Police Investigating Player Video

Bknowe said:
I forgot that one mate

The fact that the papers were more interested in the smashed bogs than anything they done that day says it all. NBM are a sham of an organisation.
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And let's not forget their banner......
We are the F enian Army....we're not just here to compete ....were here to take over.....A banner totally glossed over by the mhedia , MP's and Celtc f.c.
 
Almost a week on and still not a peep.

It's been said already but we should fully expect an inconclusive 'We can't say for sure what it sounds like', furthering feeding the paranoia of the scum.
 
I think we can assume that the video is a fake as believe me we would have heard by now if it werent. To me it shows the police in a bad light by dragging their heels on information to the public on the outcome. Is it because of their unusual reaction to the original complaint before it was even investigated ? Are there any members of Parliament demanding an answer or will they be asking for an investigation into the handling of the investigation . I can only assume the Police are being very careful before and if , they respond..
 
RedWhiteBlue said:
Maybe there won't actually be anything.

It seems like the whole purpose of Police Scotland tweeting about this was to smear Rangers.

Pretty obvious that even if "FTP" was being sung in the room the cops would still need to identify and name specific offenders. Which they can't do.

The whole point here is to let it sit there that "Rangers Players" are accused so that even down the line when this squad have all moved on people can still say "remember when the Police investigated Rangers players for singing FTP at a party".

That's a bit different from saying "it was Ryan Kent" and then having to charge the player and then having to deal with all the fallout when they obviously can't prove it.

My guess would be that they might try to charge the players and staff with covid breaches but it's taking time to establish if that can even be done since the whole thing is taking place inside the stadium where the players are there for work anyway. Maybe they will try to argue that even though your job is deemed essential and you are there for work you can't, for example, all go into work and then order a carry out and some food.

Something that confuses me a bit here though is what happens to people who shared the video. Does anyone remember that "Nazi Pug" guy? I thought the logic there was that he shared a video with a specific phrase being said and so the context was deemed irrelevant. So surely anyone who shared this video of someone allegedly shouting "FTP" is guilty of distributing offensive material.

Of course, none of that actually matters since the goal here is to accuse "Rangers players" of singing something that they did not sing and to support that with inconclusive evidence. The first thing I'd want to be asking anyone pushing these claims is "which players"? Seems absurd that the whole organization can be accused when it can only really be specific individuals committing the crime.

They will not come out and admit they were wrong to even pursue this in the manner they did. If anything I think they might be petty enough to try and punish players for breaching covid regulations to try and appease the mob.
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You could be making a good point here , never name a player as they are then liable to kickback but reputations can be tainted.

also the point re distributing offensive content is very much in line with Dallasgate at sfa
 
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I'm sure more than one of the players/staff will have recorded the relevant section of their celebration. The likelihood of a dubbed video being in perfect sync with untainted versions is pretty low. I would imagine a sound recording expert would be able to identify a dubbed video as a consequence of such small inconsistencies rather easily. I'm astonished the investigation has not been resolved yet. The club could bring this nonsense to an abrupt halt for the cost of a few days consultancy to a relevant expert.
 
Am I right in thinking that the video by wulliewanker isn’t an issue, it’s just a video of Rangers players celebrating. The issue is lippylipez copying the video and implying that f.t.p was sang which initiated police and justice ministry action.
 
TerryMunro said:
Am I right in thinking that the video by wulliewanker isn’t an issue, it’s just a video of Rangers players celebrating. The issue is lippylipez copying the video and implying that f.t.p was sang which initiated police and justice ministry action.
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It's not really clear. It appears there are some videos that have been dubbed or slowed down or changed and some videos that are just the videos from the event.

The thing is that they already tried something like this after the St Johnstone cup game. People claiming that "fen!an" could be heard in the audio. Again, no player was named. That effort didn't really catch on.

The issue really is Police Scotland and the Justice Minister publicly giving credence to mad tim conspiracy theories.

There is no way that the players are singing FTP. It's really just that simple. They are only getting away with it because they haven't actually accused anyone specifically.
 
RedWhiteBlue said:
It's not really clear. It appears there are some videos that have been dubbed or slowed down or changed and some videos that are just the videos from the event.

The thing is that they already tried something like this after the St Johnstone cup game. People claiming that "fen!an" could be heard in the audio. Again, no player was named. That effort didn't really catch on.

