Medical department lack of investment

[sneddon38]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

 

[The Mentalist]

Do you mean staff or equipment?

 

[Rangerstillidie]

The fear always was that we’d managed to get a top notch team with Gerrard fairly cheaply due to people wanting to work for Gerrard. When he left and took them all with him I kinda half expected this is the kind of thing we’d see. You get what you pay for and we’ve probably went for the cheap option on every front since we won 55.

 

[GF1872]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

What injuries haven’t been diagnosed correctly out of interest?

 

[Blueper]

The fear always was that we’d managed to get a top notch team with Gerrard fairly cheaply due to people wanting to work for Gerrard. When he left and took them all with him I kinda half expected this is the kind of thing we’d see. You get what you pay for and we’ve probably went for the cheap option on every front since we won 55.

100% agree with this, see the scouting and recruitment department for more examples. There has been a serious downgrade in support staff since Gerrard left, with some simply not being replaced at all.

 

[Batigol]

We did sign some sort of deal with a data analysis firm specifically about fitness and injuries I can only assume we've crashed every statistical model that they've got

 

[insanicdrunk]

Would the doctor not only be the first contact and players sent to specialists?

 

[ChildOfGoth]

It could be a Q for the AGM ask the DoF Operations for statistics and numbers and about the budget and roles .

Of course it is a complex subject but if they are saying we are world class then they should have data and numbers to come back with and either say it is a combo of xyz or even rule out certain parts of the operation .

A good one to quiz them on imo

 

[Bulletproof]

You do wonder the about the skillset of the medical department when the likes of Jordan Rossiter managed to string consecutive games together the minute he left us.

 

[sneddon38]

What injuries haven’t been diagnosed correctly out of interest?

There’s plenty of players out there who don’t get diagnosed properly. Players either get rushed too quickly then break down again. Having a good doctor endures that doesn’t happen. Listened to Steven Reid on talksport and he raved about David Favre at Blackburn and said he literally diagnosed his injuries that got him back playing again.

 

[sneddon38]

Would the doctor not only be the first contact and players sent to specialists?

Club doctors look after players on a day to day basis.

 

[sneddon38]

Do you mean staff or equipment?

Staff.

 

[lovenkrands72]

There’s plenty of players out there who don’t get diagnosed properly. Players either get rushed too quickly then break down again. Having a good doctor endures that doesn’t happen. Listened to Steven Reid on talksport and he raved about David Favre at Blackburn and said he literally diagnosed his injuries that got him back playing again.

How do you know our players aren't being diagnosed correctly? Seems a bit unfair on the guy being promoted to assume it's his fault with no evidence. For all we know he could be a brilliant doctor, but it doesn't matter how good he is if we have a squad littered with injury prone players.

 

[sneddon38]

How do you know our players aren't being diagnosed correctly? Seems a bit unfair on the guy being promoted to assume it's his fault with no evidence. For all we know he could be a brilliant doctor, but it doesn't matter how good he is if we have a squad littered with injury prone players.

I’m being generic though Hellander and Roofe was meant to be back but keep breaking down again. It’s an area that needs invested in. Mark Waller was a top doc and losing him was a huge blow.

 

[insanicdrunk]

Club doctors look after players on a day to day basis.

Im sure they do, is he going diagnose and treat muscular injuries on his own or would a specialist not have an input to that?

Im not saying you are wrong, or right, but do you have knowledge of their medical role? Ive always thought of them as GP level that will deal with minor things, but not specialist stuff. I know years ago we used to have an orthopaedic surgeon in the stand on match days as my surgeon stood in for him at times.

 

[Craigie]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

Any examples?

 

[johnto]

What medical department?!?!!?!

 

[The Duck]

We did sign some sort of deal with a data analysis firm specifically about fitness and injuries I can only assume we've crashed every statistical model that they've got

Yes part owner by serial hater Roger Mitchell

 

[sneddon38]

Any examples?

A simple google search will show you that plenty players get miss diagnosed. Not having a top doc is a hinderance. It’s bonkers that we’ve not adequately replaced Mark Waller.

 

[bkerr72]

I’m being generic though Hellander and Roofe was meant to be back but keep breaking down again. It’s an area that needs invested in. Mark Waller was a top doc and losing him was a huge blow.

Helander was back he done pre-season and ended up with a setback from the injury that he picked up at St Mirren.

 

[forlanssister]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

The conditioning of our players this season along with both the amount of and length of recovery times should be a massive cause for concern

How can they go from being one of the fittest squads in Europe to blowing out arses after 60 minutes in the space of 6 months?

 

[Kinghornloyal]

So the B team Doctor isn't fully qualified and cannot step up to be 1st team Doctor. Is there other qualifications he would need ti be as good as the Doctor that left

 

[Bribrox]

100% agree with this, see the scouting and recruitment department for more examples. There has been a serious downgrade in support staff since Gerrard left, with some simply not being replaced at all.

Also why our goal keeping coach is now responsible for set piece coaching too.

 

[Crispy Bacon]

Do you mean staff or equipment?

Did our eqpt go to leicester with our staff, as mentioned in the OP?

