Ojo today

WATP3006

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Yeah but I’ve never called him a fraud/imposter/or a waste of space so you don’t really have any point to make there do you?
You did say when he starts it’s like starting with a man down, could be likened to a waste of space.

Again, the irony of you having a go at some for their treatment of Ojo, when you have been the cheerleader for the constant slating of Arfield.

It’s nice to see you have retreated in your criticism after Gerrards statement though. You know what they say about karma, eh?
 

Danger Zone

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You did say when he starts it’s like starting with a man down, could be likened to a waste of space.

Again, the irony of you having a go at some for their treatment of Ojo, when you have been the cheerleader for the constant slating of Arfield.

It’s nice to see you have retreated in your criticism after Gerrards statement though. You know what they say about karma, eh?
“Could be likened”, yeah maybe if you’re a simpleton it could, but the fact remains I didn’t say that pal.

There is no irony because I haven’t launched a tirade of venomous abuse or unnecessarily nasty comments at Arfield, a player who I have always stated that I admired. And yeah I said his lack of form would be forgivable if he’s had personal issues, why wouldn’t I say that? It’s what any decent person would do.

I’m really not sure where karma comes into it though, seeing as I’ve experienced no bad karma. The main take away from this back and forth is that you seem to have a real issues with reading and interpreting basic English. Why don’t you give it up before you make it even worse for yourself.
 

WATP3006

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“Could be likened”, yeah maybe if you’re a simpleton it could, but the fact remains I didn’t say that pal.

There is no irony because I haven’t launched a tirade of venomous abuse or unnecessarily nasty comments at Arfield, a player who I have always stated that I admired. And yeah I said his lack of form would be forgivable if he’s had personal issues, why wouldn’t I say that? It’s what any decent person would do.

I’m really not sure where karma comes into it though, seeing as I’ve experienced no bad karma. The main take away from this back and forth is that you seem to have a real issues with reading and interpreting basic English. Why don’t you give it up before you make it even worse for yourself.
Sorry about my bad English, can you confirm if your last sentence is a question or not?
 

RFC_Champions

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There are potential longer term repercussion of abusing players, especially loan players.

Just now, Ejaria is seen as a 1 off. However, if Ojo goes back as well complaining about the support & how it's not a conducive environment for young guys to learn in, then this potentially hurts us longer term for getting loans in, especially from Liverpool, or potentially signing some youngsters permanently.
If they want a loan placement where they can come/go through the emotions, take part in games regardless of results and learn - then they can fück off to Aberdeen.

If they want to maximise the opportunity and make the most of the stage they are given to show the world (and their own clubs) what they believe they really can do on the pitch - then welcome to the party!

Our demands are high. Very high! They need to be. Success is the only thing that matters.
 

The Spaniard

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If you just want to boil football down to stats such as goals and assists then it would appear that Ojo is better than Kent. In reality there's absolute light years between them.



When is the last time Ojo had a good game? He scored a screamer against Feyenoord but apart from that he was like a man down in that game. Jogging back towards the later stages and not tracking his man etc.



Not really what happened though is it? He simply couldn't handle the pressure of playing for a big club. Tough. If anything we did Liverpool a favour by showing them that.
Ojo was 7-8/10 at Hampden against Hearts. He shows something of quality in most games he plays, but I accept that its mixed in with some poor decisions, slack passes, and lapses in concentration.

The people who are adamant that he contributes nothing are actual clowns.
 

Vince

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I don’t think the manager is helping this situation when continually playing a guy who we can see clearly has not deserved as many chances. The crowd (any crowd) will eventually turn on the player in this situation.

There are several players in our squad who have played better than Ojo when getting a chance but don’t get the second chances he has. The crowd can see all this and are getting frustrated. I don’t think it’s particularly unique to our crowd. It’s not as if he was getting this from the beginning - it’s the culmination of many poor performances.
 

SuperGers07

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Is it just me or was Ojo's reaction after the last 2 goals (particularly the 4th) one of a man who is unhappy?

He did really well to win the ball back, arguable should have squared it the first place but had a wee pop at goal which we can't complain at I guess, but he was practically pushing Stewart off him when he went to thank/celebrate with him.

