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Why European football matches might finally be coming to the U.S.​

Adam Crafton
Apr 16, 2024
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In the final week of February, the University of South Carolina announced that its 77,559-capacity Williams-Brice Stadium had secured a friendly match between Premier League rivals Manchester United and Liverpool.

The match, which will take place on August 3, sold out within three hours. The outlay, including fees, started in the low three-figures but under “dynamic pricing”, supporters reported how prices shot up as the supply reduced. The Charleston newspaper The Post and Courier described tickets being snapped up at “Taylor Swift-ness”. Another regional publication said the pace of ticket sales outshone concerts for Beyonce and Jay-Z at the same stadium in 2018.
This is now becoming an annual story in North America. Last summer, Manchester United and Arsenal sold out MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. It was the highest-grossing friendly on record for either team, in any territory, while also becoming the highest-grossing club soccer match at MetLife since the stadium opened in 2010. This summer, the same venue will host the Spanish Clasico between Real Madrid and Barcelona. When The Athletic searched StubHub this weekend for available tickets, the “best price” quoted was $846 (£680) for a seat.

This, therefore, is frighteningly big business for leading European teams and this, we should remember, is for games that offer zero jeopardy and often throw up under-par selections, as coaches rotate heavily in pre-season. Yet what if there were to be a world where the games that truly mattered, involving Europe’s most famous teams, did land in North America?

After the events of the past week, this scenario is now more realistic than ever before. On April 8, a resolution filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan revealed the New York City-based event promoter Relevent Sports would drop FIFA as a defendant in its antitrust lawsuit against FIFA and the U.S. Soccer Federation. Without getting too wrapped up in the legalese, the thrust of the matter is as follows:

Relevent Sports is a promoter, founded by the billionaire Stephen Ross, who is also the owner of NFL team Miami Dolphins. Relevent has developed close ties with many of Europe’s foremost clubs, as for over a decade it has organised exhibition matches in the United States, while it has also been trusted by UEFA, the organiser of the Champions League and Europa League, to sell its media rights in North America.


In 2022, Relevent helped secure a 2.5x uplift on the previous deal when Paramount Global agreed a six-year package worth $1.5billion to broadcast UEFA competitions. In 2018, Relevent agreed a 15-year deal with Spain’s La Liga, and since secured an eight-year, $1.4billion deal with ESPN for La Liga matches, swiftly followed by $600million from television rights in Mexico and Central America. In the context of this story, therefore, it is important to keep in mind that Relevent are not nascent start-up disruptors, but a firmly established operation with their tentacles already encircling European football.

Relevent became a concern for FIFA, and by extension U.S. Soccer when, in 2018, the promoter sought to bring a La Liga fixture between Barcelona and Girona to Miami. Later that year, the FIFA Council issued a directive blocking the idea, saying that official domestic games must be staged in the league’s home territory.

In the following year, Relevent then sought to play an Ecuadorean domestic fixture in Miami, only for U.S. Soccer, whose approval would be needed as the federation of the territory where the game was proposed, to deny the application and cite the previous FIFA directive. Since then, Relevent has been engaged in a five-year legal battle against both FIFA and U.S. Soccer, arguing that the parties have conspired to prevent Relevent from hosting regular-season matches involving foreign clubs in the U.S., thus violating U.S. antitrust law designed to prevent unjust collusion or monopolies.

It had become background noise, until last Monday when FIFA were dropped from the lawsuit and the two parties announced a settlement, although details of it were not disclosed. Relevent CEO Danny Sillman, however, provided a clue, saying FIFA will “consider changes to its existing rules about whether games can be played outside of a league’s home territory”. In a matter such as this, it is difficult to imagine what a settlement could actually be; there is not exactly a half-way house because either games will either be permitted or not be permitted. Crucially, the matter was dismissed without prejudice, meaning Relevent can re-open the case at any time, while U.S. Soccer remain a defendant in the case that may be heard in the Supreme Court later this year.

