If we get Kent back, keep Alfie, and Tav: Would you be satisfied with our squad?

indianabluenose

indianabluenose

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For me if we keep Kent, all the business I would see left is off loading players we don’t rate. I think we would have the cash to jump on a good deal but I think our squad is fit for purpose as is.
 
Camby_bear72 said:
Sorry but I'm done with Alfie, too much baggage he will be targeted even more this season. Sell him for as much as possible and strengthen the positions that need it.
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I can see that argument. But he is a young guy he could wise up and increase his value if he behaves himself. I think Gerrard would need to put his boot up the buffalo’s ass but could work.
 
In a dream world, we'll offload Herrera, Lafferty, Dodoo, Rossiter, Holt, Alnwick, Grezda, Lafferty & Dorrans. That would save £50k+ per week on the wage bill, even if we didn't get a fee for them (though we probably will make at least a couple of million from them in total).

We'd loan out a few youngsters and save a bit more on the wage bill.

We'd then spend that entire wage bill saving plus the transfer fees recouped on a top class loan player like Andre Gray. If we qualified for the Europa group stages again, a player like that would give us a huge chance of getting into the next round which would pay for the investment itself. That's not to mention the damage a player like that would do domestically.

I'd rather get a young prospect in at left back - we've had players come through the youth academy and do a turn for us at full back in the past, so a young prospect can do a job there when needed, and otherwise learn from the likes of Barisic & Flanagan, who would largely be rotated based on form. I'd be talking about a £1m investment in that position, so a good player but not the finished article.

Besides those two, we'd probably need around £1m-£2m spent on another centre back and we'd be sorted.

I realise this is a lot of ifs and buts, and some players might not go etc etc...but that would be an ideal scenario for me.
 
JMTrangers said:
In a dream world, we'll offload Herrera, Lafferty, Dodoo, Rossiter, Holt, Alnwick, Grezda, Lafferty & Dorrans. That would save £50k+ per week on the wage bill, even if we didn't get a fee for them (though we probably will make at least a couple of million from them in total).

We'd loan out a few youngsters and save a bit more on the wage bill.

We'd then spend that entire wage bill saving plus the transfer fees recouped on a top class loan player like Andre Gray. If we qualified for the Europa group stages again, a player like that would give us a huge chance of getting into the next round which would pay for the investment itself. That's not to mention the damage a player like that would do domestically.

I'd rather get a young prospect in at left back - we've had players come through the youth academy and do a turn for us at full back in the past, so a young prospect can do a job there when needed, and otherwise learn from the likes of Barisic & Flanagan, who would largely be rotated based on form. I'd be talking about a £1m investment in that position, so a good player but not the finished article.

Besides those two, we'd probably need around £1m-£2m spent on another centre back and we'd be sorted.

I realise this is a lot of ifs and buts, and some players might not go etc etc...but that would be an ideal scenario for me.
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How many of those guys you think we can off load?
 
I get everyone's points re Alfie, but can you wholeheartedly say you trust him not to get involved with something stupid? The brown red was total stupidity, we can't have players like that this year, every team targets him and more often than not he reacts. Defoe will be getting the same treatment from them but he doesn't react. It's as simple as that.
 
Camby_bear72 said:
I get everyone's points re Alfie, but can you wholeheartedly say you trust him not to get involved with something stupid? The brown red was total stupidity, we can't have players like that this year, every team targets him and more often than not he reacts. Defoe will be getting the same treatment from them but he doesn't react. It's as simple as that.
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I’m having a hard time remembering anyone raking the studs down Defoe’s achilles, off the ball. I do remember Defoe being a little bit fortunate to escape a second yellow at the tail end of the season though.

I take your point about Morelos in that he’ll still be targeted by everyone though. But as for his personal conduct, I think missing out on the Copa America and being dropped by Gerrard will have been a massive kick up the arse that might just have put an end to some of his daft outbursts.
 
Danger Zone said:
I’m having a hard time remembering anyone raking the studs down Defoe’s achilles, off the ball. I do remember Defoe being a little bit fortunate to escape a second yellow at the tail end of the season though.

