Why only Rangers and Celtic? What about Hibs and the others.Why Rangers and Celtic should be compensating child sex abuse victims a former first minister says.
Hibs will hopefully be paying out on our behalf.
Why only Rangers and Celtic? What about Hibs and the others.Why Rangers and Celtic should be compensating child sex abuse victims a former first minister says.
The thing is, of course the SFA are going to conclude nobody knew.
Directors of celtic went on to hold positions at the SFA. If celtic knew, then the SFA knew by default.
It sickens me that people that were complicit in this are held up as heroes. The story of Stein throwing Torbett out was told by many as an example of the mans character until people realised it truly showed what sort of character he was. Nobody wants to even acknowledge it now. There's numerous other Chinese whispers / urban legends about various celtic employees that should be clarified.
The allegation was dealt with properly in 1991.My understanding, is that the club lost the opportunity to set the narrative when one individual made an accusation of being abused when he was at Rangers, rather than investigate this accusation fully and treat the individual properly and fairly if the accusation was found to be true or accurate, someone at the club told him that the newco had no responsibility for these actions and to make a claim against the oldco.
If this is factual then we should hang our heads in shame, this was an excellent opportunity for us to deal properly with an isolated case and show the rest of Scotland and especially them and their cheerleaders how to address such accusations, it would've also given us the higher ground and heaped the pressure on them.
Obviously not dealing properly with these accusations has left the door wide open to us being dragged into this scandal as we all see whats happening now, I said at the time this would come back to bite us, why the powers at be at the club didn't see this is beyond belief, as obviously they would use any opportunity to drag us into regardless of the scale of whats happened at the cesspit.
I might add I'm unsure if this case relates to Neely or someone else.
Do the police even keep a record of every single thing phone call they get?That's the one, the same one who managed to get his "no record of Gordon Neely being reported to the police by Rangers" in it though.
It was letters sent by lawyers mate. Rangers were not directly involved in that disappointing incident.Unfortunately I think that this is correct.
I agree . If there's a wrongdoing it's not Rangers . Any blame lies at the feet of Hibs for not divulging what sort of person Neely was, a fact constantly overlooked by the mhediaAre there any victims currently relating to Rangers trying to get compensation? If there are and they are due it, it should be paid no question. But the only case I have seen is the Neely one, I believe? The one that was reported to the police. The one where the boys own father, a policeman himself, didn't want to take any further. Are there any more?
It was letters sent by lawyers mate. Rangers were not directly involved in that disappointing incident.
Proven. That being the pivotal word. ATM there are none. I could be wrong. But why do people come on and say pay this. Pay that. With no cases that went to court?
I'll see if I can find a link, it was the accusers council that brought it to light re the letter. The press then stamped their own narrative on it.Makes sense. Any link to something that backs it up? Was it prior to Dave King coming back in?
I still can’t get my head round why Hibs never informed Rangers on the reason Neely was removed from Easter rd, then He joined us.This is the big issue.
Unlike the six paedos convicted at Celtic, there hasn’t been a conviction of Neely.
I’m not trying to be an apologist, because he was obviously dodgy.
The club like no other are the only club who wittingly 're-employed an offender . Tommy Burns wanted another re-employed , again these are facts lost in the mhediaProven. That being the pivotal word. ATM there are none. I could be wrong. But why do people come on and say pay this. Pay that. With no cases that went to court?
"Neely would never have got the job at Rangers had the Ibrox club been aware of the fact he had been axed by Hibs for molesting two boys on the club’s books. Hibs said on Monday that the club had “no record” of any complaints against Neely while he was an employee.I still can’t get my head round why Hibs never informed Rangers on the reason Neely was removed from Easter rd, then He joined us.
Are there any victims currently relating to Rangers trying to get compensation? If there are and they are due it, it should be paid no question. But the only case I have seen is the Neely one, I believe? The one that was reported to the police. The one where the boys own father, a policeman himself, didn't want to take any further. Are there any more?
I still can’t get my head round why Hibs never informed Rangers on the reason Neely was removed from Easter rd, then He joined us.
The club like no other are the only club who wittingly 're-employed an offender . Tommy Burns wanted another re-employed , again these are facts lost in the mhedia
I hadn't realised that, words fail me.Don’t forget Strachan TAD.
He had already been convicted of child abuse before they brought him in as Secretary & Coach at Celtic East BC.
Fact ? Not in the report it isn't.Nobody? Seriously? Big Jock Knew. Fact.
I hadn't realised that, words fail me.
According to the "Report" Hibs were aware of allegations but couldn't "prove" them, so said nothing when they shifted Neely on to Rangers.I still can’t get my head round why Hibs never informed Rangers on the reason Neely was removed from Easter rd, then He joined us.
According to the "Report" Hibs were aware of allegations but couldn't "prove" them, so said nothing when they shifted Neely on to Rangers.
The report states that "The review concludes that it is possible that a number of people in Scottish football had cause for suspicion about D's alleged activities at the time."
Person "D" is believed to be Neely.
So there you are in the highlighted text a number of people had cause for suspicion but aren't named in the report and there is no indication of how the compilers of report knew that there were a number of people who had suspicions.
But Rangers should apologise anyway instead of the unnamed "number of people" ?
I believe the lad's Dad, brought it to the attention of Walter Smith who approached Graeme Souness, GS then dragged, literally, Neely along to Allistair Hood. GS also told Neely it would be better if he never met him again ( or words to that effect )How many were from Neely when he was at Rangers ?
Not even big jockBut But read the conclusions in the report "nobody knew"
Fact ? Not in the report it isn't.
Using the search facility for the report and searching for Jock or Stein returned no matches, surpriseNot even big jock
I read that post Grigo. I searched on the report for the word Waugh and would you believe it, "no matches found"@johnkp post above, 66, shows the previously released article that proves it was known.
