Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

Timskelper said:
I don't know for sure as to the clown you're referring too IB, but I'll assume that it's Raving Ronnie. Of course it may not be as there are so many crackpots out there, but he's a particularly vile lunatic. He's truly obnoxious.

And don't worry about his loony, but laughable claims, he's incapable of silencing Marc. If he did boast about doing just that, then he's even more of a vile nutter than I thought. It maybe happened in his dreams though. The same thing happens regularly with Joe the bigot.

A club (and supporters) like no other and we're all grateful for that.
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I’ve had my suspicions that’s another one of fat Andy Muirheads many twitter identities
 
Govan_derry said:
I know it’s off topic but minorities? Did tommy Robinson not get assaulted? What minority is he. Humza needs called out for this constant playing of the race card It seems the only person that has a problem with his race is humza himself.
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The boy is a f**king blurt of the highest order.He showed himself up as the fraud he is on question time the other week.He’s so far out his depth it’s unreal.
 
If Cairney gets his pathetically lenient sentence reduced over this omission it will prove once and for all that Scottish judiciary would rather be sympathetic towards paedos and not punish the vile bastards

Cairney is a disgusting beast and hope his appeal fails
 
Bobafett Bear said:
truecrimenewsweekly.com

SCOTLAND’S FOOTBALL ABUSE SCANDAL ON BRINK OF EXPLODING! Questions raised over organised paedophile rings who went from club to club raping boys

EXCLUSIVE: Scotland’s football abuse scandal is expected to explode with more details coming out that some coaches perhaps acted together in an organised paedophile ring, being moved on from …
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It is behind a pay wall,I’ll try get it sent to me.
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Here you go mate.

SCOTLAND’S FOOTBALL ABUSE SCANDAL ON BRINK OF EXPLODING! Questions raised over organised paedophile rings who went from club to club raping boys
November 19, 2019 Gary Johnston 0
EXCLUSIVE: Scotland’s football abuse scandal is expected to explode with more details coming out that some coaches perhaps acted together in an organised paedophile ring, being either protected or moved on from club to club after raping and molesting boys with big dreams of being professional footballers, writes Gary Johnston.
There is nothing uglier, than inchoate hatred. Hard though it may be to believe, even old, moon-faced Barnaby Joyce is more attractive.
Hatred, based on prejudice, soaked in bigotry, marinated in racism, brought to a rolling boil in a foul fusion of animosity and sectarianism, is a repugnant commodity no measure of tolerance and rationale can ever excuse.
In our world of relentless social media activity, hatred, served up with lashings of ignorance and narrow-mindedness, perpetrated by faceless, single-digit, keyboard lame-brains, is the new fascism, which is rather disappointing, since we haven’t altogether lanced the boil of old fascism yet.
Anonymous people, seemingly bereft of compassion, empathy and good humour, who get their kicks sticking the boot into those whose only crime is to have experienced agony, hardship and ill fortune.
What’s so funny, as the great Nick Lowe once said, about peace, love and understanding?
Earlier this year, True Crime News Weekly broke the story, in Australia at least, of the sexual abuse scandal which has rocked the world of Scottish professional football. Our reporting has since made a significant impact in Scotland, with families of victims as well as media outlets and blogs picking up on or sharing our articles. Indeed, outside of Australia, Scotland has this year been the nation where this website has received most of its readership from.
The Celtic Boys Club, an unofficial feeder of the celebrated team, first British side to lift the prestigious European Cup, forerunner of the Champions League, was revealed to be a dysfunctional, corrupt organisation whose coaches systematically and with apparent impunity molested a tranche of young men over the course of a number of years with, all of the evidence suggests, the tacit, or at least tolerated, acquiescence of high profile, legendary figures within the mighty Celtic FC itself.