Over the past week, The Athletic has made plenty of phone calls on this subject, to promoters, governing bodies, federations, domestic leagues and club executives. It is striking how, at this moment, next to nobody is prepared to put their name to quotes on the matter. For Relevent, FIFA and U.S. Soccer, that is because the sensitivity of the legal matters is too high. For governing bodies, leagues and club executives, it is perceived as the thorniest of politics. Under the veil of anonymity, however, clues to football’s future emerge.

One official familiar with the process says: “Literally everything is on the table right now and the the soccer world in five years could resemble a version of what it looks right now, or it could look radically different, and neither would surprise me.”

With more and more NFL games taking place outwith the USA, potentially the same could soon be happening with some of europes biggest matches
 
Im genuinely surprised its not happened yet to be honest. I would have thought they'd have started with pimping out the charity shield to the US, Saudi, Far East etc as a tester. Am I right in saying Italy already do that with thier equivalent match? (sure I saw that it has been played in Saudi the last few years)
 

Why European football matches might finally be coming to the U.S.​

Adam Crafton
Apr 16, 2024
323

Follow live coverage of Manchester City vs Real Madrid and Bayern Munich vs Arsenal in the Champions League today
In the final week of February, the University of South Carolina announced that its 77,559-capacity Williams-Brice Stadium had secured a friendly match between Premier League rivals Manchester United and Liverpool.

The match, which will take place on August 3, sold out within three hours. The outlay, including fees, started in the low three-figures but under “dynamic pricing”, supporters reported how prices shot up as the supply reduced. The Charleston newspaper The Post and Courier described tickets being snapped up at “Taylor Swift-ness”. Another regional publication said the pace of ticket sales outshone concerts for Beyonce and Jay-Z at the same stadium in 2018.
This is now becoming an annual story in North America. Last summer, Manchester United and Arsenal sold out MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. It was the highest-grossing friendly on record for either team, in any territory, while also becoming the highest-grossing club soccer match at MetLife since the stadium opened in 2010. This summer, the same venue will host the Spanish Clasico between Real Madrid and Barcelona. When The Athletic searched StubHub this weekend for available tickets, the “best price” quoted was $846 (£680) for a seat.

This, therefore, is frighteningly big business for leading European teams and this, we should remember, is for games that offer zero jeopardy and often throw up under-par selections, as coaches rotate heavily in pre-season. Yet what if there were to be a world where the games that truly mattered, involving Europe’s most famous teams, did land in North America?

After the events of the past week, this scenario is now more realistic than ever before. On April 8, a resolution filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan revealed the New York City-based event promoter Relevent Sports would drop FIFA as a defendant in its antitrust lawsuit against FIFA and the U.S. Soccer Federation. Without getting too wrapped up in the legalese, the thrust of the matter is as follows:

Relevent Sports is a promoter, founded by the billionaire Stephen Ross, who is also the owner of NFL team Miami Dolphins. Relevent has developed close ties with many of Europe’s foremost clubs, as for over a decade it has organised exhibition matches in the United States, while it has also been trusted by UEFA, the organiser of the Champions League and Europa League, to sell its media rights in North America.


In 2022, Relevent helped secure a 2.5x uplift on the previous deal when Paramount Global agreed a six-year package worth $1.5billion to broadcast UEFA competitions. In 2018, Relevent agreed a 15-year deal with Spain’s La Liga, and since secured an eight-year, $1.4billion deal with ESPN for La Liga matches, swiftly followed by $600million from television rights in Mexico and Central America. In the context of this story, therefore, it is important to keep in mind that Relevent are not nascent start-up disruptors, but a firmly established operation with their tentacles already encircling European football.

Relevent became a concern for FIFA, and by extension U.S. Soccer when, in 2018, the promoter sought to bring a La Liga fixture between Barcelona and Girona to Miami. Later that year, the FIFA Council issued a directive blocking the idea, saying that official domestic games must be staged in the league’s home territory.

