Lionel Messi

Oranje said:
There’s no denying how great he is but the whole fan club thing is overbearing. I support football teams not individual players.

Messi could spit on their granny and the virgins of social media would be going wild. “The greatest spit ever from the GOAT :eek:.”
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Yep, everything these days has become really tribal, from football teams, to football players, down to politics and even video game consoles, some are simply blinded to loyalty and will flat refuse to see or acknowledge anything else.

It’s tiring.
 
Very hard to say who is the greatest ever.

Messi and ronaldo have the best stats.

Maradona, old ronaldo played against better defenders in my opinion because defenders these days are either wing backs or just big shit bags who are threats from set peices.

Even players likes of puyol maldini are non existent no more.
 
dt17 said:
Isn't Maradona seen as a sort of working class hero in Argentina? Obviously won them the World Cup but also played club football in Argentina as well?

Messi left Argentina as a boy.
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He was already an icon of Argentine football but WC ‘86 took him to another level - not only for winning it but for beating England (especially in that manner).

Maradona was politically outspoken, both against the Church and his support of socialism.
 
SpandauBear said:
Why are folk comparing modern footballers to players from the 60s? Completely different sports. :D mental
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I think it's the only way you really can. People who grew up idolizing Pele are less likely to think that the next best player is better, and I'll probably be the same now with Mbappe/Halaand or anyone else who emerges as the best player in the world now that Messi/Ronaldo are on the way out.
Nescafe_loyal said:
Very hard to say who is the greatest ever.

Messi and ronaldo have the best stats.

Maradona, old ronaldo played against better defenders in my opinion because defenders these days are either wing backs or just big shit bags who are threats from set peices.

Even players likes of puyol maldini are non existent no more.
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There's also the argument that players are fitter, faster, tactically more aware and talent is far more concentrated now than it ever was in the past. The best players in the world in the past were potentially spread between Europe and South America. Now the best players are in Europe and you've got the occasional world class talent like Salah from Africa or Son from Asia as two examples off the top of my head that you might never have seen (outside of a tournament taking place every four years) if they were born 30 years ago.
 
I think the expectation from Argentinians in the World Cup because they have Messi brings pressure that affects the rest of the team. I thought that to when Maradona played, especially after they won the World Cup in 86.
 
Johansen said:
I've seen them also Maradona imo has no one above him but imo our very own George Best runs everyone very close
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Pele would not have been mentioned without Taostao a great Brazilian midfielder and Garrincha who made a lot of Pele's goals,by the same token Messi who I still say was the best would not have been without the great Iniesta ,these players were as good as the men who fed them.ive seen them all but like all on here just my opinion.
 
BluenoseAL said:
skybet chat have admitted they're surprised it has not been overturned and have raised the issue with opta as they agree that it's a clear shot, they're laying the blame for not paying out squarely at Opta's feet
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Yeah, done that to me a month or so back.

Had Salah two shots on target, he got one, but went through one on one with Ederson, who tipped the shot past the post but the ref never awarded a corner.

All the bookies were sent countless video footage proving the keeper had saved the shot, but they said they wouldn’t pay out as Opta didn’t deem it a shot on target.
 
BrooklynBlue said:
It’s from 2014 and suggests some supporters from his rival local team are jealous.

Come on.
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Dejected Messi booed by fans and frozen out by teammates

The player was confronted by defender Nicolás Burdisso after another disappointing Copa América performance.
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Might be from 2011, but a pretty decent quote from his father in it. A Copa America win may have won some Argentinians over, but he's nowhere near Maradona in terms of popularity in Argentina.

Not sure how what I've said is nonsense.
 
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TJ72 said:
785 career goals.

Overrated. :)) :))
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I always wonder what guys like this think about players like Kirk Broadfoot. I mean, how many goals and records would he need to break before he thought - ‘aye that Messi is actually worth the praise he gets’.
 
I’ve got him to win the Golden Ball (best player, not top goal scorer) at 10/1. That teenage mutant turtle looking lady's front bottom is going to win both isn’t he?
 
RangersLad1983 said:
Pele would not have been mentioned without Taostao a great Brazilian midfielder and Garrincha who made a lot of Pele's goals,by the same token Messi who I still say was the best would not have been without the great Iniesta ,these players were as good as the men who fed them.ive seen them all but like all on here just my opinion.
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The World Cup argument is so facile. Imagine if the best ever player, scoring a goal, two or a hat-trick every game was born in the Faroe Islands and had to contend with the other 10 guys being essentially amateurs. It'd be all the more remarkable if they did manage to win a World Cup but I doubt you could really hold it against him if they didn't.
 
