Match Thread Celtic v Rangers - 12:30 Saturday - Sky Sports

NUL bear said:
Today was not on Clement. He played the only m team available - no way he was going in to that game without JL and JT. Yilmaz and Raskin looked better than Barasic and Lawrence because the game had opened up and they had taken their foot off the gas

Next year is when it is on him
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Yes it is FFS
 
Porrohman said:
as bad as celtic are
we are a hell of a lot worse and it's time to wake up realise our squad are mediocre to say the least
it's going to cost a fortune to get rid of some of these losers and a fortune to replace them
we are in a real bad place just now while that mob are getting the riches of the champions league yet again, a huge overhaul of transfers yet again in the summer which we must get right
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this is the big concern for me, we all know a big turnover of players is needed in next 2 windows (but especially this coming summer) whatever finance we have available will yet again have to be spread thinly, and this is how we end up with jobbers that cant cut it in the English championship anymore, or injury prone players that other teams are swerving. that other shower (as poor as we may think they are) have at least a basis of a team to work around upgrade, it just seems like groundhog day for us, always seem to be firefighting
 
borderbear said:
I agree re Clement to a certain point then the apathy in Dingwall and Dens makes me question him and his ability to inspire.
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Yes, those results and the Motherwell one were disgraceful. Did Clement give them pelters? Who knows. He should have gone right through them. Too many passengers in the team. Too many not caring about the club. We need a clear out whether or not we win the cup.
 
We were 7 points behind when Clement came in, we’re now 6 points behind, it’s not a massive improvement, even with the devastating injury list.Hopefully he clears out the dross and brings in better class of players next season
 
Cortes, Danilo, Sima upfront with Matondo and Dessers on the bench and that is a radically different game.

Manager has his issues but he can't do much about that.
 
Zandermc said:
You can say fixed all you want but Clement does not come out of this smelling of roses. He’s made bizarre subs, started players who haven’t turned up for months and played the same tactics that have done nothing for us.
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Clements adherence to 4231 is a modern plan a not working, just do plan a better
 
bob1873 said:
He's an arrogant prick, what really grinds my gears is in Europe he's a complete nonentity watch him for the Jacobite's in Germany he'll be anonymous. He's a billy big time in a rotten league.
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Absolute crap, take another look at what you have just written.
He’s bossed us for as many old firm games as I can remember and been an integral part of Scotlands national side.
I get you may not like him but deal with facts ffs
 
GeeSpot said:
Said in another post. For all we've been well behind in the league, for all the injuries to big players like Danilo, Sima, Cortes, Roofe, Jack, Yilmaz and others, for all we've lost 3 and drawn 1 in these fixtures dropping 11 points and giving them 10, we are still only 6 points behind and effectively today's result flipped from being level on points.

We are behind in the league by fine margins and considering what we have had to put up with this season that is incredible in itself.
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Or on the flip side, this is the worst celtic team in years. They were 1 bad result from chasing rodgers out of Glasgow and he was basically calling his own players shit in press conferences.
And we still shat the bed.
 
Texas ranger said:
He’s had 40 games. He’s won 29, drawn 6 and lost 5.

One trophy where we didn’t have to face Celtic and a couple of good European results

Beales 43 games - W 31, drawn 4 , lost 8

Not much in it. Certainly not the difference that we read about in here about the disaster that was Beale vs the coming of the great one.

At least Beale beat Celtic.
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People don’t like facts. The narrative that PC has done amazing things with this team is a total myth. He may be a good manager but he certainly hasnt shown it yet.
 
delboi said:
Pretty sure his HT sub showed he wasn't settling for that. Everyone was saying Sterling in the middle but he kept Lawrence and Diomande as he was clearly wanting us to have an attacking threat.
This 2nd half was always going to be a struggle, but we've tried to give it a bit of a go when we could in the past 10mins or so. The quality just isn't there.
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Yeah I agree mate, my comment was pure frustration. As I said in another thread, I think he set up to have an attacking threat but retain a level of containment for the first half. I think the plan would have been to go one on one at the back and push the rest 20 yards further up in the 2nd half and go all out attack. I think he was banking on bringing on Yilmaz, Roofe and even Cantwell to change the shape.

A stupid OG and a crazy red card killed that stone dead and we don’t have the subs on the bench to change the plan and do something different.

I’m still 100% behind him, the board need to back him this summer, I think he’s shown enough to deserve a level of trust. I realise not many will agree with that but that’s my thoughts.

To go further back, I think many underestimated the loss of Sima, Yilmaz and Cortez. Don’t lose them and I think we win this title comfortably
 
JCDarcheville said:
How much better were we when ridvan came on. A ducking criminal decision.