In the following year, Relevent then sought to play an Ecuadorean domestic fixture in Miami, only for U.S. Soccer, whose approval would be needed as the federation of the territory where the game was proposed, to deny the application and cite the previous FIFA directive. Since then, Relevent has been engaged in a five-year legal battle against both FIFA and U.S. Soccer, arguing that the parties have conspired to prevent Relevent from hosting regular-season matches involving foreign clubs in the U.S., thus violating U.S. antitrust law designed to prevent unjust collusion or monopolies.

It had become background noise, until last Monday when FIFA were dropped from the lawsuit and the two parties announced a settlement, although details of it were not disclosed. Relevent CEO Danny Sillman, however, provided a clue, saying FIFA will “consider changes to its existing rules about whether games can be played outside of a league’s home territory”. In a matter such as this, it is difficult to imagine what a settlement could actually be; there is not exactly a half-way house because either games will either be permitted or not be permitted. Crucially, the matter was dismissed without prejudice, meaning Relevent can re-open the case at any time, while U.S. Soccer remain a defendant in the case that may be heard in the Supreme Court later this year.

Over the past week, The Athletic has made plenty of phone calls on this subject, to promoters, governing bodies, federations, domestic leagues and club executives. It is striking how, at this moment, next to nobody is prepared to put their name to quotes on the matter. For Relevent, FIFA and U.S. Soccer, that is because the sensitivity of the legal matters is too high. For governing bodies, leagues and club executives, it is perceived as the thorniest of politics. Under the veil of anonymity, however, clues to football’s future emerge.

One official familiar with the process says: “Literally everything is on the table right now and the the soccer world in five years could resemble a version of what it looks right now, or it could look radically different, and neither would surprise me.”

With more and more NFL games taking place outwith the USA, potentially the same could soon be happening with some of europes biggest matches
"Finally"
%^*& sake, its as if they feel it's thier right and the clubs are being mean not playing ball!
 
Scottish clubs, including us, would come nowhere near to filling stadiums abroad like the EPL clubs do.

No-one is interested in Scottish football outside of Scotland. And that's completely understandable.
Who said they would though?

This will be Real Madrid, Juventus, Man United etc. I'm sure everyone knows this.
 
You know the games dead when football is dictated by arabs and yanks, neither of whom have any active historical form of attachment to the game.
It sickens me, while it’s not our club yet, there will be fans of Barca Madrid etc that won’t get to see their club. Can you imagine a season ticket and the home derby is in America.
 
It sickens me, while it’s not our club yet, there will be fans of Barca Madrid etc that won’t get to see their club. Can you imagine a season ticket and the home derby is in America.
F*ck the real fans, sell the home tickets to the tourists. They'll pay more, and spend more
 
Id guarantee a full house at an OF league game in Toronto or New York
No chance mate. And even if it was it would be full of Oirsh.

I went to see us in Florida in 2018 and we all saw the small number of bears.

And the last time we played in Australia numbers were hardly incredible either.

We have some ex-pats dotted about some of the Commonwealth countries and the U.S, but outwith that we don't actually have this mythical massive worldwide support that people seem to think exists.
 
Last Supercoppa Italia was played in Saudi. Only a matter of time before they test the water with the Charity Shield and maybe the UEFA Super Cup.
 
No chance mate. And even if it was it would be full of Oirsh.

I went to see us in Florida in 2018 and we all saw the small number of bears.

And the last time we played in Australia numbers were hardly incredible either.

We have some ex-pats dotted about some of the Commonwealth countries and the U.S, but outwith that we don't actually have this mythical massive worldwide support that people seem to think exists.
They were meaningless friendlies. Ibrox wasn't rammed for the preseason games but is for European and League games. You cant compare the Florida Cup to and OF league game in Toronto, where it certainly wouldn't be full of Oirsh.

Its all moot anyway as no way we are playing a league game abroad
 
The LIV golf of football
Football is not for the fans anymore it’s more a corporate day out to show off for the TV
Just look at the price of the CL final tickets!!
It affects not only the final, UEFA demand certain seats for corporate at your ground. When I was in GR5 we got moved every other year and you could see your seat empty at times when it wasn’t the game v the likes of ManU.
 