And yet they ignore that publicly available evidence from years ago G36 ?
Funny, you’d think the Hibs chairman is SFA President if you didn’t know better ??????
I read that post Grigo. I searched on the report for the word Waugh and would you believe it, "no matches found.
That is also my understanding. Police Crime Reports were recorded on flimsy 3 section carbonated paper until the mid-late 90's. They were then stored in a warehouse which was flooded several times and many of the Reports were destroyed.No I'm sure it was along the lines of the police couldn't actually find the paper record of it after being stored and moved between buildings over the long period of time. That sort of record was never digitised and stored on computer. As far as I remember but happy to be corrected.
Basically they couldn't actually physically find it, which obviously sounds better than saying they could find no record of it which obviously implies that we lied about it.
Reporters are scum!
You're right Grigo , sometimes you try to remove these dirty bastards from your memoryDon’t forget Strachan TAD.
He had already been convicted of child abuse before they brought him in as Secretary & Coach at Celtic East BC.
You're right Grigo , sometimes you try to remove these dirty bastards from your memory
Rangers should get into the public narrative and demand a full public enquiry at a national level in order that transparency can prevail in this matter.It trully is beyond fucking disgusting that they try and portray this an OF issue
I believe your right, there are too many layers of coverup to work through. Get all of the facts straight on our part, then call it right out into the open by demanding a full independent public inquiry.Rangers should get into the public narrative and demand a full public enquiry at a national level in order that transparency can prevail in this matter.
This is the only proper way to lance this social boil.
At the moment the veil of confusion regarding this issue allows enemies of the club to manipulate the public discussion in order to assist the guilty clubs in spreading the blame with innuendos and half-truths.
Rangers should have nothing to hide, no one should ever hide from the truth, no one should ever step away from the truth in such a serious criminal matter.
Take the bull by the horns Rangers and force this issue out from the darkness that suits the Scottish establishment of corrupt politicians, cowardly sly press and media operatives and skulking football officials and force it into the light of the public glare.
But it does seem worth noting that Celtic arranged for a second tour of kids arses as soon as the worms started tucking into Stein.
None of this supposed record of events stands up to scrutiny.If you are referring to Torbett returning after Stein had died (Stein died in 1985), that is a myth which mysteriously went unchallenged for decades.
Torbett left in 1974.
Torbett returned in 1978, the same year in which Stein left.
Did Torbett come back as soon as the coast was clear (of Stein)?
Did Stein leave because Torbett was back or on his way back?
Either way, it is on record that Stein literally kicked Torbett out. Which means that he not only failed to call the police first time round, he then also choose to remain silent thus enabling a predator to come back in to do further damage.
So why would an apparently strong-willed man of the character of Stein, a man so angered to physically kick someone out the door, become mute four years later?
Add into mix the photo of Stein presenting Torbett with an award, believed to be around 1977.
Also the fact that Hugh Birt raised concerns about Torbett returning. Presumably this was also around the same time (1977-78).
The case of BJK really is a paradox.
None of this supposed record of events stands up to scrutiny.
That is why the entire issue requires a proper forensic enquiry.
The allegation was dealt with properly in 1991.
25 years later the man involved then raised the matter again along with it appears a claim for compensation.
The club disputes certain allegations made to the press and Mark Daly.
If you don’t know anything about the details I can’t see how you automatically conclude the club has done something wrong.
Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); 11/7/1998; McILWRAITH, GORDONThe thing is, of course the SFA are going to conclude nobody knew.
Directors of celtic went on to hold positions at the SFA. If celtic knew, then the SFA knew by default.
It sickens me that people that were complicit in this are held up as heroes. The story of Stein throwing Torbett out was told by many as an example of the mans character until people realised it truly showed what sort of character he was. Nobody wants to even acknowledge it now. There's numerous other Chinese whispers / urban legends about various celtic employees that should be clarified.
They can try as long as they want. We won’t stop in going after them. This is just the beginning.They are desperate to try and silence us, because we are the only ones wanting the scum held to account
Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); 11/7/1998; McILWRAITH, GORDON
JOCK Stein and the Celtic board covered up allegations made against Boys' Club founder Jim Torbett,
Mr Birt said: "There was a lot of hearsay and it wasn't until Jim came back that I got involved because things started up again."
He told how he took the allegations against Torbett to the Celtic board and Stein and even told the then vice-chairman, Kevin Kelly, about them at a meeting in his car.
He said: "Although there were people who spoke to me I couldn't go to the police without actual proof of the allegations. When I joined as chairman, I was told by Jock Stein to keep the name of Celtic Football Club clean at all times."
Billy McNeil said, on oath in a court of law, "It was an open secret at Parkhead"
What’s always puzzled me is why the kids dad never raised it with the police. Also what is the state of police retention of records on such things. Mark Daly was spooked by Desmond snarling at him if he supported Rangers. Daly has run for cover ever since where’s most decent journalists will have got the bit between their teeth. But then you also have to remember we are talking about the BBC who turned a blind eye to CSA for decades if Saville et al is anything to go by.
Correct.This has been posted on here before.
The last sentence was not part of the article quoted.
No matter the subject the celtc defence is always "aye but Rangers". Always.It trully is beyond fucking disgusting that they try and portray this an OF issue
This has been posted on here before.
The last sentence was not part of the article quoted.
May not have been part of the article quoted but McNeil did say that in court.Correct.
Jock Stein covered up sex claims to protect his Celtic; Trial told of order from manager. - Free Online Library
Free Online Library: Jock Stein covered up sex claims to protect his Celtic; Trial told of order from manager. by "Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland)"; News, opinion and commentary General interestwww.thefreelibrary.com
May not have been part of the article quoted but McNeil did say that in court.