Potential Euro Rivals

Kol Nidre

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Rangers were dreaming of taking part in the Europa League Final in Dublin this season but their hopes were ended by Benfica.

But it will be worth still having an eye on events at the Aviva Stadium in Ireland because one outcome might suit them – as it would remove of the possibility of facing the Portuguese giants who eliminated them in next season’s Champions League qualifiers!

Benfica lost out on the Portuguese Primeira Liga title to Lisbon rivals Sporting this season in a similar scenario to Rangers themselves who are just waiting for Celtic to be crowned champions. However, Benfica still have a chance of skipping the qualifiers for UEFA’s premier competition next season and going straight into the most lucrative ever group stage with the revamped format.

And that will come if Bundesliga champions Bayer Leverkusen complete their stunning unbeaten campaign and defeat Italians Atalanta to lift the Europa League.

The reason for that is because if this season's winners of the Europa League also qualify for the Champions League by their league position – as the Germans have done – then the team in the Champions League qualifiers with the best five-year record gets bumped up. Rangers themselves were actually in contention for that but with Benfica missing out, it would go to them.

The Ibrox side still have the Scottish Cup Final to look forward to on Saturday week as they to end a roller-coaster season on a high. But Philippe Clement is already turning his attention to his first pre-season in charge and a huge summer rebuild.

In European teams, the good news is they’re guaranteed group stage football. If they lose at their first Champions League qualifying hurdle then they will drop into the Europa Conference League groups and if it’s the second then they will go into the Europa League group, as they did this season after losing to PSV Eindhoven having beaten Swiss side Servette.

But they will be desperate to dine at European football’s top table and the mega millions that come with it. Final league placings are still being decided across the continent but supporters – not to mention those in the boardroom – will be keen to look at the type of challenge that could face them when the draw is made in July.

Rangers will go into the third qualifying round, non-champions route. If Atalanta beat Bayer Leverkusen then Benfica would be seeded alongside Rangers in the third qualifying round. The unseeded opponents both they and the Ibrox side could face in that round are the likes of SALZBURG, FENERBAHCE, DYNAMO KYIV, PARTIZAN BELGRADE, LUGANO, FC TWENTE or BREST.

For the play-off round, Clement’s old club CLUB BRUGGE are key. If the Belgians don’t get there then Rangers WILL be seeded but if they are in the play-off hat then Rangers would be unseeded and could face them or BENFICA. Clement spent 10 years of his playing career at Brugge and later managed them, including in the Champions League, so it could be an emotional reunion – with plenty riding on it.
 
Think Atalanta will qualify for champions league through Serie A so we will be seeded. Would prefer Club Brugge to win the Belgian league as I believe Slavia Prague would then be seeded with us.
 
tough games 100% but sure there is an error there - losing 1st qualifier drops us into UEL groups not conference. no more qualifiers either
 
Think Atalanta will qualify for champions league through Serie A so we will be seeded. Would prefer Club Brugge to win the Belgian league as I believe Slavia Prague would then be seeded with us.
Correct, assuming Atalanta finish 5th, 3 ahead with a game in hand, with 2 to play (3 for Atalanta). The Belgian table still shows Anderlecht top despite being tied on points and Brugge having a far superior goal difference. No idea why that is the case. Brugge play Anderlecht away next with only one game left after that. USG are 3 behind with an inferior goal difference to both. If the top 2 draw and USG win their next game it could still go to the last game of the season with all 3 fighting for the 2 cl places.
 
tough games 100% but sure there is an error there - losing 1st qualifier drops us into UEL groups not conference. no more qualifiers either
Correct as well. The 4 losers of the 3rd qualifying round plus the 2 playoff losers all go straight into the Europa league groups. It's the Champions path or the 2nd round League path losers that could end up in the Conference but they'd still have a Europa qualifier first.
 
Am I correct in thinking we are guaranteed some sort of group phase football even if we lose our CL qualifier?

I think we drop down to Europa League Playoff Round and if we were to lose that we would be in the Conference League Group Stage.
 
Is that correct that we'd go into Europa Conference League Group Stage if we lose the 3rd round CL qualifier?
 
Correct, assuming Atalanta finish 5th, 3 ahead with a game in hand, with 2 to play (3 for Atalanta). The Belgian table still shows Anderlecht top despite being tied on points and Brugge having a far superior goal difference. No idea why that is the case. Brugge play Anderlecht away next with only one game left after that. USG are 3 behind with an inferior goal difference to both. If the top 2 draw and USG win their next game it could still go to the last game of the season with all 3 fighting for the 2 cl places.
I think Belgian league is head 2 head when on same points?
 