I take your point about Morelos in that he’ll still be targeted by everyone though. But as for his personal conduct, I think missing out on the Copa America and being dropped by Gerrard will have been a massive kick up the arse that might just have put an end to some of his daft outbursts.
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Can you 100% say you trust him? Mate I played football, I was punched in the face full force once the ball had went up the other end, the ref never saw it! Did I fall down? Did I do something stupid for the ref to see? Nope I waited for the next opportunity for me and I got him back nobody saw it no even my teammates. It happens at every level you just need to pick your time and be clever. He can't do that.
 
JMTrangers said:
In a dream world, we'll offload Herrera, Lafferty, Dodoo, Rossiter, Holt, Alnwick, Grezda, Lafferty & Dorrans. That would save £50k+ per week on the wage bill, even if we didn't get a fee for them (though we probably will make at least a couple of million from them in total).

We'd loan out a few youngsters and save a bit more on the wage bill.

We'd then spend that entire wage bill saving plus the transfer fees recouped on a top class loan player like Andre Gray. If we qualified for the Europa group stages again, a player like that would give us a huge chance of getting into the next round which would pay for the investment itself. That's not to mention the damage a player like that would do domestically.

I'd rather get a young prospect in at left back - we've had players come through the youth academy and do a turn for us at full back in the past, so a young prospect can do a job there when needed, and otherwise learn from the likes of Barisic & Flanagan, who would largely be rotated based on form. I'd be talking about a £1m investment in that position, so a good player but not the finished article.

Besides those two, we'd probably need around £1m-£2m spent on another centre back and we'd be sorted.

I realise this is a lot of ifs and buts, and some players might not go etc etc...but that would be an ideal scenario for me.
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50k and then some.
 
indianabluenose said:
How many of those guys you think we can off load?
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Holt is already gone.

Jak Alnwick impressed in League One last year so there'll definitely be a League One/lower Championship side in for him this summer at a couple of hundred thousand.

Hererra scored a few goals in Mexico so I imagine worst case, his loan will get extended until his contract runs out in 2020.

Lafferty, Dodoo, Rossiter & Dorrans all have contracts expiring at the end of next season (2020). I imagine a couple might want to stick it out/be paid off, but there should be some interest in them. Rossiter & Dodoo worst case will go out on loan until their contract here expires. Dorrans and Lafferty don't particularly want to go and won't get the same wages from other clubs so will be harder to shift.

Grezda is the trickier one as he'll be on a decent wage, but we could well get lucky and get some of our transfer fee back for him. I'm optimistic as he is still rated in Croatia and the top clubs there will possibly pay £1m-£2m for him.
 
I'm still not sure of Alfie keeping it together.
If missing out on the Copa and Ge55ard dropping him doesn't sort him.
Then it'll be a looong start to the season.
Fingers Crossed that he knows he's done his career no favours comes out of the blocks storming in the league and Europe... Builds his value back up to 20mil and we say cheerio in January OR he realizes that being part of the 55 team would make him a legend and stays thru May... whew..
 
No. Even with keeping those guys we still need a left back, centre back, centre mid (Aribo) and a couple of guys to leave.
 
We need another centre back. Can’t go a season with only 3.

Otherwise I wouldn’t actually be disappointed with that. Would be nice to have a left back but Barisic might come into a game.

Otherwise we just need to identify players as they become available who will clearly improve the first team. And there are not too many of those who will come to Scotland.

Our first 11 is he best in Scotland right now.

Our problems last year were:
finding a midfield that worked. We did that ourselves at the end of the season and Aribo is an upgrade.

Getting a goal threat from wide. Several players have been bought with this in mind.

Having a goal threat from deep. Arfield in the Christmas tree does it. Hopefully Aribo brings it even with the flat 3.

Being unable to break down packed organised defences. That was a hallmark of us being predictable. The other changes should improve that. And better midfielders able to dribble and find inventive passes should sort it too. Davis on form, Kamara and Aribo.

