It is your point. And the fact that you aren't offering practical suggestions, only fluffy ideas that you're not even fully committed to.
That is exactly, to the infinitely smallest point, what we are all here for. This is a messageboard, not the All Thing (Simmons reference!). It is a place where we can, with little or no consequence, chat about ideas, roll them around and see what we think about them, as well as other people's ideas. It is 100% not a requirement to be 100% invested in any topic you decide to bring up to enter into debate. At all.
C1872 needs a proper structure and purpose. I'm clear on what that structure and purpose needs to be.
Yet you are not sharing with them or us? Why?
C1872 then needs to be clear about its intention. It wants to hold a significant shareholding in the club. Fans can back them or not.
C1872 then needs a clear business case/investment prospectus as to how it intends to buy Dave King's shares. Fans can scrutinise it and make an informed decision.
At that point you either have a functioning fans body with a clear structure, an engaged membership and a process in place to achieve its purpose. You also have a governance structure in place that gives fans a degree of protection and assurance going forward.
I 100% agree with you. To the letter. Every damned syllable and word. Every inflection and hint contained within is agreed upon entirely by myself. All of it. Every last little bit.
It's 100% about the vision. It isn't about the personality. But when the person is so unclear about the vision then it absolutely means a complete disagreement. I have absolutely no personal issues with anybody on FF. But if they can't commit to a clear vision of what they want and what they believe in? There's no real basis for a constructive discussion because there's nothing to discuss. At least have the courage to nail down what you really really want. Folk might disagree, but at least you've taken a proper position.
Let me get this right? Unless I am an expert in fan ownership who can lay out exactly how I want it to work I am not allowed to discuss it? Are you freaking kidding me?
I DO NOT KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO IT!!!
Said clearly and concisely with NO fear of ridicule or or contempt.
What I DO want to happen is for people to discuss it, reach consensus, engage with people who know better, employ them, even, and LEARN the best way to make it happen. That happens when someone throws an off the cuff idea out, someone else agrees with a part but sees an issue, someone like you sheds some light on the practicalities and at the end, we ALL have a greater understanding than we started with. You are trying to tell me that this is wrong? That unless I am 100% convinced of my 'fag packet maths' non idea, I am not allowed to bring it up? That is a joke.
As things stand, there is very little, perhaps no, chance of this working. It needs help, guidance, manpower, people chatting, people investing time and effort.
I am willing to do all of that. You are willing to do absolutely nothing.
Time you left the discussion I believe.