Discipline before Rangers

[Al Needham Loyal]

Please be aware that this post initially contained a couple of errors in the calculations. This has now been rectified.

Looking into the numbers for Hagi, Aribo, Arfield and Lewis Ferguson (to show why I think he's dugshite), my interest has been piqued by how often players were booked before coming to us.

So because I'm sad like that, I've decided to do a quick card comparison for our team before Ibrox and since coming to Rangers (leaving out goalkeepers).

James Tavernier
Total: 467 appearances, 46 yellows (1:10.1)
Before Rangers: 135 appearances, 10 yellows (1:13.5)
Rangers: 332 appearances, 36 yellows (1:9.2)
Variance: 46.7% increase in card ratio

Connor Goldson
Total: 373 appearances, 56 yellows (1:6.7)
Before Rangers: 173 appearances, 27 yellows (1:6.4)
Rangers: 200 appearances, 29 yellows (1:6.9)
Variance: 7.8% decrease

Fillip Helander:
Total: 319 appearances, 34 yellows (1:9.4)
Before Rangers: 237 appearances, 28 yellows (1:8.5)
Rangers: 82 appearances, 6 yellows (1:13.7)
Variance: 60% decrease

Leon Balogun
Total: 417 appearances, 58 yellows (1:7.2)
Before Rangers: 349 appearances, 51 yellows (1:6.8)
Rangers: 68 appearances, 7 yellows (1:9.7)
Variance: 43% decrease

Borna Barisic
Total: 322 appearances, 49 yellows (1:6.6)
Before Rangers: 161 appearances, 23 yellows (1:7)
Rangers: 161 appearances, 26 yellows (1:6.2)
Variance: 12% increase

Ryan Jack
Total: 423 appearances, 46 yellows (1:9.2), 8 reds (1:52.9)
Before Rangers: 279 appearances, 31 yellows (1:9), 3 reds (1:93)
Rangers: 144 appearances, 15 yellows (1:9.6), 5 reds (1:28.8)
Variance: yellow: 4% decrease, 323% increase

Glen Kamara
Total: 250 appearances, 21 yellows (1:11.9), 1 red (1:250)
Before Rangers: 94 appearances, 7 yellows (1:13.4)
Rangers: 156 appearances, 14 yellows (1:11.1), 1 red
Variance: 20% increase

Steven Davis
Total: 740 appearances, 40 yellows (1:18.5)
Before Rangers: 383 appearances, 22 yellows (1:17.4)
Rangers: 357 appearances, 18 yellows (1:19.8)
Variance:13.8% decrease

Joe Aribo
Total: 253 appearances, 19 yellows (1:13.3)
Before Rangers: 121 appearances, 5 yellows (1:24.2)
Rangers: 132 appearances, 14 yellows (1:9.4)
Variance: 257% increase

Scott Arfield
Total: 597 appearances, 72 yellows (1:8.3), 3 reds (1:199)
Before Rangers: 463 appearances, 51 yellows (1:9.1), 2 reds (1:231.5)
Rangers: 177 appearances, 21 yellows (1:8.4) 1 red (1:177)
Variance: 8.3% increase in yellow, 30% increase in red

Ianis Hagi
Total: 275 appearances, 31 yellows (1:8.9)
Before Rangers: 175 appearances, 21 yellows (1:8.3)
Rangers: 100 appearances, 10 yellows (1:10)
Variance: 20% decrease

Ryan Kent
Total: 255 appearances, 16 yellows (1:15.9)
Before Rangers: 95 appearances, 7 yellows (1:13.6)
Rangers: 160 appearances, 9 yellows (1:17.7), 1 red (1:160)
Variance: 30% decrease in yellows.

Kemar Roofe
Total: 307 appearances, 20 yellows (1:15.4), 1 red (1:307)
Before Rangers: 240 appearances, 16 yellows (1:15)
Rangers: 67 appearances, 4 yellows (1:16.75), 1 red (1:67)
Variance: 11.7% decrease in yellows

Alfredo Morelos

Total: 291 appearances, 71 yellows (1:4.1), 8 reds (1:36.4)
Before Rangers: 75 appearances, 12 yellows (1:6.25)
Rangers: 216 appearances, 59 yellows (1:3.7), 8 reds (1:27)
Variance: 68.9% increase in yellows, never red carded before rangers.