The issue really is Police Scotland and the Justice Minister publicly giving credence to mad tim conspiracy theories.

There is no way that the players are singing FTP. It's really just that simple. They are only getting away with it because they haven't actually accused anyone specifically.
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Thanks, seen the wulliewanker one, I seen writing on that could be interpreted as him being a Rangers fan (simply the best) hence all he was doing was sharing Rangers players celebrating.
 
What we really need are maybe 200 dedicated volunteers who will write individual complaints / make formal reports to Police Scotland and where appropriate; Twitter, FB etc, re:

sectarian slurs online

sectarian graffiti

audible football chants ( also report to SKY / BT etc

I’m sure there are more.

Crowdsource the gathering of info / evidenced, location dates times etc

The scum complain about anythingand everything and that skews the
reported hate crime stats.

Is it sad / petty, if you ask me yes it is, but we’ve all but lost, IF there’s a respected Bear who’d front something like this would there be any genuine interest?
 
Like many others on here I believe plod will find the video inconclusive, everyone will believe what they want to believe and plods masters won’t be embarrassed. The claim and counter claim will go on, unless the club come out and demand retraction of all accusation.
 
So it was bollocks as we all knew at the time except those with a deep hatred in their hearts about our club

Identify the wanker who made the initial Tweet then see if legal actions can be taken against the usual suspect journalists who all had us guilty before any of the evidence was checked out
 
Paulski55 said:
We will sit patiently and await an apology from each vicious, vile and sectarian commentator who wrongly accused the rangers players of anti Irish bigotry…

Waiting patiently….
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I love the idea that it’s anti Irish to say fck the pope.It defies any logic because;

1) he’s not irish
2) he doesn’t live in ireland
3) we don’t live in Ireland
4) those complaining aren’t irish

Theres literally nothing Irish in this whole pathetic scenario.
 
Sir Sasa Papac said:
I love the idea that it’s anti Irish to say fck the pope.It defies any logic because;

1) he’s not irish
2) he doesn’t live in ireland
3) we don’t live in Ireland
4) those complaining aren’t irish

Theres literally nothing Irish in this whole pathetic scenario.
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Exactly. As @David Edgar correctly says, it’s a supply and demand. They demand the bigotry, but they also supply the fake content. They’re desperate to be offended by any form of bigotry towards them and pass it off as anti Irish, just because that’s they’re wee comfy, fluffy soft comfort blanket.
 
Paulski55 said:
Exactly. As @David Edgar correctly says, it’s a supply and demand. They demand the bigotry, but they also supply the fake content. They’re desperate to be offended by any form of bigotry towards them and pass it off as anti Irish, just because that’s they’re wee comfy, fluffy soft comfort blanket.
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If it’s racist against the Irish because they are a “Catholic country” it must also be racist to hundreds of other countries at the same time. You’ll end up getting lifted for 300 individual instances of racism on the one comment
 
Interesting to see what happens now...will the players or club issue a note on the disgraceful way this was handled Which has resulted in online abuse worldwide?
 
Grigo Yossarian said:
Yes, firstly, they gave it out big time when they were winning & as soon as we turn it around, one trophy too CG, they are behaving like religious fundamentalists. Truly astonishing.

I think my main issue is the publicity we got from this, extremely negative, needs to be the SAME publicity when the result is publicised.

We all know it was a sham, but just how quickly & easily the government, BBC, SNP, and SP have jumped on this is truly a message to every single one of us. There is no innocent until proven guilty if you are part of Rangers community it seems.

Look at that Farquharson guy at THE TIMES of all papers. He had us guilty for Lawwell’s house.

We are in a propaganda war.
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I know this is not PC these days but do you know what I think? When we were shouting at each other across the stadium did anyone get offended by songs or swear words? I know I didn’t and folk got their weeks tensions and stresses out of their systems.
Shame we can’t get back to that cause this politicising of the old firm is way way more dangerous.
 
Cambuslangger said:
I know this is not PC these days but do you know what I think? When we were shouting at each other across the stadium did anyone get offended by songs or swear words? I know I didn’t and folk got their weeks tensions and stresses out of their systems.
Shame we can’t get back to that cause this politicising of the old firm is way way more dangerous.
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Agree. Everyone supported their team, called the opposition f&&&ing arseholes, then went home & got on with their lives.