 

[The Mentalist]

Did our eqpt go to leicester with our staff, as mentioned in the OP?

Half of it has probably suffered a fault and can’t be fixed until after the World Cup!

 

[Pep_x]

I'm going to put in a CV for the head of the medical department.
All injured players in at 8 am every day for treatment and back in at 3pm for more treatment.

 

[Hateley's Mullet]

I no longer think it's the medical staff or just bad luck. Our injuries must be down to overall fitness and the training we're doing (or lack of it).

 

[Hoosier Ranger]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

Is the Doctor supposed to prevent all injuries?

 

[Craigie]

A simple google search will show you that plenty players get miss diagnosed. Not having a top doc is a hinderance. It’s bonkers that we’ve not adequately replaced Mark Waller.

The implication in your post was that it was an issue at Rangers. Don't recall it being so. Some injuries take longer to heal than expected and restarting training causes other issues but "misdiagnosis" hasn't been a real issue with us.

 

[Anoldranger]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

How do you know this? Have you inside info?

 

[rossgers]

What injuries haven’t been diagnosed correctly out of interest?

I diagnosed Souttar as a total cripple just from press reports.

 

[sneddon38]

How do you know this? Have you inside info?

They announced when Mark Waller left never announced a replacement and I sit behind the dug out so you kinda spot these things.

 

[sneddon38]

Is the Doctor supposed to prevent all injuries?

A top medical team at any football club is key. Having a top doctor there makes a massive difference.

 

[Anoldranger]

They announced when Mark Waller left never announced a replacement and I sit behind the dug out so you kinda spot these things.

So you sit behind the dug out therefore you know the medical staff diagnose injuries wrongly? Oh dear.

 

[orjan_persson]

They announced when Mark Waller left never announced a replacement and I sit behind the dug out so you kinda spot these things.

 

[Don Pirlo]

I no longer think it's the medical staff or just bad luck. Our injuries must be down to overall fitness and the training we're doing (or lack of it).

This got me thinking - what on earth has our supposed fitness coach, Arno Philips, been doing? Is he a replacement for Jordan Milsom? He doesn’t seem as hands-on in the training videos.

 

[Hateley's Mullet]

I diagnosed Souttar as a total cripple just from press reports.

Maybe you should be the new doctor, you got that one right at least.

 

[MarkieLoyal55]

Thing is - and lets put performance to the side - Gerrard seems to be the type of guy who wont take prisoners, GVB more passive.

Gerrard was very clear in what things he wanted and who he wanted, not sure Gio is any more than the head coach, Stevie wanted changes everywhere right through the team, training ground, equipment, staff.

As said put performance aside but i wonder if Gio is just not as aggressive or demanding and therefore the board just let it slide...

 

[Eddie Doc]

I diagnosed Souttar as a total cripple just from press reports.

You and the rest of us. Doctor Zhivago could've diagnosed that.

 

[devilman]

I dread to think what goes on behind the scenes at Rangers with this board in charge. I think we'd be in for a massive surprise at how unprofessional it has become. Just based on how things look at the moment, nothing else.

 

[Hateley's Mullet]

As said put performance aside but i wonder if Gio is just not as aggressive or demanding and therefore the board just let it slide...

And the players too, it would make a lot of sense regarding our performances.

 

[Derek76]

There’s plenty of players out there who don’t get diagnosed properly. Players either get rushed too quickly then break down again. Having a good doctor endures that doesn’t happen. Listened to Steven Reid on talksport and he raved about David Favre at Blackburn and said he literally diagnosed his injuries that got him back playing again.

Just answer the question.

 

[KarlSvenson]

We had a very intense end to the season and a very intense start. I would think this is a bigger reason as to why we have a lot of injuries

 

[Oranje]

Should have sent scouts into the Queen Elizabeth to recruit a better doctor.

Need a medical professional with a 10.0 xRecovery stat

 

[hms]

From the outside looking in, we seem to be totally amateur in every department behind the scenes.

 

[ronadamus_prime]

We did sign some sort of deal with a data analysis firm specifically about fitness and injuries I can only assume we've crashed every statistical model that they've got

Was that specky dickhead Roger Mitchell not involved with that company as well? Wouldn't be surprised if he was feeding us duff data.

 

[Eddie Doc]

I'm going to put in a CV for the head of the medical department.
All injured players in at 8 am every day for treatment and back in at 3pm for more treatment.

Why not? George Graham style. He said it worked a treat because of the rush hour traffic.

 

[ronadamus_prime]

So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.

Are you a medical professional?

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

How do you know our players aren't being diagnosed correctly? Seems a bit unfair on the guy being promoted to assume it's his fault with no evidence. For all we know he could be a brilliant doctor, but it doesn't matter how good he is if we have a squad littered with injury prone players.

It’s anything to have a pop. People sitting dreaming stuff up with no foundation just to vent.

 

[Eddie Doc]

It’s anything to have a pop. People sitting dreaming stuff up with no foundation just to vent.

Could be a factor, though. Nobody knows but we've got far too many for it to be bad luck.