Personally not a fan of that reaction and i'd prefer to see any of Stewart, Arfield or Aribo on that right hand side slot if that's his attitude given that he isn't setting the heather alight.
clocked this also.
 

Barryhopez

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I don’t think the manager is helping this situation when continually playing a guy who we can see clearly has not deserved as many chances. The crowd (any crowd) will eventually turn on the player in this situation.

There are several players in our squad who have played better than Ojo when getting a chance but don’t get the second chances he has. The crowd can see all this and are getting frustrated. I don’t think it’s particularly unique to our crowd. It’s not as if he was getting this from the beginning - it’s the culmination of many poor performances.
The fans will, rightly, never pick the team or influence who gets played and who doesn't.
 

WATP3006

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“Could be likened”, yeah maybe if you’re a simpleton it could, but the fact remains I didn’t say that pal.

There is no irony because I haven’t launched a tirade of venomous abuse or unnecessarily nasty comments at Arfield, a player who I have always stated that I admired. And yeah I said his lack of form would be forgivable if he’s had personal issues, why wouldn’t I say that? It’s what any decent person would do.

I’m really not sure where karma comes into it though, seeing as I’ve experienced no bad karma. The main take away from this back and forth is that you seem to have a real issues with reading and interpreting basic English. Why don’t you give it up before you make it even worse for yourself.
Oh digging deep ain’t you! I at no point slated Morelos in the way you have with Arfield. I stated obvious weaknesses in his game that were apparent at that point. Gladly for us all and the club he has improved on every aspect, being his temperament, his heading ability and even his finishing.

Yes I gladly I admitted I was wrong, unlike you who deflects your abuse of a star player last season who has having a difficult spell, by then having a go at others for criticising Ojo, who has offered far less than Arfield.

Very noble of you and your condescending ways. In response to your comment regarding you lessening assault on Arfield after Gerrard spoke - as isn’t that what good people do (don’t quote me on the exact words, but to that affect) - No l! good people would support a player wearing the jersey and encourage through a difficult spell whilst trying to regain form.

You on the other hand insult and embarrass yourself and then backtrack when personal issues come into play. Which personally I find even more embarrassing! Be a man and admit you were wrong (like I did with Morelos) or continue to stand by your convictions!
 

Mearns Ranger

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Oh digging deep ain’t you! I at no point slated Morelos in the way you have with Arfield. I stated obvious weaknesses in his game that were apparent at that point. Gladly for us all and the club he has improved on every aspect, being his temperament, his heading ability and even his finishing.

Yes I gladly I admitted I was wrong, unlike you who deflects your abuse of a star player last season who has having a difficult spell, by then having a go at others for criticising Ojo, who has offered far less than Arfield.

Very noble of you and your condescending ways. In response to your comment regarding you lessening assault on Arfield after Gerrard spoke - as isn’t that what good people do (don’t quote me on the exact words, but to that affect) - No l! good people would support a player wearing the jersey and encourage through a difficult spell whilst trying to regain form.

You on the other hand insult and embarrass yourself and then backtrack when personal issues come into play. Which personally I find even more embarrassing! Be a man and admit you were wrong (like I did with Morelos) or continue to stand by your convictions!
Sorry mate, I'm not going to interrupt your argument here, but the bit in bold is clearly not true. Ojo has 5-6 goals and a similar amount of assists. Arfield has offered nowhere near that. And I'm not having a go at Arfield either.
 

Danger Zone

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Oh digging deep ain’t you! I at no point slated Morelos in the way you have with Arfield. I stated obvious weaknesses in his game that were apparent at that point. Gladly for us all and the club he has improved on every aspect, being his temperament, his heading ability and even his finishing.

Yes I gladly I admitted I was wrong, unlike you who deflects your abuse of a star player last season who has having a difficult spell, by then having a go at others for criticising Ojo, who has offered far less than Arfield.

Very noble of you and your condescending ways. In response to your comment regarding you lessening assault on Arfield after Gerrard spoke - as isn’t that what good people do (don’t quote me on the exact words, but to that affect) - No l! good people would support a player wearing the jersey and encourage through a difficult spell whilst trying to regain form.