A significant figure in exposing the extent of abuse, was the tireless Michelle Gray whose brother Andrew, after a troubled time dealing with the consequences of his horrific experience, tragically lost his life in a dreadful accident in Perth, Western Australia.
Despite his awful demise, Andrew’s testimony, accumulated and engendered by Michelle and her mother Helene, was delivered at the subsequent criminal trial of the most prolific perpetrator – one James Torbett – and had a powerful effect on the subsequent conviction of Torbett, who is currently – and rightly – serving a sentence of 6 years imprisonment at Her Majesty’s pleasure.
Following that judgement in November 2018, one of Torbett’s contemporaries, Frank Cairney, another youth coach linked to Celtic was also earlier this year sentenced to four years in prison for abusing young boys connected to the club. All up, at least four Celtic youth coaches have been identified as having been involved in the sexual abuse of young footballers under their guidance and care.
Cue an incredible – for people unaware of the tribal associations of Scottish culture – backlash against the Gray family, accused of ‘disloyalty’ towards Celtic, exemplified by social media trolling alluding to shady personal vendettas aided and abetted – orchestrated according to the blindsided faithful – by supporters of Celtic’s traditional rivals, Rangers FC.
To a lesser extent, far lesser compared to the Gray’s experience, True Crime News Weekly was even drawn into the argument, with a number of Celtic fans accusing us of prejudice and even worse for this writer, a life-long Celtic supporter, of being a “half-baked bluenose”.
 
For those of you not in the know, a ‘bluenose’, is a semi-pejorative term for a staunch, some would say immutable, Rangers supporter.
Amongst other suggestions made to us by Celtic acolytes, was a request that we investigate the behaviour of one time Rangers coach Gordon Neely, also accused of being a long time sexual abuser of young aspirant footballers. What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.
In addition to working at Rangers, Neely also coached at two other Scottish clubs, Hibernian and Dundee United, where his disgraceful conduct – biting young players, subjecting them to private ‘spanking sessions’ and, it’s alleged, much, much worse – was not only tolerated, but, it seems, actively encouraged, in the name of “character building”.
Rangers youth Gordon Neely.
Even more worrying, if that’s possible, are well-founded rumours that Neely was a close acquaintance of the notorious Barry Bennell, a scout and coach at both Crewe Alexandra FC and premiership giants Manchester City and a convicted child rapist whose victims, said to number in the hundreds, were all teenage – and younger – would-be footballers, meticulously selected and groomed by Bennell over the course of a number of years.
The strong possibility that there might have been a cohort of top level football coaches operating a sexual abuser’s ring, trading in information and – quite possibly in children – and that it may well have been covered up by some of the biggest names in the round ball game is, you might think, a major story that any right-minded football supporter – any person with a concept of justice – would automatically acknowledge as being serious as deserving of further investigation. We agree, wholeheartedly.
The Torbett affair at Celtic Boy’s Club however, suggests that is not universally, the accepted conclusion. Instead, for some ‘fans’, it seems affiliations, connections with football clubs, are seen as being much more important than the basic premise of fairness, equitability and due process.
Bennell and Torbett – and others like Cairney – are in jail. Neely isn’t, having assumed room temperature in 2014, but for any reasonable person, that surely cannot be the end of the narrative.
A full, frank and exhaustive enquiry into the nature and scale of abuse, is patently required, incorporating representatives of every club, to find out what happened, how it happened, who knew about it and, most importantly, to recommend and invoke measures that ensure such a situation can never be allowed to occur again.
Questions such as this are being continually asked by the indefatigable Michelle Gray but at no little personal cost.
Regularly, daily, on social media Michelle, her family and supporters are subjected to a level of invective that has to be seem to be believed.
At best, the criticism focusses on a perception that the Gray family has attacked Celtic FC without applying the same proportion of judgement to bitter rivals Rangers FC, employers of the aforementioned Gordon Neely, at worst, the accusations are far more pointed – and personal – alleging that the Gray’s quest for answers has its genesis in personal financial gain.
  • Former Manchester City coach Barry Bennell (Image: Mirror )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach James Torbett (Image: BBC )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach Frank Cairney (Image: Scottish Sun)
Many of the posts are heartlessly vindictive, referring to the death of Andrew Gray, suggesting the tragedy, which occurred after a number of years during which he had suffered from medically diagnosed PTSD directly related to being sexually abused at Celtic Boy’s Club, was Michelle’s fault and ‘nothing do with Celtic’.
Let’s get this straight.
Firstly, the victims of abuse are never to blame.
And secondly, loyalty, support for a football club, for any abstract institution, no matter how important it is to you, no matter how ingrained its history, trials, tribulations, successes and misfortunes has in your life, should not, cannot, take precedence over basic humanity.