You would expect that in a team who dominates possession, that most players would see a reduction in bookings etc as there's less tackling, less last ditch stuff.

Of the 14 players (regular starters) I've looked at, we see a reduction in only half of them.

For the others, let's look at the roles they play -
Tavernier is a full back but spends the majority of his time in the opposition half on the attack.

Ryan Jack - Did he become a dirtier player playing in a dominant midfield? I highly doubt it. He's not crunching into tackles, or leaving opponents on the ground, yet is 3x more likely to be sent off playing for us

Steven Davis - again, a player not known for tackling, but for passing. How did he post an increase playing in our midfield?

Joe Aribo - 2.5x more likely to be booked playing for us rather than in the Championship.

Alfredo Morelos - went from being carded roughly once in every 6 games to once in every 4. Never sent off before coming to us, then 8 times in 4 seasons.

What have these players got in common other than they play for us? These guys are our key players - the captain, our wingback who provide an unreal amount of assists, midfield anchors, creative force and talismanic striker. Its everything that let's us win games due to the formation and tactics we have employed - high press, quick passing, utilising the fullbacks as wingers. Nullify that with cheap bookings so we can't press, and we can't then push on and suffocate opposition.

 

[Gauche.]

Interesting reading, the Jack star is a tell take sign of how we are refereed.

 

[RWL12]

Interesting reading about a few players there.

Jack was obvious, then Morelos came along and was the new one to pick on.

 

[Rubyhardie]

Interesting reading, the Jack star is a tell take sign of how we are refereed.

I’d never have thought he’d been sent off 5 times with us. I can only think of 2 just now

 

[Bluebeard]

Well done OP

We should highlight more of this stuff as it’s glaringly obvious we are referred to a different standard and when you see the knackers yellow card to foul ratio is really screams corruption

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

For more context around Hagi, 20 of his 31 yellows were in Romania as a 16 - 18 year old.

I think more than the Jack and Morelos stats, the Aribo one jumps out at me as being a shocking increase.

 

[Rubyhardie]

I’d never have thought he’d been sent off 5 times with us. I can only think of 2 just now

4 reds in 22 appearances in his first season. My memory is gone. ( I had to look that up)

 

[55 and counting]

Not had your hole in a while ,eh?

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

I’d never have thought he’d been sent off 5 times with us. I can only think of 2 just now

Hibs

Aberdeen

Kilmarnock (around 1m in)

Hamilton (2 yellows)

Young Boys (2 yellows)

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Not had your hole in a while ,eh?

Married nearly 17 years...

 

[Rubyhardie]

Thank you TR

 

[SW Bear]

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a yellow card every 9 games after he joins us it's a yellow card every 3 games.

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a red card every 93 games after he joins us it's a red card every 29 games.

This is the SAME referees in the SAME league and some people think the officials apply the rules equally!!?

 

[Salsabear]

Top post.

Makes horrific reading and clearly shows what we’re up against.

Just wish someone would call it out.

 

[monkey magic]

We play against a loaded dice every week. That much has been obvious for years.

 

[RWL12]

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a yellow card every 9 games after he joins us it's a yellow card every 3 games.

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a red card every 93 games after he joins us it's a red card every 29 games.

This is the SAME referees in the SAME league and some people think the officials apply the rules equally!!?

That's why his is most frustrating. It's not domestic v Europe refs or him coming from another country or league.

He just put on a blue top and suddenly refereed different.

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a yellow card every 9 games after he joins us it's a yellow card every 3 games.

So before ryan jack joins rangers on average he gets a red card every 93 games after he joins us it's a red card every 29 games.

This is the SAME referees in the SAME league and some people think the officials apply the rules equally!!?

Yup.

I think the context of his role is equally important - when he joined and was playing the same role as he did at Aberdeen, this saw the biggest increase in him being carded.