That article has used the info from the champions path, we go into the league path which is different.

“The League Path will include all league non-champions which did not qualify directly for the league phase”
“All teams eliminated from the League Path will enter the Europa League
“The 4 losers of the third qualifying round and the 2 losers of the play-off round will enter the league phase”

We enter at the 3rd qualifying round so are automatically in the Europa League regardless. Only teams put out in the second qualifying round or teams who entered through the champions path can drop down.
 
Think Atalanta will qualify for champions league through Serie A so we will be seeded. Would prefer Club Brugge to win the Belgian league as I believe Slavia Prague would then be seeded with us.
Yeah and I think they will win it mate, still though plenty teams I would rather avoid given we will be a new team at that stage
 
As things stand it looks like (with Benfica maybe to qualify automatically - does anyone know what that would mean for qualification? does another team come into these qualifiers or does someone get a bye?)

Start at 2nd Qualifying Round - Dynamo Kyiv, Salzburg, Partizan Belgrade, Fenerbahce, Lugano/Servette, Slavia Prague
Start at 3rd Qualifying Round - Benfica, Lille/Brest, Twente/AZ, Club Brugge/Anderlecht

Benfica and Club Brugge are the only 2 ahead of us on coefficient so we'd be unlucky not to be seeded for the final qualification round (should we get there)

That looks a tough set of teams, regardless of who we end up getting (for both rounds).
 
Some potential tough ties in there with a brand new team hopefully. Clement and Koppen need to do a lot of work to be ready for that.

A very difficult summer coming up.
 
I think Leverkusen will stoat the final so that will mean Benfica qualify for the UCL automatically and puts fenerbache up into the seeded pot I think. We could end up with as tough a route as previous years or a much easier one.
 
I think Leverkusen will stoat the final so that will mean Benfica qualify for the UCL automatically and puts fenerbache up into the seeded pot I think. We could end up with as tough a route as previous years or a much easier one.
Slavia and Salzburg have more coefficient points than them. If Anderlecht end up in the qualifiers instead of Brugge then I'm sure they have the exact same rating as Fenerbache. They will likely be the highest ranked unseeded team unless one of the other two go out in the 2nd round, assuming Fener get through that round themselves.
 
Must be, so Brugge need the win at the weekend or not lose it and hope Anderlecht don't win their last game.

Correct, assuming Atalanta finish 5th, 3 ahead with a game in hand, with 2 to play (3 for Atalanta). The Belgian table still shows Anderlecht top despite being tied on points and Brugge having a far superior goal difference. No idea why that is the case. Brugge play Anderlecht away next with only one game left after that. USG are 3 behind with an inferior goal difference to both. If the top 2 draw and USG win their next game it could still go to the last game of the season with all 3 fighting for the 2 cl places.

Pretty sure it’s the regular season position - that’s why Anderlecht are placed above Club Brugge. Betting wise Anderlecht are favs to win the league, so that all adds up.
 
Update to which teams are officially in the qualifiers with us, who are likely to join them and where we should end up seeding wise.

Confirmed in qualifying round 2.
Slavia Prague
Dynamo Kiev
Partisan Belgrade
RB Salzburg


Confirmed in qualifying round 3.
Rangers
Lille
FC Twente

Unconfirmed but currently in qualifier positions:
Fenerbache, 3 behind Galatasary, 1 game to go. Will be qualifying round 2.
Lugano, play tomorrow, could still be Servette. Qualifying round 2.
USG, USG and Anderlecht are both 3 points behind Brugge with vastly inferior goal differences to them and at best a level head to head record. Qualifying round 3.
Benfica. If Atalanta either lose the Europa final on Wednesday or take a minimum of 1 point from their remaining 2 league fixtures then Benfica will receive an automatic spot in the group stages.

In terms of seedings there are only 2 teams ranked higher than us, Benfica and Brugge. Brugge are all but confirmed champions now as they have a 3 point lead plus 13 and 18 goal advantages on 2nd and 3rd. They just need 1 point in their final game to confirm it and avoid the qualifying route. Benfica moving automatically to the groups will become clearer after Wednesday but Atalanta should finish 5th in Italy anyway barring a disaster. We are now very likely to be the highest ranked seed with Slavia 2nd if they progress through the previous round.
 