It’s not ‘disloyalty’ to expect your club to assume responsibility for mistakes, oversights, concealments or cover-ups. Football clubs, like every organisation, have responsibilities towards individuals wronged, discriminated against or abused.
Ignoring this is wrong.
And people who do so are not acting like true fans, a faithful supporters, or even, rational individuals. They’re acting like brain-washed dolts.
You don’t like people who have been the recipient of criminal behaviour asking questions about the how, why and when?
You’re in denial. And you need to ask yourself why.
Hate if you must. Haters gonna hate. But restrict your hatred for those whose aberrant behaviour truly deserves it. People like Torbett, Bennell, Neely and the deniers, the cover-up merchants and enablers who put the potential success of a football club above and beyond the welfare of genuinely innocent children.
And even then, hatred, is no effective substitute for the perpetrators and their acolytes being subjected to the full process of the law.
Criminal behaviour has a consequence. That’s how the system, with all its flaws and foibles, works.
No matter what associations mean to you, no matter the colour of the jersey abusers used to wear, no matter which club’s badge they represented whilst engaged on their grubby, deviant, criminal, life-ruining actions, reconciliation, answers and disclosure are much, much more important than obedience and blind loyalty.
In that place, fascism not only resides, but thrives.
 
Just finished reading this and although we are not without our accusations. Its one of the best written articals ive read on the subject.
Some amazing journalism done there, almost makes me wonder if keeping an eye on this this thread? Like any good journalist should.
Nice to see the gray family mentioned too. They seem invisible to our british press.
 
sdp02 said:
For those of you not in the know, a ‘bluenose’, is a semi-pejorative term for a staunch, some would say immutable, Rangers supporter.
Amongst other suggestions made to us by Celtic acolytes, was a request that we investigate the behaviour of one time Rangers coach Gordon Neely, also accused of being a long time sexual abuser of young aspirant footballers. What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.
In addition to working at Rangers, Neely also coached at two other Scottish clubs, Hibernian and Dundee United, where his disgraceful conduct – biting young players, subjecting them to private ‘spanking sessions’ and, it’s alleged, much, much worse – was not only tolerated, but, it seems, actively encouraged, in the name of “character building”.
Rangers youth Gordon Neely.
Even more worrying, if that’s possible, are well-founded rumours that Neely was a close acquaintance of the notorious Barry Bennell, a scout and coach at both Crewe Alexandra FC and premiership giants Manchester City and a convicted child rapist whose victims, said to number in the hundreds, were all teenage – and younger – would-be footballers, meticulously selected and groomed by Bennell over the course of a number of years.
The strong possibility that there might have been a cohort of top level football coaches operating a sexual abuser’s ring, trading in information and – quite possibly in children – and that it may well have been covered up by some of the biggest names in the round ball game is, you might think, a major story that any right-minded football supporter – any person with a concept of justice – would automatically acknowledge as being serious as deserving of further investigation. We agree, wholeheartedly.
The Torbett affair at Celtic Boy’s Club however, suggests that is not universally, the accepted conclusion. Instead, for some ‘fans’, it seems affiliations, connections with football clubs, are seen as being much more important than the basic premise of fairness, equitability and due process.
Bennell and Torbett – and others like Cairney – are in jail. Neely isn’t, having assumed room temperature in 2014, but for any reasonable person, that surely cannot be the end of the narrative.
A full, frank and exhaustive enquiry into the nature and scale of abuse, is patently required, incorporating representatives of every club, to find out what happened, how it happened, who knew about it and, most importantly, to recommend and invoke measures that ensure such a situation can never be allowed to occur again.
Questions such as this are being continually asked by the indefatigable Michelle Gray but at no little personal cost.
Regularly, daily, on social media Michelle, her family and supporters are subjected to a level of invective that has to be seem to be believed.
At best, the criticism focusses on a perception that the Gray family has attacked Celtic FC without applying the same proportion of judgement to bitter rivals Rangers FC, employers of the aforementioned Gordon Neely, at worst, the accusations are far more pointed – and personal – alleging that the Gray’s quest for answers has its genesis in personal financial gain.
  • Former Manchester City coach Barry Bennell (Image: Mirror )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach James Torbett (Image: BBC )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach Frank Cairney (Image: Scottish Sun)
Many of the posts are heartlessly vindictive, referring to the death of Andrew Gray, suggesting the tragedy, which occurred after a number of years during which he had suffered from medically diagnosed PTSD directly related to being sexually abused at Celtic Boy’s Club, was Michelle’s fault and ‘nothing do with Celtic’.
Let’s get this straight.
Firstly, the victims of abuse are never to blame.
And secondly, loyalty, support for a football club, for any abstract institution, no matter how important it is to you, no matter how ingrained its history, trials, tribulations, successes and misfortunes has in your life, should not, cannot, take precedence over basic humanity.