Gerrard tweaking his role and introducing the high press has been the big difference I think. The high press is another reason why our defenders should all be seeing a decrease in bookings imo.

 

[ElBufalo72]

Interesting reading, the Jack star is a tell take sign of how we are refereed.

Some of the red cards for Jack early in his career with us were utterly laughable.

 

[monkey magic]

Celtc again this season have been awarded 10-15 points for games in any other League they would never have won. They should be sitting mid-table. Our players, however, can expect yellow and red cards for incidents they would never have received such sanctions before at their prior clubs. It has a direct impact on our challenge for the title every season.

 

[SW Bear]

Yup.

I think the context of his role is equally important - when he joined and was playing the same role as he did at Aberdeen, this saw the biggest increase in him being carded.

Gerrard tweaking his role and introducing the high press has been the big difference I think. The high press is another reason why our defenders should all be seeing a decrease in bookings imo.

Agreed - you have also got to assume that as rangers have far more possession of the ball than the Aberdeen teams he played and therefore he would have had much less need to make tackles to win back possession.

I think this season we have seen a return to what happened in gerrards first two seasons.

Opposition players being allowed to stop rangers playing and rangers players by any means the saw fit with utter disinterest from the officials, while they couldn't wait to step in and take action against rangers players for innocuous or non existent challenges (the latest being ryan Kent being sent off at pittodrie with clancy running 20 yards with both cards in his hand to administer 'justice')

 

[RTamID]

Great work OP and a good read!!

 

[Weetoonblue]

Interesting reading, the Jack star is a tell take sign of how we are refereed.

Most definitely.

No way he would have that number of bookings if he had signed for that lot.

Look what Brown got away with and still does.

 

[WDYGH]

Interesting reading, the Jack star is a tell take sign of how we are refereed.

Yes, those stats are truly horrific. A clear sign that we are refereed to a different standard.

This is stats from our own league, not other foreign leagues where officiating may be different. (Aka better and less corrupt).

 

[Weetoonblue]

Looking into the numbers for Hagi, Aribo, Arfield and Lewis Ferguson (to show why I think he's dugshite), my interest has been piqued by how often players were booked before coming to us.

So because I'm sad like that, I've decided to do a quick card comparison for our team before Ibrox and since coming to Rangers (leaving out goalkeepers).

James Tavernier
Total: 467 appearances, 46 yellows (1:10.1)
Before Rangers: 135 appearances, 10 yellows (1:13.5)
Rangers: 332 appearances, 36 yellows (1:9.2)
Variance: 46.7% increase in card ratio

Connor Goldson
Total: 373 appearances, 56 yellows (1:6.7)
Before Rangers: 173 appearances, 27 yellows (1:6.4)
Rangers: 200 appearances, 29 yellows (1:6.9)
Variance: 7.8% increase

Fillip Helander:
Total: 319 appearances, 34 yellows (1:9.4)
Before Rangers: 237 appearances, 28 yellows (1:8.5)
Rangers: 82 appearances, 6 yellows (1:13.7)
Variance: 60% decrease

Leon Balogun
Total: 417 appearances, 58 yellows (1:7.2)
Before Rangers: 349 appearances, 51 yellows (1:6.8)
Rangers: 68 appearances, 7 yellows (1:9.7)
Variance: 43% increase

Borna Barisic
Total: 322 appearances, 49 yellows (1:6.6)
Before Rangers: 161 appearances, 23 yellows (1:7)
Rangers: 161 appearances, 26 yellows (1:6.2)
Variance: 12% decrease

Ryan Jack
Total: 423 appearances, 46 yellows (1:9.2), 8 reds (1:52.9)
Before Rangers: 279 appearances, 31 yellows (1:9), 3 reds (1:93)
Rangers: 144 appearances, 46 yellows (1:3.1), 5 reds (1:28.8)
Variance: yellow: 290% increase, 323% increase

Glen Kamara
Total: 250 appearances, 21 yellows (1:11.9), 1 red (1:250)
Before Rangers: 94 appearances, 7 yellows
Rangers: 156 appearances, 14 yellows (1:11.1), 1 red
Variance: 7% decrease

