't go to a steward, but I'd hope the majority would do the same as myself and either boo it out or tell them to shut the f*CK up.

How could you sit in silence while you hear TBB being sung, KNOWING it will get us removed from European competition. I love Rangers too much to not say something. I just hope I'm in the majority with this idea.
 
Roger Daltrey said:
I remember when we first got into bother with uefa, some game at hampden and 10-15 late teens early 20s guys starting TBB, a 50ish skinny speccy guy standing up and shouting them down. Nobody else saying backing him up but he got them to stop.
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Well at least Chris McLaughlin has done something for us over the years.
 
BillyBoys said:
Not that it is even remotely comparable but no I wouldn't. I'd tell him to shut the f**k up but wouldnt go running to the OB or a steward to point him out.
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it is exactly the same in UEFAs eyes - that's the point.

if you don't think someone that shouted that at a black player needs banned from our club then their is no helping you.
 
BillyBoys said:
Not that it is even remotely comparable but no I wouldn't. I'd tell him to shut the f**k up but wouldnt go running to the OB or a steward to point him out.
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I'm trying to imagine the logistics of grassing up a guy who is sitting next to you. Up out your seat, shimmying along your row offering folk apologies and thanks as you go, bimbling down the stairs to locate the nearest steward, pointing back up at the offender who can clearly see you pointing at him, back up the stairs, shimmying back along the row offering more thanks and apologies, then taking your seat again next to the guy you've just grassed in.
 
I've got no qualms about putting someone right if they are going over the score. Understandably not everyone is in a position to do So, especially guys who travel with young kids.
 
Corporal Clegg said:
I'm trying to imagine the logistics of grassing up a guy who is sitting next to you. Up out your seat, shimmying along your row offering folk apologies and thanks as you go, bimbling down the stairs to locate the nearest steward, pointing back up at the offender who can clearly see you pointing at him, back up the stairs, shimmying back along the row offering more thanks and apologies, then taking your seat again next to the guy you've just grassed in.
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I think those who are likely to report offenders will be taking seat numbers and doing it at half time or after the game.
 
Hammy said:
I remember this was the attitude of the Celtic fans after a wee boy was hit in the face with a bottle before an Old Firm game at Hampden and it was heavily criticised on here.
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Slightly different from singing a song to smashing a bottle over someone’s head.
 
It's up to the club to police the fans. It should be made plain to the support that they are bring filmed and if caught singing offensive songs then their season ticket will be taken away from them, permanently. Also, can we please stop fans from entering Ibrox when they are clearly off their nut through drink or drugs? How difficult can that be?
 
What we sing today means %^*& all folk on here need to get a grip. Can tone it down for Europe or when FARE are attending but no way should we be allowing these gimps to effect how we support our team.

Anyone trying to self police will just end up with a sore face. Thankfully most of the handwringers on here won't be attending any away games.
 
StirlingGer said:
What we sing today means %^*& all folk on here need to get a grip. Can tone it down for Europe or when FARE are attending but no way should we be allowing these gimps to effect how we support our team.

Anyone trying to self police will just end up with a sore face. Thankfully most of the handwringers on here won't be attending any away games.
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You are an idiot if you believe that. There is nothing more that needs to be said.
 
Our local icehockey team, which attracts 10k plus at roughly 35 home games per season, has a long history of "self-policing". That actually means that the "standing area" of the hardcore chaps is stewarded first and foremost by about 80odd selected fans wearing jackets and having low-key steward jobs. They act first if people go out of line, be that being too drunk, hurling too much abuse at their fellow fans or looking for trouble. They mediate and try to talk sense from "fan to fan" ... or indeed call in the "real" stewards or indeed the police.

These fan stewards come from the same hardcore groups or fanbase, are accepted as long standing fans and people putting the well being of the club first. They are in close communication with the club`s supporters liaison guy as well as the security company. It sure took them a few years to work properly, but now they do.

Nothing about grassing people or the like, just Eisbären-fans looking after their own ... and their club.

BTW, a selected band of them actually escort and watch the away supporters too ... an accepted practise in Germany. Then again, the visiting teams hardly have more than 50 to 200 guys with them.
 
