Are we the only Club that has really been punished by the SPFL over COVID ?

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sorry a bit long winded and raking over some old ground, but, Are we the only Club that has really been punished by the SPFL over COVID ?

OK Bolongoli was “hammered“ (according to the Scottish media) with a 3 game ban and two suspended for breaking multiple rules and government restrictions.

The Aberdeen 8 got suspended bans.

Leigh Griffiths broke Government restrictions by hosting a surprise birthday (house) party for his girlfriend. She put pictures all over social media of a house full of folk drinking and the likes with no social distancing going on. This was all acceptable apparently.

Matches were postponed due to breaches, however sometimes the innocent party was punished when the games were played. For instance St Mirren had a full squad when due to play celtic but the game was postponed due to celtic and bolingoli however when the match was rescheduled st mirren were affected by COVID and had no goalkeeper, they had to bring in someone the day before the match.

Jeremie Frimpong then flew over a, for the want of a better word cheap “escort” from the USA, he assisted her in breaking Government rules by taking her out to car parks, shops and to food take aways mixing with other innocent parties, whilst she should have been self isolating. This was somehow all totally acceptable.

the SFA/SPFL then adopted their tough guy routine, 7 match bans for Edmundson and Jones, everyone thought fair enough they were stupid, not as stupid or any worse than the Aberdeen 8 or anything like the magnitude of the crime committed by Bolingoli. There was also far less people at their gathering than was at Griffiths house party, but never the less a line had to be drawn and the SFA/SPFL had to show examples would be made. We as a Club accepted this in the belief the severity of punishments were increasing as a deterrent.

The SPFL then continued with their no nonsense stance, points awarded to Clubs following COVID breaches by others.

However this was then challenged by the Clubs and the SPFL have given the points back meantime.

Then celtic fc decide they will head off to Dubai, at a time when travel restrictions are in place, we were told we couldn’t even go visit our relatives in the same street never mind different local authority areas and certainly not another continent.

on the back of this a former SPFL club chairman has came out and stated due to their actions this effectively undermines the SPFL’s decision to award points, so they are screwed.

so celtic kid on they won a quadruple treble, but when they realise their holy grail of ten in a row is gone they don’t give a fcuk for anything else and are undermining this season by swanning about Dubai sticking two fingers up to the entire nation, safe in the knowledge that the SPFL will do nothing.

The only team that seems to have suffered is us.
 
Our players got banned but we as a club haven’t suffered at all.
Those 2 delayed fixtures fucked their season.

we exited a Cup competition during the period of their bans. Football these days is a squad game, we didn’t have a full squad to pick from.

our performance levels dipped, players were fatigued and picking up injuries, we still have players missing as a result.

we had to play players out of position (away to Falkirk we had one fully fit centre half)
 
You're definite right that football is a squad game, and I think that has been our demise over the two previous seasons

However I think we have remedied this. I remember looking at the squad before the St Mirren game thinking it's a very strong starting 11, considering this was our B-team effectively

Jones and Edmundson don't displace any of those starting, or even the substitutes

I think how every COVID breach has resulted in totally different punishments has been stupid; but I can't say that I believe Rangers have been the only team affected. Celtic's games in hand have battered them this season more than us missing two duds
we exited a Cup competition during the period of their bans. Football these days is a squad game, we didn’t have a full squad to pick from.

our performance levels dipped, players were fatigued and picking up injuries, we still have players missing as a result.

we had to play players out of position (away to Falkirk we had one fully fit centre half)
 
we exited a Cup competition during the period of their bans. Football these days is a squad game, we didn’t have a full squad to pick from.

our performance levels dipped, players were fatigued and picking up injuries, we still have players missing as a result.

we had to play players out of position (away to Falkirk we had one fully fit centre half)
Neither player would’ve played if available in the cup competition we left so it didn’t make any difference.
 
As things stand the punishment has been applied and only on hold pending appeal. Even then the punishment might just be reduced and not reversed.
The league table says otherwise.
 
The league table says otherwise.
As the forfeited games are on hold, the league table positions of the 4 clubs don't mean anything though until appeal has been heard. The punishment has been suspended pending appeal, not reversed.

Incidentally, that appeal result may have future consequences on a certain other club currently in Dubai should anyone test positive.
 
As the forfeited games are on hold, the league table positions of the 4 clubs don't mean anything though until appeal has been heard. The punishment has been suspended pending appeal, not reversed.

Incidentally, that appeal result may have future consequences on a certain other club currently in Dubai should anyone test positive.
I haven't said it's reversed mate, just that as of right now, those 0-3 results aren't really there.