I’m very happy with the window so far. But if we find a wee gem somewhere in the next few months then great.
 
indianabluenose said:
For me if we keep Kent, all the business I would see left is off loading players we don’t rate. I think we would have the cash to jump on a good deal but I think our squad is fit for purpose as is.
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A first choice left back, another centre half (experienced but not past it) and a striker that’s ideally good in the air still missing for me.
 
Even if Morelos stays we need a striker, I'm concerned at the lack of links to to one, and that nobody has mentioned we need one in this thread? It was the same last summer. If Morelos goes we need 2 in up front as well.
 
Alfie wasn't the cause of us not winning the leaugue - it's a team sport, alfie also had 40+ goal involvement last season & 29 the season before, which i think is a tremendous record, ill take his temperament and his 40+ goal involvement please :)

However IF he was sold the funds should be used to contribute towards a back up cb, 1 or 2 strikers
 
wager said:
do you think any striker scoring for rangers would be treated any differently?
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Yes.

Can't see Gerrard telling Defoe he's let him, his teammates, the club and the fans down and making him do a public apology.

I'm an Alfredo fan, but his behaviour at the piggery and Aberdeen at Ibrox cost us dearly last season.

Once more and he'll definitely be off.

He may well be anyway, if a club meets our valuation.
 
Nope. We weren’t good enough last season, so not improving our first 11 with at least a couple of better players means we won’t be good enough again next year.
Logic also dictates they’ll improve their first 11, so three or four new starters are required.
 
We would need an experienced CB.

If Goldson gets injured we have no experienced CB's.

That's a must.

Think we could also be doing with another striker as I would be loaning Rudden out for another season.
 
aghalee_hero said:
Even if Morelos stays we need a striker, I'm concerned at the lack of links to to one, and that nobody has mentioned we need one in this thread? It was the same last summer. If Morelos goes we need 2 in up front as well.
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I agree with this.
I also think we need a quality CH.
 
Alfie's a great player but I just don't trust his temperament.

He keeps letting us down and anyone expecting him to change next season is kidding themselves. He is what he is.

If we could sell him and use the money to bring in a quality replacement plus another starter at either left-back or centre-half, I think we'd be stronger overall.
 
Morelos is a gamble.
But it’s like a casino saying to you that if you bet £10 you’re only going to get £300 back instead of potentially £600

You’re still winning even when he’s doing daft stuff. He is frustrating but he is still
Young and can learn to keep away from these incidents that get him sent off. If he can get us around 30 goals again this season and others chip in we won’t be far off 55
 
MearnsUnionist said:
Yes.

Can't see Gerrard telling Defoe he's let him, his teammates, the club and the fans down and making him do a public apology.

I'm an Alfredo fan, but his behaviour at the piggery and Aberdeen at Ibrox cost us dearly last season.

Once more and he'll definitely be off.

He may well be anyway, if a club meets our valuation.
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Love his style of play and he scored a good number of goals last season, but can’t help but think the suspensions will be more of the same in the new season. I’d cash in.
 
No, I still feel we need:

another centre half that will challenge Katic and Goldson

A backup striker in case Morelos or Defoe got an injury

A playmaker that will unlock 10 men defences
 
Necro said:
The sensationalism around it takes his disciplinary record out of context, at least half of his reds were undeserved
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One or two of his reds were harsh but he could easily have been sent off in other games and he got away with it. He also got something like 17 yellow cards, where they all a conspiracy as well? I agree he has a reputation now and to an extent he does get refereed in a different manner to other players at times but that's another reason why he should be getting his head down and staying out of trouble.

It's hard not to like the wee guy due to his infectious character but he's a ticking timebomb who's ready to explode at any moment. We should maximise our fee for him if we can and look to move him on. The fee we bring in for him is crucial to the rebuild of our club and we can absorb his loss with Defoe and another really good player replacing him.
 
We need another centre half. 100%. If we get that, then we are good to go on the basis that Barisic gets another chance and Flanagan carries on where he left off last season.
 
clash city rocker said:
Nope. We weren’t good enough last season, so not improving our first 11 with at least a couple of better players means we won’t be good enough again next year.
Logic also dictates they’ll improve their first 11, so three or four new starters are required.
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You seriously think Celtic will be improving their first eleven?
 
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