StirlingGer said:
What we sing today means %^*& all folk on here need to get a grip. Can tone it down for Europe or when FARE are attending but no way should we be allowing these gimps to effect how we support our team.

Anyone trying to self police will just end up with a sore face. Thankfully most of the handwringers on here won't be attending any away games.
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Taking a risk with 50k people not to add on the 'words' is lunacy of the highest order.
 
StirlingGer said:
What we sing today means %^*& all folk on here need to get a grip. Can tone it down for Europe or when FARE are attending but no way should we be allowing these gimps to effect how we support our team.

Anyone trying to self police will just end up with a sore face. Thankfully most of the handwringers on here won't be attending any away games.
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Check out Mr super stuanch over here.
 
squaddie-bear said:
it is exactly the same in UEFAs eyes - that's the point.

if you don't think someone that shouted that at a black player needs banned from our club then their is no helping you.
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If you think I in anyway condone racist comments you have thought wrong, I've had many an argument with mates of mine when they have said something stupid.

What I said I stand by, I would not run up to a copper and point out a bear for anything. I'd tell him to shut the f**k up instead of being a wee sh!tebag and run to the nearest police officer.
 
ecossebear said:
If the choice was grass on my own fans or have Rangers thrown out of Europe I know what I would rather. I wouldn’t think twice.
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Sorry but you don’t grass your own supporters in that’s pathetic. Especially turning on them. The stewards/police are there to do that job.
 
I don't want to get into a fight with anyone, ever about anything, but I’d ask someone to pipe down if it pissed me off. Just the same as I’d ask anyone anywhere else to behave more appropriately.

If I'm threatened with violence AND feel unsafe, I’d make it known to a steward who I’d expect to have procedures to follow.

I wouldn't flag it to a steward if it was add-on singing. I’d expect enough stewards to be present anyway to stop me having to self police.
 
You don't grass on your own people

Hammy said:
I remember this was the attitude of the Celtic fans after a wee boy was hit in the face with a bottle before an Old Firm game at Hampden and it was heavily criticised on here.
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This was also the attitude of Celtic officials when employees were abusing little kids!!! As a previous poster said, anyone deliberately hurting the club is not one of our own.
 
When I go to the cinema or the theatre I don’t do the ushers job for them.

When I’m out for a meal I don’t go into the kitchen and carry my own dinner through.

So no when I’m at the football something we sometimes forget is a leisure and entertainment past time that we pay good money for, I will not be doing a stewards job and taking my eyes from the pitch to talk / argue with other fans who could be drunk and not particularly like my interference.
 
HCMC_Loyal said:
You don't grass on your own people



This was also the attitude of Celtic officials when employees were abusing little kids!!! As a previous poster said, anyone deliberately hurting the club is not one of our own.
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You really think words in a song are comparable to abusing kids, have a word with yourself.
 
Even after the bad publicity and fine this week some folk still don’t get it!
Self policing is ensuring you don’t join in and sing the add ons, self policing isn’t going to the police or stewards.
We have plenty of song to sing and as we heard today, we don’t need to sing about 19th Century Terrorists.
As for “will you sit there when the scum fans are aiming Orange Bastards or Huns” no we’ll drown them out as usual ffs, their songs don’t hurt me 1 iota especially when we beat them
 
I think a lot of people are misinterpreting what I meant when I started this thread. Going to stewards/police isn’t self-policing. It’s literally the opposite. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand. Rather, by self-policing I meant telling one of our own around us to zip it when they sing something or try to start a. chant that could cost us
 
BlueLagoonCo said:
If you think getting someone nicked and potentially losing his job and freedom over a game of football is ok then that's your perogative
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That person
1) shouldnt be singing the song on orders of UEFA and RFC
2) and if continued could result in expulsion from the tournament, costing the club millions.

If you're ok with that, then thats your perogative. Said person only has themselves to blame if they get arrested and lose their job. all because they had to sing a song they've been told not to.
 
JimmyGQ said:
I think a lot of people are misinterpreting what I meant when I started this thread. Going to stewards/police isn’t self-policing. It’s literally the opposite. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand. Rather, by self-policing I meant telling one of our own around us to zip it when they sing something or try to start a. chant that could cost us
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It’s the same all the time on here especially with threads like this.
Folk don’t want to do anything but moan like feck when something happens to us.
 