Update to which teams are officially in the qualifiers with us, who are likely to join them and where we should end up seeding wise.

Confirmed in qualifying round 2.
Slavia Prague
Dynamo Kiev
Partisan Belgrade
RB Salzburg


Confirmed in qualifying round 3.
Rangers
Lille
FC Twente

Unconfirmed but currently in qualifier positions:
Fenerbache, 3 behind Galatasary, 1 game to go. Will be qualifying round 2.
Lugano, play tomorrow, could still be Servette. Qualifying round 2.
USG, USG and Anderlecht are both 3 points behind Brugge with vastly inferior goal differences to them and at best a level head to head record. Qualifying round 3.
Benfica. If Atalanta either lose the Europa final on Wednesday or take a minimum of 1 point from their remaining 2 league fixtures then Benfica will receive an automatic spot in the group stages.

In terms of seedings there are only 2 teams ranked higher than us, Benfica and Brugge. Brugge are all but confirmed champions now as they have a 3 point lead plus 13 and 18 goal advantages on 2nd and 3rd. They just need 1 point in their final game to confirm it and avoid the qualifying route. Benfica moving automatically to the groups will become clearer after Wednesday but Atalanta should finish 5th in Italy anyway barring a disaster. We are now very likely to be the highest ranked seed with Slavia 2nd if they progress through the previous round.

Us, Slavia, Salzburg and Lille likely to be the seeded sides in round 3.

Opponents then going to be one of, depending on round 2,

Fenerbahce, FC Twente, Partizan, Dynamo Kiev, Anderlecht / USG, Lugano / Servette.
 
For the play-off round, Clement’s old club CLUB BRUGGE are key. If the Belgians don’t get there then Rangers WILL be seeded but if they are in the play-off hat then Rangers would be unseeded and could face them or BENFICA. Clement spent 10 years of his playing career at Brugge and later managed them, including in the Champions League, so it could be an emotional reunion – with plenty riding on it.


Is that worded badly? "If they don't get there..."

Does that mean to the CL groups via winning the league?

Seems to contracdict itself in the next sentence.

This is usually bang on...


 
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Is that worded badly? "If they don't get there..."

Does that mean to the CL groups via winning the league?

Seems to contracdict itself in the next sentence.

This is usually bang on...


No, it's accurate as they are talking about the final play-off round of qualifying if Brugge and Benfica are also in the 3rd round with us. Now, based on this weekend, it is highly unlikely either will face the qualifiers with Brugge set to win their league and Benfica heading straight to the groups.

Round 2
Slavia, Salzburg, Kiev, Partisan Belgrade, plus very likely Fenerbahce and Lugano (Lugano or Servette decided today, Fener next weekend).
Seeded: Slavia, Salzburg and Fenerbache

Round 3

Rangers, Twente, Lille confirmed. Likely USG or Anderlecht. Still unsure who replaces Benfica but possibly Brann.

Seeded: Rangers

The other 3 seeded teams depends on who gets through the 2nd round but assuming the seeded teams get there then it'd be Rangers and Slavia as top 2 seeds, Salzburg and Lille 3rd and 4th seeds. Fenerbahce, USG/Anderlecht, FC Twente, and whichever team replaces Benfica.
 
No, it's accurate as they are talking about the final play-off round of qualifying if Brugge and Benfica are also in the 3rd round with us. Now, based on this weekend, it is highly unlikely either will face the qualifiers with Brugge set to win their league and Benfica heading straight to the groups.

Round 2
Slavia, Salzburg, Kiev, Partisan Belgrade, plus very likely Fenerbahce and Lugano (Lugano or Servette decided today, Fener next weekend).
Seeded: Slavia, Salzburg and Fenerbache

Round 3

Rangers, Twente, Lille confirmed. Likely USG or Anderlecht. Still unsure who replaces Benfica but possibly Brann.

Seeded: Rangers

The other 3 seeded teams depends on who gets through the 2nd round but assuming the seeded teams get there then it'd be Rangers and Slavia as top 2 seeds, Salzburg and Lille 3rd and 4th seeds. Fenerbahce, USG/Anderlecht, Lugano/Servette and whichever team replaces Benfica unseeded.

Cheers. Couldn't get it but them having to get through R3 makes sense now for "getting there"

R3 looks plenty difficult for us anyway then!
 
I think I'm correct in saying this, if club Brugge win the league and then Leverkusen win Europa then Lille would be the 4th seeded for 3rd qualifying round? Whereas currently they would be unseeded?
 
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