No harm.
 
Paulski55 said:
Exactly. As @David Edgar correctly says, it’s a supply and demand. They demand the bigotry, but they also supply the fake content. They’re desperate to be offended by any form of bigotry towards them and pass it off as anti Irish, just because that’s they’re wee comfy, fluffy soft comfort blanket.
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Totally strategic Paulski. Very obvious in the way they claimed it almost in unison.
 
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
 
Onslow52 said:
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
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Piece of piss being a 'journalist' these days. Read FollowFollow and KDS and you get all the info you need to generate a story - in the case of the latter, whether its true or not.
 
Onslow52 said:
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
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I assume Police Scotland are now trying to identify who edited it so they can charge them with wasting police time or attempting to pervert justice?

And I would be expecting any honourable politician who previously suggested our players were guilty will now issue a public apology. Shame the politicians involved have no honour.
 
See the actual Shane Duffy video of him in the pub, couple questions;

* Had he signed for them at the time?
* Were there any references to banned terrorist organisations?

If the answer to both of the above is No, then fair dinkum.
 
I wonder where this statement of 21 May referred to above was released.

They said this on Twitter - which is much less detailed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1395756547091931144

I’ve also visited their website, where there are 10 pages of statements they released in May, and there is nothing like the above FOI statement at all:

News May 2021 - Police Scotland

News May 2021
www.scotland.police.uk

So who made the statement - and to whom was it released, because it certainly didn’t hit the media. Only the Twitter ‘non-statement’ did?
 
Onslow52 said:
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
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No shit Sherlock
 
Onslow52 said:
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
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Need to congratulate that poster on here once more

He is the only reason this is in the public domain

@RFC_Falkirk sorry, hadn’t seen your replies when I made this post. Well done
 
RFC_Falkirk said:
This is the freedom of information request (that I submitted) that the BBC are talking about

Literally took 5 minutes to submit. Any journalist could have done it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1408115630398656523
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Anyone in the media should be ashamed to publish a story where they have to acknowledge that the journalism part of the story was done by a supporter, not by them or one of their colleagues. Especially when they had a month to submit the FOI request themselves.

Still, at least it's getting written about. Good on you for doing it.
 
Onslow52 said:
BBC News - Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57610794

Rangers video 'edited with sectarian language​


Police believe a video of Rangers players and staff celebrating the club's first Scottish Premiership title in a decade was "edited to include sectarian language".
Officers assessed the footage after it was circulated on social media last month amid allegations that an offensive chant could be heard.
At the time then Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf tweeted that if it was genuine then anyone "found to be guilty of anti-Catholic hatred should be shown the door by the club".
But after extensive inquiries Police Scotland confirmed no criminality had been established.
Rangers immediately challenged the validity of the video and, after the conclusion of the investigation, confirmed it was taking legal action against "certain individuals".
The Ibrox club said it was concerned that an "attempt to discredit players" had been "taken as genuine".

'No crime'​

No detail was released when police confirmed on 21 May - four days after the video was reported - that no further action would be taken.
But a Freedom of Information request published by a supporter now shows that specialists from the force's cyber crime unit reviewed an original recording of the video and no sectarian language was heard.
The response stated: "The assessment by Police Scotland is that the video circulated on social media was edited to include sectarian language.
"From the evidence gathered no crime has been established relating to the Rangers players or staff."
Rangers clinched the title in March after Celtic failed to beat Dundee United.
Supporters later gathered in large numbers to celebrate outside Ibrox and in George Square, despite the Covid restrictions.
The scenes, which were widely condemned, were repeated in May when the players were presented with the league trophy after the final match of the season.
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One might think that the fu.cking arseholes should have "assessed" the video before putting out an incriminating statement??
 
BBC couldn't manage through a whole article without needlessly taking a dig. Linking to the condemnation of the fan celebrations, which literally has nothing to do with the article.
 
PS should be using resources to try and find out the Twitter account who made the fake TikTok doctored video

100% the club should be pursuing the high profile individuals who defamed the club with the accusation and the fact non of them have apologised for their comments despite the fake video being confirmed weeks ago

Sue them Rangers
 
Am I deaf because even the alleged edited one that I watched I never heard anything bad in.
 
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