It’s not ‘disloyalty’ to expect your club to assume responsibility for mistakes, oversights, concealments or cover-ups. Football clubs, like every organisation, have responsibilities towards individuals wronged, discriminated against or abused.
Ignoring this is wrong.
And people who do so are not acting like true fans, a faithful supporters, or even, rational individuals. They’re acting like brain-washed dolts.
You don’t like people who have been the recipient of criminal behaviour asking questions about the how, why and when?
You’re in denial. And you need to ask yourself why.
Hate if you must. Haters gonna hate. But restrict your hatred for those whose aberrant behaviour truly deserves it. People like Torbett, Bennell, Neely and the deniers, the cover-up merchants and enablers who put the potential success of a football club above and beyond the welfare of genuinely innocent children.
And even then, hatred, is no effective substitute for the perpetrators and their acolytes being subjected to the full process of the law.
Criminal behaviour has a consequence. That’s how the system, with all its flaws and foibles, works.
No matter what associations mean to you, no matter the colour of the jersey abusers used to wear, no matter which club’s badge they represented whilst engaged on their grubby, deviant, criminal, life-ruining actions, reconciliation, answers and disclosure are much, much more important than obedience and blind loyalty.
In that place, fascism not only resides, but thrives.
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thanks sdp02, if only our media would report as directly. Not only does he mention the immediate need for a full enquiry, speaks of the peodo ring and cover up. We really need something to happen between now and the general election that the snp have to come out and comment against the child abuse suffered over decades at the filth. Here’s hoping!!!
 
sdp02 said:
Just finished reading this and although we are not without our accusations. Its one of the best written articals ive read on the subject.
Some amazing journalism done there, almost makes me wonder if keeping an eye on this this thread? Like any good journalist should.
Nice to see the gray family mentioned too. They seem invisible to our british press.
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He did one months ago which was excellent too SDP. We had it on here too.
 
With the greatest respect to the victims of these vile acts, it is the way of our justice system that the crime does not fit the sentence as handed down by the courts, it is the burden of the victim to prove that he/she is the innocent one and not to have contributed to the said crime, where it will end I just don't know.
 
For those of you not in the know, a ‘bluenose’, is a semi-pejorative term for a staunch, some would say immutable, Rangers supporter.
Amongst other suggestions made to us by Celtic acolytes, was a request that we investigate the behaviour of one time Rangers coach Gordon Neely, also accused of being a long time sexual abuser of young aspirant footballers. What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.
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An absolutely disgraceful attempt by the author to drag Walter Smith into this as if he were some sort of " Stein " figure.

The self-confessed Celtic fan couldn't help but let his mask slip.
 