Steven Davis
Total: 740 appearances, 40 yellows (1:18.5)
Before Rangers: 383 appearances, 22 yellows (1:17.4)
Rangers: 357 appearances, 18 yellows (1:19.8)
Variance:13.8% increase

Joe Aribo
Total: 253 appearances, 19 yellows (1:13.3)
Before Rangers: 121 appearances, 5 yellows (1:24.2)
Rangers: 132 appearances, 14 yellows (1:9.4)
Variance: 257% increase

Scott Arfield
Total: 597 appearances, 72 yellows (1:8.3), 3 reds (1:199)
Before Rangers: 463 appearances, 51 yellows (1:9.1), 2 reds (1:231.5)
Rangers: 177 appearances, 21 yellows (1:8.4) 1 red (1:177)
Variance: 8.3% decrease in yellow, 30% increase in red

Ianis Hagi
Total: 275 appearances, 31 yellows (1:8.9)
Before Rangers: 175 appearances, 21 yellows (1:8.3)
Rangers: 100 appearances, 10 yellows (1:10)
Variance: 20% decrease

Ryan Kent
Total: 255 appearances, 16 yellows (1:15.9)
Before Rangers: 95 appearances, 7 yellows
Rangers: 160 appearances, 9 yellows (1:17.7), 1 red (1:160)
Variance: 11% decrease in yellows.

Kemar Roofe
Total: 307 appearances, 20 yellows (1:15.4), 1 red (1:307)
Before Rangers: 240 appearances, 16 yellows (1:15)
Rangers: 67 appearances, 4 yellows (1:16.75), 1 red (1:67)
Variance: 11.7% decrease in yellows

Alfredo Morelos

Total: 291 appearances, 71 yellows (1:4.1), 8 reds (1:36.4)
Before Rangers: 75 appearances, 12 yellows (1:6.25)
Rangers: 216 appearances, 59 yellows (1:3.7), 8 reds (1:27)
Variance: 68.9% increase in yellows, never red carded before rangers.

You would expect that in a team who dominates possession, that most players would see a reduction in bookings etc as there's less tackling, less last ditch stuff.

Of the 14 players (regular starters) I've looked at, we see a reduction in only half of them.

For the others, let's look at the roles they play -
Tavernier is a full back but spends the majority of his time in the opposition half on the attack.

Goldson and Balogun are centre backs - fair enough - you'd expect them to pick up bookings (though maybe not to the extent Balogun gets booked) and I would still expect their bookings to have gone down as part of a dominant, possession based team.

Ryan Jack - Did he become a dirtier player playing in a dominant midfield? I highly doubt it. He's not crunching into tackles, or leaving opponents on the ground, yet is 3x more likely to be booked playing for us

Steven Davis - again, a player not known for tackling, but for passing. How did he post an increase playing in our midfield?

Joe Aribo - 2.5x more likely to be booked playing for us rather than in the Championship.

Alfredo Morelos - went from being carded roughly once in every 6 games to once in every 4. Never sent off before coming to us, then 8 times in 4 seasons.

What have these players got in common other than they play for us? These guys are our key players - the captain, vice captain, midfield anchors, creative force and talismanic striker.

Thanks for taking the time to research this as I will use this tomorrow when a colleague starts his nonsense that we get away with more decisions than any other team in Scotland.

 

[Salsabear]

We play against a loaded dice every week. That much has been obvious for years.

We should have a Nathan Detroit banner.

Get the Union Bears blasting out the soundtrack to Guys And Dolls.

 

[Coop1872]

Don't expect you to do it OP but I wonder what the before and after stats are like for the other mob's signings.

 

[Bounty Hunter]

Great to see those stats in detail. They aren't telling us anything new though, the referees in this country are all incompotent and many are outright cheats.

 

[Brian Laudrup]

Excellent bit of detective work TR

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Don't expect you to do it OP but I wonder what the before and after stats are like for the other mob's signings.