They were meaningless friendlies. Ibrox wasn't rammed for the preseason games but is for European and League games. You cant compare the Florida Cup to and OF league game in Toronto, where it certainly wouldn't be full of Oirsh.

Its all moot anyway as no way we are playing a league game abroad
EPL clubs and the two Spanish clubs fill stadia anywhere in the world for meaningless friendlies.

I still maintain that the size of our overseas fanbase is nowhere near what people make it out to be.

But yes, we won't be doing it anyway - thankfully.
 
Great. Normal fans priced out of watching their team again. Money, money money, that’s all these parasites care about.

If we take money out of the equation, it makes no sense. Making teams and fans travel silly distances to see their team.

It’d be like be scrapping regional qualifiers for the World Cup and Scotland playing away to India on the Saturday, play Botswana at Hampden on a Wednesday night then be away to Tuvalu on the following Saturday.
 
Last Supercoppa Italia was played in Saudi. Only a matter of time before they test the water with the Charity Shield and maybe the UEFA Super Cup.
Been played there for a while, usually.

First one I remember in Saudi was 2018.

I know it’s not a major trophy, but it’s still nonsense that a domestic trophy like that gets played abroad.

spot on, the super cup will end up there soon.
 
Yassss, great for the game and a progressive step for overseas fans

I'm kidding of course, but when leagues, competitions and associations seem intent on selling themselves to the highest bidder year on yeat, the corporations paying the money will start asking for more
 
Scottish clubs, including us, would come nowhere near to filling stadiums abroad like the EPL clubs do.

No-one is interested in Scottish football outside of Scotland. And that's completely understandable.
This

Only way it would be a full stadium is if we played a Man Utd , Madrid and the like
And it wouldn’t be full of our fans
 
Only major nation that won’t will be Germany as their fans would go mental and rightly so

Spanish, Italians and English teams will 100% jump at the chance
I don't think the English FA, nor a Government of either Conservatives or Labour, would allow that.

The other too, I'm sure they would.
 
Reasonably sure the Italian super cup was first played in New York in the 1990s.
And I am sure more recently that celtic tried to get Dundee or similar to play a league game in Boston.
Money is the only thing that matters for some people involved in modern football governance.
 
Id guarantee a full house at an OF league game in Toronto or New York
If a league game got moved fans would definitely protest but don’t think it would be at the same level as the friendly fiasco. We’d be compelled to play them in the league, we’re not compelled to play them in friendlies

I’d be against the idea but I know there would be tens of thousands who’d want to go
 
Wish all the greedy oil and scumbag clubs just piss off and leave. They'll quickly find out no one is interested in them.
 
Who goes to these games? Can’t all be ex-pat proper supporters, and there’s not that many American football (ie sawker) fans.
Get it with the Spanish teams as they appeal to the Hispanic population in these cities.
 
Reasonably sure the Italian super cup was first played in New York in the 1990s.
And I am sure more recently that celtic tried to get Dundee or similar to play a league game in Boston.
Money is the only thing that matters for some people involved in modern football governance.
It was Dundee wanting to play Celtic on St Paddy's day in Boston. They were making noises months in advance and when the fixtures were released Dundee were at home to Celtic on St Paddy's day.

The pie man suggested that Hearts play Celtic in. Australia when Hearts were in big debt before Romanov bought them.

This is not a new idea and eventually a Spanish competitive fixture will take place in the USA. Won't happen with English or German teams.

The Celtic Irish diaspora is greatly exaggerated too.
 
Imagine being a Man Unt fan who followed your club all around Europe get to the Champions League Final and then move it to LA or Dallas or something
 
''thus violating U.S. antitrust law designed to prevent unjust collusion or monopolies.''

Very clever this, get two associations to refuse your request then accuse them of conspiring against you.
 
£600 for a friendly :D :D

Fools and their money indeed.

The only reason I’m considering Murrayfield is for the day out in Edinburgh before and after, not the half-arsed “football” from players lacking in fitness.


The gentrification of our sport has a lot of parallels with the corporate world in its inate short-termism and lack of consideration about those people who underpin the entire operation.
 
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