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For those of you not in the know, a ‘bluenose’, is a semi-pejorative term for a staunch, some would say immutable, Rangers supporter.
Amongst other suggestions made to us by Celtic acolytes, was a request that we investigate the behaviour of one time Rangers coach Gordon Neely, also accused of being a long time sexual abuser of young aspirant footballers. What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.
In addition to working at Rangers, Neely also coached at two other Scottish clubs, Hibernian and Dundee United, where his disgraceful conduct – biting young players, subjecting them to private ‘spanking sessions’ and, it’s alleged, much, much worse – was not only tolerated, but, it seems, actively encouraged, in the name of “character building”.
Rangers youth Gordon Neely.
Even more worrying, if that’s possible, are well-founded rumours that Neely was a close acquaintance of the notorious Barry Bennell, a scout and coach at both Crewe Alexandra FC and premiership giants Manchester City and a convicted child rapist whose victims, said to number in the hundreds, were all teenage – and younger – would-be footballers, meticulously selected and groomed by Bennell over the course of a number of years.
The strong possibility that there might have been a cohort of top level football coaches operating a sexual abuser’s ring, trading in information and – quite possibly in children – and that it may well have been covered up by some of the biggest names in the round ball game is, you might think, a major story that any right-minded football supporter – any person with a concept of justice – would automatically acknowledge as being serious as deserving of further investigation. We agree, wholeheartedly.
The Torbett affair at Celtic Boy’s Club however, suggests that is not universally, the accepted conclusion. Instead, for some ‘fans’, it seems affiliations, connections with football clubs, are seen as being much more important than the basic premise of fairness, equitability and due process.
Bennell and Torbett – and others like Cairney – are in jail. Neely isn’t, having assumed room temperature in 2014, but for any reasonable person, that surely cannot be the end of the narrative.
A full, frank and exhaustive enquiry into the nature and scale of abuse, is patently required, incorporating representatives of every club, to find out what happened, how it happened, who knew about it and, most importantly, to recommend and invoke measures that ensure such a situation can never be allowed to occur again.
Questions such as this are being continually asked by the indefatigable Michelle Gray but at no little personal cost.
Regularly, daily, on social media Michelle, her family and supporters are subjected to a level of invective that has to be seem to be believed.
At best, the criticism focusses on a perception that the Gray family has attacked Celtic FC without applying the same proportion of judgement to bitter rivals Rangers FC, employers of the aforementioned Gordon Neely, at worst, the accusations are far more pointed – and personal – alleging that the Gray’s quest for answers has its genesis in personal financial gain.
  • Former Manchester City coach Barry Bennell (Image: Mirror )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach James Torbett (Image: BBC )
  • Jailed Celtic youth coach Frank Cairney (Image: Scottish Sun)
Many of the posts are heartlessly vindictive, referring to the death of Andrew Gray, suggesting the tragedy, which occurred after a number of years during which he had suffered from medically diagnosed PTSD directly related to being sexually abused at Celtic Boy’s Club, was Michelle’s fault and ‘nothing do with Celtic’.
Let’s get this straight.
Firstly, the victims of abuse are never to blame.
And secondly, loyalty, support for a football club, for any abstract institution, no matter how important it is to you, no matter how ingrained its history, trials, tribulations, successes and misfortunes has in your life, should not, cannot, take precedence over basic humanity.

It’s not ‘disloyalty’ to expect your club to assume responsibility for mistakes, oversights, concealments or cover-ups. Football clubs, like every organisation, have responsibilities towards individuals wronged, discriminated against or abused.
Ignoring this is wrong.
And people who do so are not acting like true fans, a faithful supporters, or even, rational individuals. They’re acting like brain-washed dolts.
You don’t like people who have been the recipient of criminal behaviour asking questions about the how, why and when?
You’re in denial. And you need to ask yourself why.
Hate if you must. Haters gonna hate. But restrict your hatred for those whose aberrant behaviour truly deserves it. People like Torbett, Bennell, Neely and the deniers, the cover-up merchants and enablers who put the potential success of a football club above and beyond the welfare of genuinely innocent children.
And even then, hatred, is no effective substitute for the perpetrators and their acolytes being subjected to the full process of the law.
Criminal behaviour has a consequence. That’s how the system, with all its flaws and foibles, works.
No matter what associations mean to you, no matter the colour of the jersey abusers used to wear, no matter which club’s badge they represented whilst engaged on their grubby, deviant, criminal, life-ruining actions, reconciliation, answers and disclosure are much, much more important than obedience and blind loyalty.
In that place, fascism not only resides, but thrives.
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Some may remember this reporter’s previous article which was similar to this a few months ago and was posted on here. One piece sticks out this time though which has to be questioned.

“What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.”

Seal of approval of principle figures? Also mentioning Walter Smith and his time as manager being “not all that successful”

We don’t mind journalists printing facts but this style of tabloid journalism doesn’t help at all.
 
BlueNose94 said:
Some may remember this reporter’s previous article which was similar to this a few months ago and was posted on here. One piece sticks out this time though which has to be questioned.

“What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.”

Seal of approval of principle figures? Also mentioning Walter Smith and his time as manager being “not all that successful”

We don’t mind journalists printing facts but this style of tabloid journalism doesn’t help at all.
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That’s genuinely outrageous.This reads like some bitter wee Aussie Tim struggling to accept his club concealed a peado ring for 4 decades.Sad,sad little man.
 
BlueNose94 said:
Some may remember this reporter’s previous article which was similar to this a few months ago and was posted on here. One piece sticks out this time though which has to be questioned.

“What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.”