They may well be reinstated, but at those moment in time, our players having 7 game bans is easily the biggest punishment any club has received.
 
The 'rules' are all over the place which is why fans get annoyed.

Jones and Edmundson get punished more harshly than Bolingoli who travelled to another country without telling anyone, returned home, then played a game against a team who also had no idea that he'd fucked off to a COVID hotspot.

St Mirren get punished for players being too close on the team bus or whatever the trivial 'crime' was...Celtic then have carte blanche to travel in a plane to Dubai together, sit by the pool together, go out drinking in bars together and for some reason that's all fine and above board?
 
I haven't said it's reversed mate, just that as of right now, those 0-3 results aren't really there.

They may well be reinstated, but at those moment in time, our players having 7 game bans is easily the biggest punishment any club has received.
The players were punished not the club. The argument can be made obviously that the clubs is being punished being without their players for 7 games but comparing other player breaches is comparing apples and oranges. I also wouldn't be surprised to see any further breaches by players having more than a 7 game ban.

St Mirren were made to play a game missing all 3 of their goalkeepers. Kilmarnock and I am sure other lower leage teams had to forfeit league Cup games entirely.

St Mirren and Kilmarnock have also still had suspended £40,000 fines. Aberdeen and that mob were also fined.
 
The players were punished not the club. The argument can be made obviously that the clubs is being punished being without their players for 7 games but comparing other player breaches is comparing apples and oranges. I also wouldn't be surprised to see any further breaches by players having more than a 7 game ban.

St Mirren were made to play a game missing all 3 of their goalkeepers. Kilmarnock and I am sure other lower leage teams had to forfeit league Cup games entirely.

St Mirren and Kilmarnock have also still had suspended £40,000 fines. Aberdeen and that mob were also fined.
We can look just at the player breaches, none of the others are even close to Jones and Edmundson.

Griffiths actually arranged and hosted the party he was at, and it wasn't even spoken about.

No matter the difference in the other players offences, ultimately single one of them have broken the Covid rules set in place to allow football to played, the punishments should have been equal.

When you actually think on it, our two while breaking the rules were stopped from further damage being done.
Just about every other instance has resulted in the sporting bubble being compromised, so it makes even less sense that our players faced longer suspensions.
 
Only team punished - No, not at all.

Only team severely punished - Yes
(pending the appeal of 3-0 wins for the other teams in question)

Infact I’m sure us, Partick, Hearts and Stranraer have all been severely punished over covid (albeit last season)
 
No we haven't been punished at all for COVID if anything we got lucky because the players were given the day off and Jones and Edmundson got caught before coming back into training. There was no defence for them either they got what they deserved especially after knowing the outcome of the Aberdeen 8 and Bolingolli.

The problem is the SPFL should have had rules in at the start of the season and they never so they now make it up as they go along. Clubs don't want to give the power to the board after the farcical way last season ended. If you read the judgements for Kilmarnock and St Mirren there is no defence for them and they should be punished for it after all they were unable to field a team for not following the guidelines the SFA have set for all levels of football.
 
The forfeited games have only been suspended on appeal, the lost points might yet still be applied.

yes and as almost everyone and their granny has pointed out, Celtic’s antics going to and in Dubai completely undermines the SPFL case against the other clubs.
 
yes and as almost everyone and their granny has pointed out, Celtic’s antics going to and in Dubai completely undermines the SPFL case against the other clubs.
The outcome of the appeal would determine what action Celtic could face if they have an outbreak. Kilmarnock and St Mirren both pled guilty to their charges, their guilt isn't in question just the punishment.
 
have a look at there appearances ALL season

Did you not say they don’t play first team football ?

yes you did you were mistaken, I’m not getting in to a debate with someone who moves the goalposts. Away and try derail some other thread with your inaccuracies.
 
Did you not say they don’t play first team football ?

yes you did you were mistaken, I’m not getting in to a debate with someone who moves the goalposts. Away and try derail some other thread with your inaccuracies.

they don’t

Jones 3 games
Edmundson 1 game

both suspended had no effect on our squad or results , I’m only replying with the facts to a thread YOU started.
enjoy rest of your day
 
Our players got banned but we as a club haven’t suffered at all.
Those 2 delayed fixtures fucked their season.
Talk me through your thinking. We had two first team pool members unavailable for 7 games each, but you say the club didn't suffer. Then you go on to say 2 delayed fixtures fvcked their season, yet the last couple of years they have postponed fixtures so that they could play friendlies and go on holiday.
 