The Lawrence one was the same. Starling should have been in the middle.
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Whilst I agree with your point I feel Sterling made his presence felt all over the field today. He and Butland were our best players, desperately hope we manage to hold on to both as they'll be very important next season.
Let's hope the rest of the team follow their lead, we need to display courage and determination in abundance if we're going to lift the Scottish Cup.
 
Big Hepy said:
The "leadership team" can all gtf
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Agreed mate.

Tav, Goldson, that scrawny seagull prick barisic and of course Lundstram. Scott Wright and other anonymous cunts should be away as well. Mentality is our killer every single season. Our squad needs to understand that domestically a draw is a defeat and a defeat is a disaster.

Motherwell at home should’ve been crisis point. Ross county away defeat? %^*& right off.

We’ve got a few good players in Butland, Sterling to build the team around. There’s a few I’d maybe be reluctant to can after a single season but the majority can go for me.
 
Chimo said:
He's already got a few notches against him, he's doing himself no favours at all.
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Agree to disagree mate. For me personally I refuse to turn against any manager that gets a run of shit results out of this band of serial losers, let alone one that topped our Europa group, won a league cup. Kept us in a title race until 2/3 games before the end of the season and has us in the Scottish cup. Especially given that in October people were saying we were in a worse state than when Pedro got carpeted.

Phil has the summer to clear out the Shitebags and sign his own players before I’ll judge him. That said if he thinks lundstrams worth keeping especially after today I’ll probably be leaning towards your view tbh.
 
GeeSpot said:
I know abuse of our players is frowned upon here but that is funny, needed a wee laugh after that today.
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Been banned for it many times. Won’t actively dislike a rangers player unless it’s warranted. In his case it absolutely is.

Keep the chin up mate, we’ve been in far worse situations over the last few years. WATP
 
Laudrups Barnet 55 said:
Agree to disagree mate. For me personally I refuse to turn against any manager that gets a run of shit results out of this band of serial losers, let alone one that topped our Europa group, won a league cup. Kept us in a title race until 2/3 games before the end of the season and has us in the Scottish cup. Especially given that in October people were saying we were in a worse state than when Pedro got carpeted.

Phil has the summer to clear out the Shitebags and sign his own players before I’ll judge him. That said if he thinks lundstrams worth keeping especially after today I’ll probably be leaning towards your view tbh.
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100%, PC needs to be backed in the summer to get dross out and quality in, after that judge him. he's has had no budget so far and only been able to bring in loans or loans to buy, this summer will show us the boards ambition make no mistake!
 
GazzaLegend said:
Yeah I agree mate, my comment was pure frustration. As I said in another thread, I think he set up to have an attacking threat but retain a level of containment for the first half. I think the plan would have been to go one on one at the back and push the rest 20 yards further up in the 2nd half and go all out attack. I think he was banking on bringing on Yilmaz, Roofe and even Cantwell to change the shape.

A stupid OG and a crazy red card killed that stone dead and we don’t have the subs on the bench to change the plan and do something different.

I’m still 100% behind him, the board need to back him this summer, I think he’s shown enough to deserve a level of trust. I realise not many will agree with that but that’s my thoughts.

To go further back, I think many underestimated the loss of Sima, Yilmaz and Cortez. Don’t lose them and I think we win this title comfortably
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Yeah they bring a lot of energy to the team. I thought Raskin did that today as well tbf. That lot had their strongest 11 today too. Although I'm not making excuses for this squad...to go a season not beating that Celtic team is inexcusable. Do we see the cup final being any different?

The manager can't legislate for professional footballers not closing people down properly, an own goal and the red card, but he can change the personnel in the summer. And with the exception of a few I hope he does.
 
WilkinsBullet said:
This comparison with Bedle stuff makes no sense at all. Beale was on target to finish fifth, go out of Europe early and no way would he have won a cup. Likewise Beales previous season was another disaster not to mention Beale blew a fortune. Further back Beale was in freefall at QPR whilst Clement had been winning in Belgium and competing in France. Not to say PC has proven to be a genius but to compare him to Beale is a bit much taken in context.
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It’s comparable from a Rangers point of view and the perspective of Beale had a pretty good 2022-2023, Celtic we’re his undoing. He had 4 losses for the season from when he took over to the end, three of them to Celtic and one of them being the LCF. I’d say it was very comparable.

Beales downfall was the following season and especially the PSV / Celtic back to back games.