Seal of approval of principle figures? Also mentioning Walter Smith and his time as manager being “not all that successful”

We don’t mind journalists printing facts but this style of tabloid journalism doesn’t help at all.
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Is it not that he's writing that they were told, in responses to their previous article, they should investigate these things?

As in, slavering Tims on twitter pounced on the previous criticism of Celtic and tried to drag Rangers in to it.

He's not saying "evidence suggested". He's making the comment that Celtic fans on twitter said that.

That said, the Smith line isn't required at the end.
 
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Some may remember this reporter’s previous article which was similar to this a few months ago and was posted on here. One piece sticks out this time though which has to be questioned.

“What’s more, it was said, we should report on the significant evidence that suggested Neely’s conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers FC, including, amongst others, Walter Smith, a successful – though, not all that successful – manager of the club in the 1990’s.”

Seal of approval of principle figures? Also mentioning Walter Smith and his time as manager being “not all that successful”

We don’t mind journalists printing facts but this style of tabloid journalism doesn’t help at all.
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Absolutely agree. This is him showing a weakness & reacting to claims that haven’t been proven in court.
 
sammysun said:
With the greatest respect to the victims of these vile acts, it is the way of our justice system that the crime does not fit the sentence as handed down by the courts, it is the burden of the victim to prove that he/she is the innocent one and not to have contributed to the said crime, where it will end I just don't know.
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Worse still for the victims is that ex-Celtic players can basically come out in books and fully admit they knew a peadophile ring was operating within their club and that it was being actively covered up and nothing has been done about it at government level?

How must the victims feel that people with knowledge of this can disclose information of crimes being committed in full view of public without so much as a (meh) given from the UK and Scottish governments?

For me this is the most outrageous part of the whole saga. Are Celtic being protected or do political parties just not care about these children.

In any other country on earth Celtic would have been shut down years ago for this.
 
Walters80 said:
Worse still for the victims is that ex-Celtic players can basically come out in books and fully admit they knew a peadophile ring was operating within their club and that it was being actively covered up and nothing has been done about it at government level?

How must the victims feel that people with knowledge of this can disclose information of crimes being committed in full view of public without so much as a (meh) given from the UK and Scottish governments?

For me this is the most outrageous part of the whole saga. Are Celtic being protected or do political parties just not care about these children.

In any other country on earth Celtic would have been shut down years ago for this.
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Distortion and deflecting of unsubstantiated evidence ,being compared to fact and convicted paedophiles. They really can't help themselves, will resort to any lengths to try and dilute the severity of Celtics actions over the course of decades. Their conduct abhorrent and the contempt for the victims is deplorable.
 
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19 Nov at 18:02


Dear Gary,

It is commendable and refreshing to read your article with reference to the child sex abuse within Scottish Football. It is also disgraceful that the msm in our own country along with the Scottish Government are ignoring this abhorrent widespread abuse, as you quote in your article, " this cannot take precedence over basic humanity."

As i have said, i must commend you, for attempting to heighten awareness of this scandal outwith Scotland, especially considering you are a Celtic supporter who appears to rise above the blind loyalty of deflection and deception.

That said however, i feel as though i must point out a few inaccuracy's, firstly you show a photograph in the article of Jim Torbett, one of the Celtic B.C. beast's and below it states Rangers youth coach Gordon Neely, a tad trivial i know, but still inaccurate.

I am a Rangers supporter Gary and would support a call for a fully Independent Public Inquiry, if there have been incidents of abuse proven at my club, i would expect my club to issue an apology and offer compensation to the victim/ victim's.

I must point out to you,that Gordon Neely was appointed a youth coach at Rangers F.C. in 1986 having come from Hibernian F.C. who apparently sacked him as a youth coach for inappropriate behaviour, Hibernian F.C. then failed to notify Rangers about Neely leaving him free to carry on abusing.

Neely remained at Rangers until 1991 when following an allegation of one instance of inappropriate behaviour, by a youth player and his father, he was dismissed following a meeting with Graeme Souness, Walter Smith and Alistair Hood and was allegedly, subsequently reported to Strathclyde police.

Since then Strathclyde police have become Police Scotland and moved headquarters. In 2016 the "victim" made a statement to Police Scotland who apparently could'nt find any record of Rangers reporting Neely, the same Police Scotland that last year "lost" evidence in the Celtic supporters effigy hanging shame at Celtic park during an old firm game, therefore there is a good chance they also "lost" the Neely report during the changeover from Strathclyde to Police Scotland.