Cant believe this is even an argument. Its a fact weve had the most severe punishments imposed at this time.

As for the "it was the players not the club". What kind of point even is that? Makes no sense. You think the SFA took into consideration their pecking order in the squad before dishing out a 7 game ban? You think Gerrard wants his options limited for that amount of time? You think the club enjoy paying 7 weeks of wages to players who aren't available for selection?

No, im not saying it's a conspiracy, but facts are facts.
 
This is nonsense. I’m sorry.

As a club we have kept ourselves right, behaved well, and been fortunate to avoid both major disruption to our squad and have not been punished by the authorities - and on that, no luck involved
 
Jones and Edmundson may well have played v St Mirren or one of our other games. The reason they didn’t was due to them being idiots and sidelined by the gaffer rather than the resulting ban.
 
OK wise guy, point out where any of what I have posted is inaccurate.

sorry a bit long winded and raking over some old ground, but, Are we the only Club that has really been punished by the SPFL over COVID ?

OK Bolongoli was “hammered“ (according to the Scottish media) with a 3 game ban and two suspended for breaking multiple rules and government restrictions.

The Aberdeen 8 got suspended bans.

Leigh Griffiths broke Government restrictions by hosting a surprise birthday (house) party for his girlfriend. She put pictures all over social media of a house full of folk drinking and the likes with no social distancing going on. This was all acceptable apparently.

Matches were postponed due to breaches, however sometimes the innocent party was punished when the games were played. For instance St Mirren had a full squad when due to play celtic but the game was postponed due to celtic and bolingoli however when the match was rescheduled st mirren were affected by COVID and had no goalkeeper, they had to bring in someone the day before the match.

Jeremie Frimpong then flew over a, for the want of a better word cheap “escort” from the USA, he assisted her in breaking Government rules by taking her out to car parks, shops and to food take aways mixing with other innocent parties, whilst she should have been self isolating. This was somehow all totally acceptable.

the SFA/SPFL then adopted their tough guy routine, 7 match bans for Edmundson and Jones, everyone thought fair enough they were stupid, not as stupid or any worse than the Aberdeen 8 or anything like the magnitude of the crime committed by Bolingoli. There was also far less people at their gathering than was at Griffiths house party, but never the less a line had to be drawn and the SFA/SPFL had to show examples would be made. We as a Club accepted this in the belief the severity of punishments were increasing as a deterrent.

The SPFL then continued with their no nonsense stance, points awarded to Clubs following COVID breaches by others.

However this was then challenged by the Clubs and the SPFL have given the points back meantime.

Then celtic fc decide they will head off to Dubai, at a time when travel restrictions are in place, we were told we couldn’t even go visit our relatives in the same street never mind different local authority areas and certainly not another continent.

on the back of this a former SPFL club chairman has came out and stated due to their actions this effectively undermines the SPFL’s decision to award points, so they are screwed.

so celtic kid on they won a quadruple treble, but when they realise their holy grail of ten in a row is gone they don’t give a fcuk for anything else and are undermining this season by swanning about Dubai sticking two fingers up to the entire nation, safe in the knowledge that the SPFL will do nothing.

The only team that seems to have suffered is us.
Top of the league. Lost 4 points all season. 19 clear. Topped europa. Beat tims twice. Im fine about how everything has went this season including covid and retrospective punishments
 
Cant believe this is even an argument. Its a fact weve had the most severe punishments imposed at this time.

As for the "it was the players not the club". What kind of point even is that? Makes no sense. You think the SFA took into consideration their pecking order in the squad before dishing out a 7 game ban? You think Gerrard wants his options limited for that amount of time? You think the club enjoy paying 7 weeks of wages to players who aren't available for selection?

No, im not saying it's a conspiracy, but facts are facts.
You've got to wonder how many of those using it ridiculed that very line when it was Bolingoli and the filth.

It was the very defence that Knew Keevins used when people were calling on them to be punished for fielding Bolingoli at Kilmarnock.
 
If only Jones & Edmundson had been available :rolleyes:

Get a grip man.

the fact one started and the other came on as a sub in the league match immediately before they were cited indicates they were very much back in Gerrard’s plans.

there was a lengthy thread on Jones performance and his excellent goal.

the whole point is they are squad players who were unavailable for a considerable period, a period where we were playing almost twice weekly. It was no coincidence our performance levels have dipped and we have been picking up injuries that may have been avoided if we were able to have rotated our squad more than we were able.

do you think 7 games was fair compared to Bolingoli’s three or the Aberdeen 8s none ?

what other players have been banned ?
 
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