HandsomeHead
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Even if they simply weren’t following the gameplan, it suggests a worrying disconnect between the manager and the players.
It also, quite frankly, screams of a team that isn’t being properly coached or drilled.
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It also, quite frankly, screams of a team that isn’t being properly coached or drilled.
butch70
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We were literally miles off them mate anytime we got in good position we could not run away from them they are a fitter team it shows in almost every game we play we don’t have the sharpness or awareness a club of our standing should have and for me that’s criminal,we obviously sometimes cannot live with teams that have more creative players but we should ALWAYS be able to match any teams fitness levels.
If only there was a way of proving it. I dunno maybe by playing them 4 times a season.
CaptainCourageous
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Many predicted how yesterday would pan out. If you said so were labelled a panty wetter.
That should have been a thumping win for Celtic yesterday. Thankfully Butland pulled off a few decent saves and the Celtic shooting was woeful.
We were nearly 1-0 down inside the first minute. These players never learn. I don’t believe Clement fully understands Scottish football.
The Cup Final will be a similar outcome.
That should have been a thumping win for Celtic yesterday. Thankfully Butland pulled off a few decent saves and the Celtic shooting was woeful.
We were nearly 1-0 down inside the first minute. These players never learn. I don’t believe Clement fully understands Scottish football.
The Cup Final will be a similar outcome.
cranky
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The last sentence nails it. We have a team who don’t have the belief that they can beat them. Until that changes the outcome will be the same. Selections, formations, tactics all fine but it’s belief that wins games
Blootoonboy
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Sima and Ridvan back would be a massive boost.
Coupled with dropping Lawrence and Lundstram and we are already much stronger IMO.
AlbertaBlue
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TBH the last 12 years or so have been the worst, 55 excluded, that I remember.
We managed to pick up trophies and OF victories even in some of the bad times previously.
Jeff Portnoy
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That to me would be like a group of 10 blokes to line up and take turns kicking me square in the nuts
When you see that, it’s fucking grim. Wouldn’t expect that in a Sunday pub league game wowThink this picture sums yesterday up.
CaptainCourageous
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We have no structure. It’s all over the place and it’s mental how easily we switch off and fall out the game. A simple pass opens up the team and has us a 6’s and 7’s.
There is no tactical discipline or shape about our team.
A mess.
Happened under a few managers now. It’s the players.
Noddy
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By keeping 11 men on the park, not getting perfectly good goals chopped off and blatant penalties denied, that kinda thing?
JC85
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They're not a great team by any means, but they've got our number and have done for 3 seasons now.
And you'll have a hard job arguing they've had the title gift wrapped when they're 9 points ahead of us on the 4 Old Firm games. If we'd won it, they'd have a much stronger argument that they'd gifted it to us.
Ally’s Golden Boot
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Absolutely f()cking disgraceful. Our midfield was an absolute shambles yesterday. I can’t wait to see the back of most of these losers.Think this picture sums yesterday up.
The ease those rat bastards passed through our midfield was a total riddy, Clements head is going to be on a plate if he doesn’t deviate from this ridiculous 4231 which is clearly not working.
We have just lost the league to one of the worst scum teams in my memory,
Leonard
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scobie1873
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The worrying thing for me is that their a bad lot, and we’re nowhere near them.
Burrowtochase
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Manager after manager we've had and we've seen this same performance time and time again, a manager can send these players out with whatever tactics he wants but when you've got that same scar tissue thats seen defeat after defeat against them its only ending one way. I dont know why some people cant get this into their heads, the players with the scar tissue are infectious...get rid of them.
bear wi nae hair
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I’m gutted I watched it once. You’re off your head.
Agree though we were never in it and I’d say that for all OF games this season. They always looked better and capable of shifting up a gear if needed.
I don’t give up much hope for the Final.
Burgh-Ger
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Not long back from my boys match, he’s 8 and has a better awareness of what is going on around him than our midfield did yesterday!!Think this picture sums yesterday up.
GingerRanger
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The space they get 18 yards from the middle of our goal is disgraceful and to be honest it’s happened for years.
Either our last 4 managers haven’t spotted that or none of the players take responsibility for their positions or the effort they need to make and the awareness they need to have.