Can you provide the significant evidence that suggested Neely's conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers?, including Walter Smith? who was incidently a very successful manager leading the club to 7 of their 9 titles in a row, not to mention the numerous cups and almost Champions league final in 1992/93 season.

I have never been aware of these claims regarding the well known conduct of Neely, if you can't provide the evidence to back this up, it tarnishes your otherwise comprehensive article. Of course Celtic fans are trying to besmirch the name of Rangers F.C. and point score with reference to Neely, but they must not be allowed a platform to spout lies and inaccuracy's, to deflect from the significant contributory source of the abuse, that being Celtic F.C., their own club.

The poor victims deserve the truth, is that too much to ask? only an Independent public inquiry will deliver the truth and i hope Gary that you will continue to help them achieve this, albeit truthfully and accurately.

I look forward to perusing your significant evidence ref. Neely, if it indeed exists.

Yours sincerely

R.K.
 
Rathcool Kai said:
Email to Gary Johnston


To:Admin@TrueCrimeNewsWeekly.com


19 Nov at 18:02


Dear Gary,

It is commendable and refreshing to read your article with reference to the child sex abuse within Scottish Football. It is also disgraceful that the msm in our own country along with the Scottish Government are ignoring this abhorrent widespread abuse, as you quote in your article, " this cannot take precedence over basic humanity."

As i have said, i must commend you, for attempting to heighten awareness of this scandal outwith Scotland, especially considering you are a Celtic supporter who appears to rise above the blind loyalty of deflection and deception.

That said however, i feel as though i must point out a few inaccuracy's, firstly you show a photograph in the article of Jim Torbett, one of the Celtic B.C. beast's and below it states Rangers youth coach Gordon Neely, a tad trivial i know, but still inaccurate.

I am a Rangers supporter Gary and would support a call for a fully Independent Public Inquiry, if there have been incidents of abuse proven at my club, i would expect my club to issue an apology and offer compensation to the victim/ victim's.

I must point out to you,that Gordon Neely was appointed a youth coach at Rangers F.C. in 1986 having come from Hibernian F.C. who apparently sacked him as a youth coach for inappropriate behaviour, Hibernian F.C. then failed to notify Rangers about Neely leaving him free to carry on abusing.

Neely remained at Rangers until 1991 when following an allegation of one instance of inappropriate behaviour, by a youth player and his father, he was dismissed following a meeting with Graeme Souness, Walter Smith and Alistair Hood and was allegedly, subsequently reported to Strathclyde police.

Since then Strathclyde police have become Police Scotland and moved headquarters. In 2016 the "victim" made a statement to Police Scotland who apparently could'nt find any record of Rangers reporting Neely, the same Police Scotland that last year "lost" evidence in the Celtic supporters effigy hanging shame at Celtic park during an old firm game, therefore there is a good chance they also "lost" the Neely report during the changeover from Strathclyde to Police Scotland.

Can you provide the significant evidence that suggested Neely's conduct was well known and apparently given the seal of approval by principal figures at Rangers?, including Walter Smith? who was incidently a very successful manager leading the club to 7 of their 9 titles in a row, not to mention the numerous cups and almost Champions league final in 1992/93 season.

I have never been aware of these claims regarding the well known conduct of Neely, if you can't provide the evidence to back this up, it tarnishes your otherwise comprehensive article. Of course Celtic fans are trying to besmirch the name of Rangers F.C. and point score with reference to Neely, but they must not be allowed a platform to spout lies and inaccuracy's, to deflect from the significant contributory source of the abuse, that being Celtic F.C., their own club.

The poor victims deserve the truth, is that too much to ask? only an Independent public inquiry will deliver the truth and i hope Gary that you will continue to help them achieve this, albeit truthfully and accurately.

I look forward to perusing your significant evidence ref. Neely, if it indeed exists.

Yours sincerely

R.K.
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Excellent again RK
 
Allybear said:
I had to read that again, so tired. I thought it went a bit strange regards Walter, the tims have been bombarding this this guy with bullshit, I guarantee it. That was way off the mark, shame cause he sounded geunuinly grieved for the Gray family and survivors, and rightly so.
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This is how the filth will try and play it. Dilute the waters and say one’s as bad as the other.
 
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