You on the other hand insult and embarrass yourself and then backtrack when personal issues come into play. Which personally I find even more embarrassing! Be a man and admit you were wrong (like I did with Morelos) or continue to stand by your convictions!
Abuse of a star player? I have never directed abuse at Scott Arfield at any point and because of that you will never find any evidence of me having done so, so I don’t have any need whatsoever to backtrack. You’re probably the only person here odd enough to liken ‘he’s been like a man down’ to abuse, and add further embarrassment by talking of an “assault” on the player. So essentially, you’re a wee liar, and there’s nothing worse than a liar. That is where your argument falls apart so I don’t know what this is all for other than for you to make a bigger fool of yourself.

“Man enough to admit I was wrong”, you’re giving yourself far too much credit there, you had absolutely no option but to acknowledge you were wrong because since those laughably inaccurate remarks Morelos has crammed those words down your throat and made you look like someone who doesn’t quite get football. You should be man enough to admit you got this argument all wrong and you’re essentially lying to attempt to justify yourself. An alleged 34 year old man lying away on a football forum because he’s made a fool of himself and doesn’t like it, it’s a bit tragic isn’t it? But anyway, have a nice day fella, I think you’ve derailed thread enough so I’m going to leave it here.
 

WATP3006

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Abuse of a star player? I have never directed abuse at Scott Arfield at any point and because of that you will never find any evidence of me having done so, so I don’t have any need whatsoever to backtrack. You’re probably the only person here odd enough to liken ‘he’s been like a man down’ to abuse, and add further embarrassment by talking of an “assault” on the player. So essentially, you’re a wee liar, and there’s nothing worse than a liar. That is where your argument falls apart so I don’t know what this is all for other than for you to make a bigger fool of yourself.

“Man enough to admit I was wrong”, you’re giving yourself far too much credit there, you had absolutely no option but to acknowledge you were wrong because since those laughably inaccurate remarks Morelos has crammed those words down your throat and made you look like someone who doesn’t quite get football. You should be man enough to admit you got this argument all wrong and you’re essentially lying to attempt to justify yourself. An alleged 34 year old man lying away on a football forum because he’s made a fool of himself and doesn’t like it, it’s a bit tragic isn’t it? But anyway, have a nice day fella, I think you’ve derailed thread enough so I’m going to leave it here.
Seems you don’t like when people debate back with you. I wasn’t the only poster on the Arfield thread calling you out on it.

An alleged 34 year old lol, checking me out or just making sure you have more ‘likes’ than me, since that’s apparently important to you and your self worth!

Have a great day mate, always a pleasure.
 

WATP3006

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Sorry mate, I'm not going to interrupt your argument here, but the bit in bold is clearly not true. Ojo has 5-6 goals and a similar amount of assists. Arfield has offered nowhere near that. And I'm not having a go at Arfield either.
I wasn’t just meaning over this season mate. Everyone knows Arfield has struggled this season, that is not up for debate, but I’d much rather Arfield in the team than Ojo. An in form Arfield is far better than Ojo.
 

Barryhopez

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Never said they would .... but you continually play a guy who is not playing well you are going to get plenty of feedback.
Your post insinuated that the Manger is picking a player that (the fans)

"we can see clearly has not deserved as many chances."

That's up to the Manager to decide if he deserves the chance, and shouldn't be led by the howls of fickle derision from the stands.
 

Vince

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Your post insinuated that the Manger is picking a player that (the fans)

"we can see clearly has not deserved as many chances."

That's up to the Manager to decide if he deserves the chance, and shouldn't be led by the howls of fickle derision from the stands.
I don’t know what your first sentence means - maybe it’s not finished.

My post is simple. A lot of fans can see that Ojo has not played well in many games. In that situation they are eventually going to grumble and then turn on the player if he continually does that and the manager keeps on picking him. This happens with any player in that situation.

I’m not ‘insinuating’ anything - it’s just the nature of the crowd. We hear the term ‘not doing him any favours’ by picking players in bad form in this situation. We are nearly there with Ojo.
 
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