Drop the Shoulder said:
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Dejected Messi booed by fans and frozen out by teammates

The player was confronted by defender Nicolás Burdisso after another disappointing Copa América performance.
www.the42.ie www.the42.ie

Might be from 2011, but a pretty decent quote from his father in it. A Copa America win may have won some Argentinians over, but he's nowhere Maradona in terms of popularity in Argentina.

Not sure how what I've said is nonsense.
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You said he “isn’t particularly popular in Argentina”, which is nonsense.

Yes, Maradona is on a different level.
 
RangersLad1983 said:
Pele would not have been mentioned without Taostao a great Brazilian midfielder and Garrincha who made a lot of Pele's goals,by the same token Messi who I still say was the best would not have been without the great Iniesta ,these players were as good as the men who fed them.ive seen them all but like all on here just my opinion.
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Yes and I've seen them all also and as you say all of the the great players needed some behind them but never have I seen one player drag a team to World Cup glory the way Maradona did in 1986. Certainly he had good players in the team alongside him but not many can be classed as true greats of the game
 
hammer17 said:
just like the 2014 tournament in Brazil, Messi is dragging this underperforming Argentina side along.

He came to within a extra time Götze winner of winning the World Cup on his own

Ronaldo would have been watching Messi tonight, Messi doesn’t watch Ronaldo

Greatest player to have ever kicked a ball
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After Maradona
 
Johansen said:
Yes and I've seen them all also and as you say all of the the great players needed some behind them but never have I seen one player drag a team to World Cup glory the way Maradona did in 1986. Certainly he had good players in the team alongside him but not many can be classed as true greats of the game
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You are right in the respect of Maradona he did not have the feeder players that some of the greats had ,he had to do a lot himself but his lifestyle lost him a lot of his career.
 
Bigbluebear said:
The Maradona goal v England they showed pre match was like watching a game in slow motion

Messi is the best of all time.
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It’s impossible to compare eras, there are just far to many variables, such as the quality of pitches, balls, boots etc, plus sports science, all making the modern game far quicker, but not necessarily better in a given era.

Everyone has there favourites and that’s why threads like these can be fun, there’s no right or wrong answer, no matter how mental some people get defending whoever their favourite is.
 
Adam55 said:
I’ve got him to win the Golden Ball (best player, not top goal scorer) at 10/1. That teenage mutant turtle looking lady's front bottom is going to win both isn’t he?
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Thanks for clearing that up on a football forum.:D:D
 
There is genuinely no such thing as the GOAT.

For most people it's a generational thing, and depending on what era you grew up in and when and 'came of age' watching your favourite football - your generation will always be the best.

A non-exhaustive selection (although plenty would disagree) might look something like:

1950's Di Stefano, Puskas, Kolev, Gento, Yashin ...
1960's Pele, Eusebio, Mazzola, Best, Garrincha ...
1970's - Cruyff, Muller, Beckenbauer, Rummenigge, Zico ...
1980's - Maradona, Platini, Baresi, Van Basten, Gullit ...
1990's - Zidane, Baggio, Figo, Bergkamp, Del Piero ...
2000's - Messi, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo, Maldini, Ronaldinho
2010's - Robben, Torres, Klose, Xavi, Lewandowski ...
2020's - De Bruyne, Neymar, Bemzema, Haaland, Mbappe ...

Obvious exclusions = England players and the Portuguese cock-socket.
 
Barrymoped said:
It’s impossible to compare eras, there are just far to many variables, such as the quality of pitches, balls, boots etc, plus sports science, all making the modern game far quicker, but not necessarily better in a given era.

Everyone has there favourites and that’s why threads like these can be fun, there’s no right or wrong answer, no matter how mental some people get defending whoever their favourite is.
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I don't think anyone's of the opinion that a guy from the 1870s is better than Messi is now. Granted it's good to argue the hypotheticals of it, but I think there is merit in saying the more modern players are playing in leagues and competitions with more concentrated talent.
 
Barrymoped said:
It’s impossible to compare eras, there are just far to many variables, such as the quality of pitches, balls, boots etc, plus sports science, all making the modern game far quicker, but not necessarily better in a given era.

Everyone has there favourites and that’s why threads like these can be fun, there’s no right or wrong answer, no matter how mental some people get defending whoever their favourite is.
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Messi is the best of all time.

Anybody says different then they are welcome to join me outside in a fight to the death, especially anybody that says Cristiano Ronaldo
 
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