I'll do one

Scott Brown
716 appearances, 171 yellow (1:4.2), 8 red (1:89.5)
Hibs: p74 y21 (1:3.5) r1 (1:74)
Celtic: p616, y142 (1:4.3), r7 (1:88)
Aberdeen: p32 y8 (1:4)

Hibs+Aberdeen: p106, y29 (1:3.7), r1 (1: 106)

Variance: 16% decrease in yellow cards at celtic overall, though compared to Hibs, 23% decrease.
Reds: 20% less likely to be sent off playing for that lot.


Incidentally, in Europe, his bookings are much closer to the average
P128, y38 (1:3.4), r1

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Greg taylor
Played 241, 24 yellows (1:10), 1 red (1:241)
Kilmarnock: 138 games, 19 yellows (1:7.3), 1 red (1:138)
Celtic: 103, 5 yellows (1:20.6), 0 reds
Variance: 283% less likely to be carded playing for celtic

Ryan Christie
ICT P76 y4 (1:19) r2(1:38)
Aberdeen p62 y8(1:7.75) r1(1:62)
Bournemouth p25 y4 (1:6.25)
Total p163, y16(1:10.2), r3 (1:54.3)

Celtic
P174 y14 (1:12.4),r1 (1:174)

Variance: 18% decrease in yellows Celtic, 320% decrease in reds. The anti-Ryan Jack apparently.

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Calum McGregor
P462, y26 r2

Notts county
P46, y3 (1:15.3)
Celtic
P416 y23 (1:18.1), r2 (1:208)
Variance 18% less likely to be booked playing for celtic


Griffiths
P557 y67 r3

Livi p52 y5 (1:10.4) r1 (1:52)
Dundee p81, y17 (1:4.8), r2 (1:40.5)
Wolves p34, y1 (1:34)
Hibs p78, y14 (1:5.6)
Total 245, y37 (1:6.6), r3 (1:81.7)

Celtic p302, y30 (1:10.1) r0
Variance 53% less likely to be booked playing for celtic.

 

[Deaf Dumb & Blind Kid]

Agree with your overall point mate but I'm also sad like you and I think some of your "increases" and "decreases" are the wrong way round e.g.

Leon Balogun
Total: 417 appearances, 58 yellows (1:7.2)
Before Rangers: 349 appearances, 51 yellows (1:6.8)
Rangers: 68 appearances, 7 yellows (1:9.7)
Variance: 43% increase

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Agree with your overall point mate but I'm also sad like you and I think some of your "increases" and "decreases" are the wrong way round e.g.

Leon Balogun
Total: 417 appearances, 58 yellows (1:7.2)
Before Rangers: 349 appearances, 51 yellows (1:6.8)
Rangers: 68 appearances, 7 yellows (1:9.7)
Variance: 43% increase

Thanks for pointing it out

I'll double check them just now.

 

[Davidmckrangers]

Married nearly 17 years...

That explains it

 

[GazzaG]

4 reds in 22 appearances in his first season. My memory is gone. ( I had to look that up)

I'm sure his first 22 games have the same amount of red cards as browns 13 years at the filth.

Some on here will tell you that refs just aren't very good though.

 

[Fergie_6]

Hagi loves a yellow card.

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

Agree with your overall point mate but I'm also sad like you and I think some of your "increases" and "decreases" are the wrong way round e.g.

Leon Balogun
Total: 417 appearances, 58 yellows (1:7.2)
Before Rangers: 349 appearances, 51 yellows (1:6.8)
Rangers: 68 appearances, 7 yellows (1:9.7)
Variance: 43% increase

Edited to fix.

Apologies to anyone who was misled by my errors.

 

[GazzaG]

Edited to fix.

Apologies to anyone who was misled by my errors.

I think you've got Jacks bookings wrong mate.

Transfermarkt has him on 46 career bookings. 15 Rangers, 31 sheep.

 

[Al Needham Loyal]

I think you've got Jacks bookings wrong mate.

Transfermarkt has him on 46 career bookings. 15 Rangers, 31 sheep.

(fixed) - got too caught up in him being 3x more likely to be sent off.