I remember one of the games under Gio we got pumped at Parkhead. They took a quick free kick and Jota scored. In the replay you could see Gio yelling at Lundstram and Kent to get back/ stop the quick free kick but neither of them did f*ck all and Celtic scored.
The point I’m making is that our squad for years have continually shat the bed at their place and don’t have it in them to go there up against a big crowd and step up to the challenge.
I don’t think ability wise the two squads are miles apart, our extensive injury list has really hampered us. However, mentality is huge and I don’t think our players believe in themselves enough to go there and get a result.
Either our last 4 managers haven’t spotted that or none of the players take responsibility for their positions or the effort they need to make and the awareness they need to have.
I remember one of the games under Gio we got pumped at Parkhead. They took a quick free kick and Jota scored. In the replay you could see Gio yelling at Lundstram and Kent to get back/ stop the quick free kick but neither of them did f*ck all and Celtic scored.
The point I’m making is that our squad for years have continually shat the bed at their place and don’t have it in them to go there up against a big crowd and step up to the challenge.
I don’t think ability wise the two squads are miles apart, our extensive injury list has really hampered us. However, mentality is huge and I don’t think our players believe in themselves enough to go there and get a result.
Jock Battle Fever Wallace
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No fight. No pride. No aggression. No organisation. No determination. No courage. No threat. No belief. No pace. No hunger. No leadership. A pitiful performance from players who have repeatedly failed our Club when it matters. I just hope this signals the end for Tav, Lundstram, Barasic, Lawrence, Wright, Dessers, Silva, Jack, Goldson, etc.
Enough is enough.
Enough is enough.
Noddy
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In two of those games we had a perfectly good goal chopped off and a stonewall penalty denied. These are massive, game changing moments. We've also played two of the games with 10 men and been unlucky not to nick a point in both of them.
steve1873
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Had the penalty been converted (was never a pen obviously) we'd have been on the end of a 4 or 5-1.
We weren't great at all, but going in 2-1 at half time with us having gotten back in to the game should have been a decent chance to reset. Lundstram absolutely fucked that.
We weren't great at all, but going in 2-1 at half time with us having gotten back in to the game should have been a decent chance to reset. Lundstram absolutely fucked that.
laudrup71
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I respectfully disagree. In the league we’ve taken ONE point in twelve off them..
1 point out of 12.
Whatever way you look at it, that suggests a massive gulf across the season. Personally, I think one of the things that’s badly holding us back is the denial of quite the challenge we face in addressing the gulf.
I’ve said on here before, but during our nine in a row, Celtc fans would continually bang on about how they’d outplayed us and lost and how we weren’t actually all that good. According to them the players weren’t great and Walter was about to be found out. That seriously held them back IMO. We’ve slipped into the same delusion, and until we appreciate the challenge ahead of us we’ll chase short term solutions to long term issues.
Never been asked of Clement if this is his style of play we are adopting at the minute. If it is we're fucked. Someone on here summed it up perfectly. "Hopeless hoofball". That's exactly what I see. And the crash barriers will waltz through that all day long.
Noddy
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And there is valid reasons why we've only taken one point from twelve.
Arran Honey Pear
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I know how you feel mate - I’m 59 but conversely I actually savour every time I get to Ibrox now - and I’m even looking forward to going on Tuesday just to make that walk up to Ibrox
I know most of the players need emptied and really hope Clement shows a bit more tactical awareness with a bunch of new players - let’s hope he can turn it around
Rangerista
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Why, just why, do we give that jump the dyke b@stard McGregor the room in every feckin game to strut his stuff?
I'm not advocating we resort to illegal methods, but we need someone that'll let him know he's in a game and leave him on his arse more often than not.
For illustrative purposes, I'm picturing a vengeful Ian Ferguson standing over his limp body, giving him his character.
I'm not advocating we resort to illegal methods, but we need someone that'll let him know he's in a game and leave him on his arse more often than not.
For illustrative purposes, I'm picturing a vengeful Ian Ferguson standing over his limp body, giving him his character.
Blueranger45
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the first goal is shocking defending off the ball from us, at least 3 of our players watch O'Riley move into position, none of them respond to it as they are ball watchingThink this picture sums yesterday up.
then when the danger of the pass to him appears, Davies and Borna attempt to block it and Lundstram who is one of the three is jogging back like he's got no cares in the world. If I'm Clement, I've got the video out on Monday and I'm tearing strips out of him but he probably won't
Robert1872
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The harsh reality of it is they have better players than us at the moment, we havent beat them all season and our performances in they games suggests we wont be beating them in the final either.