Their records are remarkably similar. Both off to relatively very good starts in their first 30 games, then both have major problems with the next ten or so games. Celtic being a common denominator.
 
barshawranger said:
Whilst I agree with your point I feel Sterling made his presence felt all over the field today. He and Butland were our best players, desperately hope we manage to hold on to both as they'll be very important next season.
Let's hope the rest of the team follow their lead, we need to display courage and determination in abundance if we're going to lift the Scottish Cup.
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Sterling is a great player. So he should play where he has most impact on the game.

He’s never a wide forward. Playing him there is costing us.
 
This afternoon confirms what we all deep down knew after the last few weeks - we do not deserve to be Champions.

Failure to land a glove on your rivals.

Failure to win the most crucial, pressure games.

What worries me most after this afternoon is the idea that Rangers were/are trying to resign the likes of Lundstram for the XI and Balogun for the squad.

Even after 3 gift wrapped titles nobody running Rangers seems to have learned a thing.
 
temperance said:
We were 7 points behind when Clement came in, we’re now 6 points behind, it’s not a massive improvement, even with the devastating injury list.Hopefully he clears out the dross and brings in better class of players next season
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We were ahead of them, it's not clements fault the same players shat it again under pressure. Once he clears out the losers and the same guys who've been failing us for years, we'll see a different team.
 
temperance said:
We were 7 points behind when Clement came in, we’re now 6 points behind, it’s not a massive improvement, even with the devastating injury list.Hopefully he clears out the dross and brings in better class of players next season
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Factually correct. However, I think the 7 point gap was going to get bigger and bigger under Beale.
 
No Hiding Place said:
We're terrified of them,Hearts have more bottle against them.
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I have a workmate that's said for years.

They love it when they see Tav n Goldson line up against us. He also sees that Aberdeen hearts and Killie are there hardest games this year. We're just expected points. .

When we can't even have the fans fearing us
 
Texas ranger said:
He’s had 40 games. He’s won 29, drawn 6 and lost 5.

One trophy where we didn’t have to face Celtic and a couple of good European results

Beales 43 games - W 31, drawn 4 , lost 8

Not much in it. Certainly not the difference that we read about in here about the disaster that was Beale vs the coming of the great one.

At least Beale beat Celtic.
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He did, in a meaningless game where the title was already wrapped up. Neither of them have beaten Celtic in a game that has something riding on it.
 
Deckard said:
Questions rightly need asked of the manager. We are in a cycle of giving them time, letting them buy a load of diddies then sacking them. Rinse and repeat.
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Is Clement the 1 we stick with is the question?

A great run of results. A great win in betis.

All seems so long ago.


His attitude to old firm games and loses is very concerning
 
Albus said:
Lundstram, Borna, Souttar were a disgrace. Absolute bomb scares who caused all sorts of panic.

Those that came on, Raksin and Yilmaz in particular made a huge difference. Our best central defending pair of the season arguably was what was thrown together in a Pedro like gamble and that was Davies and Sterling.

An awful lot to do.
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Said it at the time and I've never changed my mind: Hearts is Souttar's level.
 
Their midfield over run us every game and each game we hope it will change. Tough to win the midfield battle when two of our worse performers on the day are Lundstram and Diomande.
 
Clay Davis said:
Shittingly fitting that Lundstrams last act mirrors his first.

shite red card costing us millions in champions league revenue.

Enjoy Turkey. Hopefully you get paid.
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I commented in my what's app group as well. What an arc he's had. Hated him then, loved him 2 years ago. Hate him now
 
BartoBear said:
100%, PC needs to be backed in the summer to get dross out and quality in, after that judge him. he's has had no budget so far and only been able to bring in loans or loans to buy, this summer will show us the boards ambition make no mistake!
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This is it man. Once the “leadership” team are gone and he gets a new squad in then it’s a blank canvas. Phil’s the most confident I’ve been in a manager for a long time. Back him and go for it. Sign players with an aggressive playing style and mentality and build a squad of them that fucking hate the dogs just like Gerrard had us doing and we’ll be fine.

Tav and Goldson in particular go with my very best wishes and they’ve played a hell of a lot of games for us but a change is long overdue.
 
Hopefully a lot of fans will stop kidding themselves now. This dross is the direct result of handing money to that used-car salesman Beale. The clown signed a basketball team, not a football team. No craft, guille or creativity. Rangers are a long-ball team. There's barely an ounce of football between that entire squad. There's fight, despite what some might say, but that will only ever carry the team so far. There's not a single player in that squad that is a proper footballer. This is why Ranngers will always fall short. Even in a season where they've had an injury crisis involving almost all of their big hitters, Rangers still don't have enough. If they'd kept their core players fit, the league would already have been won by them. Until Rangers are in a position to be able to sign quality footballers, this is the future. Most of our signings will come from the 'out of contract' section, which will never provide the quality required.
 
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