SmileyBear said:
You really think words in a song are comparable to abusing kids, have a word with yourself.
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No, of course I don't think a word in a song is comparable to child abuse. I was linking the covering up of child abuse to the 'we don't grass on our own' attitude of those associated with Celtic; which the quoted previous poster had discussed when he said:
"I remember this was the attitude of the Celtic fans after a wee boy was hit in the face with a bottle before an Old Firm game at Hampden and it was heavily criticised on here."

Unfortunately, however, some on here have a similar "you don't grass on your own" mindset when it comes to helping Rangers enforce a zero tolerance approach to sectarianism. I don't believe that is the right attitude to have. The fact is, anyone singing banned songs or using sectarian language inside Ibrox is hurting the club's reputation, finances and opportunities to compete at a higher level. These people are not true supporters of the club and therefore do not deserve to receive protection from genuine supporters. Should they be on the receiving end of "self policing" by having everyone around them telling them to STFU with the sectarian shit? Definitely!
 
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HCMC_Loyal said:
No, of course I don't think a word in a song is comparable to child abuse. I was linking the covering up of child abuse to the 'we don't grass on our own' attitude of those associated with Celtic; which the quoted previous poster had discussed when he said:
"I remember this was the attitude of the Celtic fans after a wee boy was hit in the face with a bottle before an Old Firm game at Hampden and it was heavily criticised on here."

Unfortunately, however, some on here have a similar "you don't grass on your own" mindset when it comes to helping Rangers enforce a zero tolerance approach to sectarianism. I don't believe that is the right attitude to have. The fact is, anyone singing banned songs or using sectarian language inside Ibrox is hurting the club's reputation, finances and opportunities to compete at a higher level. These people are not true supporters of the club and therefore do not deserve to receive protection from genuine supporters. Should they be on the receiving end of "self policing" by having everyone around them telling them to STFU with the sectarian shit? Definitely!
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It's not even comparable how you tried to link the two together I will never work out.
 
HCMC_Loyal said:
No, of course I don't think a word in a song is comparable to child abuse. I was linking the covering up of child abuse to the 'we don't grass on our own' attitude of those associated with Celtic; which the quoted previous poster had discussed when he said:
"I remember this was the attitude of the Celtic fans after a wee boy was hit in the face with a bottle before an Old Firm game at Hampden and it was heavily criticised on here."

Unfortunately, however, some on here have a similar "you don't grass on your own" mindset when it comes to helping Rangers enforce a zero tolerance approach to sectarianism. I don't believe that is the right attitude to have. The fact is, anyone singing banned songs or using sectarian language inside Ibrox is hurting the club's reputation, finances and opportunities to compete at a higher level. These people are not true supporters of the club and therefore do not deserve to receive protection from genuine supporters. Should they be on the receiving end of "self policing" by having everyone around them telling them to STFU with the sectarian shit? Definitely!
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They’ll not be a genuine fan in the stadium we’ve all shouted something before
 
It Is Old But Beautiful said:
You don’t grass your own fans, that’s shitebag behaviour. I’ve heard some amount of dribble at games but I don’t go and report it.
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What do you do with that one family member who doesn’t care and constantly breaks the house rules to the point the whole family faces eviction from the house? - do you tell him he is no longer welcome in the house? or do you accept the consequences, say nothing and start packing your belongings in anticipation of being evicted through no fault of your own?
 
Self policing is basically being a grass, it's like being back in the primary school playground when you always heard the "I'm telling on you" kids grassing up the other kids.

Yes we should stop singing the naughty songs but the permanently offended will always find something to be offended about, it's like living in a George Orwell movie being in the UK today.
 
[QUOTE="SmileyBear, post: 4216004, member: 1512"]It's not even comparable how you tried to link the two together I will never work out.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say it was f*cking comparable!!!
 
Nope.

Why should anyone risk their own safety espcially if they're with their kids? You want to confront some guy who is blootered who could very well start a fight with you?

Even if it doesn't end up in a fight and only an argument the police will most likely end up chucking you both out. You're trying to do the right thing and end up in the street.
 
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