The panty wetter patter has died down. Most people must be coming to realise that people like me weren't being negative or pessimistic, but in actual fact were just being realistic.
You're right about the cup final. Unless they inexplicably have an off day, we won't beat them.
Otis Blue
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Totally agree. Anyone with any football sense predicted that yesterday. We just don’t have it in us. The cup final will be another example of how poor our players are as individuals and as a team. Clement’s got a huge summer of crucial decisions to make.
Der_Metzgermeister
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This. The 4-2-3-1 doesn't suit Rangers. For a start the #10 needs to be incredibly skillful with his touch, dribbling and passing. And we only get that in small spells with Cantwell. Plus, he needs room to work in, and most teams camp in their own box. It was no coincidence our best spell was with Gerrard's 4-3-3. Even Gio had a run of results and performances playing a similar 4-3-3 but he pushed 2 of the CM's (usually Arfield and Jack) much higher up to give more options to the CBs to pass forward and between the gaps. Then after the winter break he went to a more rigid 4-2-3-1 and we looked utterly useless in attack and defence.
MartinS93
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That's awful.
albert_left_peg
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That picture should be shown to Clement at the next presser and ask for an explanation on what the team tactics were.
He has had a far too easy a ride and his lack of basic tactics and structure is highly concerning.
The fact that he has not addressed the midfield in yet v them is mind-boggling and alarming to me.
You can have all the injury excuses you want but putting 11 players on the park with some half decent tactics, structure and effort is the minimum we expect and what any decent coach should be able to do (see McInnes etc.)
He has had a far too easy a ride and his lack of basic tactics and structure is highly concerning.
The fact that he has not addressed the midfield in yet v them is mind-boggling and alarming to me.
You can have all the injury excuses you want but putting 11 players on the park with some half decent tactics, structure and effort is the minimum we expect and what any decent coach should be able to do (see McInnes etc.)
Did you watch it again just to see Oreily going down like a Thai ho
laudrup71
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If you mean refereeing decisions - again, there are historical similarities. Celtc claimed the exact same thing during our NIAR. They were so convinced of the referees conspiring against them they hired private detectives to prove their case.
I’m not saying you’re wrong in regard to dodgy refereeing, but none of the other losses were great performances from my recollection. If the teams were close in regard to skill at some point we’d fluke it and beat them and it’s just not happening..
If we don’t accept the gulf in ability (we’re the classier club in the traditional definition, that’s for sure) we can’t scout players to address ithe issue and we’ll be ireliving Groundhog Day just with a different manager year after year..
cairngorm
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I’m angrier this morning than I was on Sat… these players just don’t seem to get it…. Losing to them occasionally is inevitable but the current run of losing games has to change.
I get the injury situation but we never laid a glove on them on Sat and that’s the worry for me. I’ve seen far worse Rangers teams going there and winning but this lot just don’t seem to have the bottle.
I get the injury situation but we never laid a glove on them on Sat and that’s the worry for me. I’ve seen far worse Rangers teams going there and winning but this lot just don’t seem to have the bottle.
TallBearCr
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They have won the majority of old firm points this season, we didnt beat them to claw back points, if you win the old firms you deserve the league, we have dropped points to the same muck as them.
OlegKuznetsov
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On another day it couldve been 5 or 6
IanAdams17
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I salute you for watching that again
They are no great shakes that’s for sure, sadly they don’t need to be when it comes to taking on us
With the financial gulf probably getting wider over the next year I think our best hope is that their inept transfer strategy continues
They are no great shakes that’s for sure, sadly they don’t need to be when it comes to taking on us
With the financial gulf probably getting wider over the next year I think our best hope is that their inept transfer strategy continues
NeilFifeLoyal
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Deluded. They are miles better than us you my friend are clutching at straws.
GBY74
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Butland did save us from another hammering. That isn't a good Celtic side yet our players look absolutely terrified of them. Unfortunately I think you're also correct regarding the cup final as Clement doesn't seem to be able to set us up to beat them nor does he seem to be the type of character that'll change his style.
2 wins out if the last 15 old firm games suggests we are miles behind.
Never mind the Trophy count.
