shoulder is halfway down his arm FFS!Highly doubtful that the margin for error and scale of the lines are as accurate as they seem to think they are
I wonder what the frame rate is on the camera and screens, 24fps perhaps? That must feed into any potential error.Highly doubtful that the margin for error and scale of the lines are as accurate as they seem to think they are
There was a filmmaker on Talksport saying that they aren’t using the correct cameras especially for the offside decisions.I wonder what the frame rate is on the camera and screens, 24fps perhaps? That must feed into any potential error.
Very Ryan Jack-esque.Red is harsh but it is offside and it is a pen.
It all looks a bit haphazard with the left a bit, ooops right a bitHighly doubtful that the margin for error and scale of the lines are as accurate as they seem to think they are
If anything, I think they gave the defender more leeway there.shoulder is halfway down his arm FFS!
Yeah, will make a huge difference if they can get the automated offside tech rolled out everywhere.It all looks a bit haphazard with the left a bit, ooops right a bit
Ultimately they came to the correct decision which is what it's for.Red is harsh but it is offside and it is a pen.
See when he goes to the on field monitor to review, and they show the wide angle (from halfway) - I bet that is the only angle they show Scottish refs!
Probably done that way because there is no need for an onfield review of the offside decision if that's what it ultimately comes down to. So confirm the offside decision, then look to see if there's anything else. Referee knows straight away its no goal then.Took a Hell of a long time to go through that and a huge faff, not to mention starting with the latest decision point and working in reverse seemed a bit mental. If they knew they were going to check penalty calls earlier in the timeline than the offside, doesn't it make sense to start with them when they make the later decisions irrelevant?
Ultimately probably the right call in terms of the penalty/red card given the high foot onto the ankle on the follow through. Although, plenty would call it harsh, but that's the modern game really.
From a game a couple of weeks ago, i am sure michael stewart suggested it cant be a penalty if the defender gets a slight touch on the ball and leaves their leg in. Wonder what he thinks of thisThere was a filmmaker on Talksport saying that they aren’t using the correct cameras especially for the offside decisions.
As for the red card there where exactly is Romero’s foot supposed to go after winning the ball?
If its not offside then the goal stands, thats why that is checked firstTook a Hell of a long time to go through that and a huge faff, not to mention starting with the latest decision point and working in reverse seemed a bit mental. If they knew they were going to check penalty calls earlier in the timeline than the offside, doesn't it make sense to start with them when they make the later decisions irrelevant?
Ultimately probably the right call in terms of the penalty/red card given the high foot onto the ankle on the follow through. Although, plenty would call it harsh, but that's the modern game really.
I agree, a dive is punishable by a free kick so shouldn't have got as far as the penalty and red card for the Romero challenge.if I was reviewing that id give a free kick spurs as its a clear dive by sterling before any of it.
As simple as that.Took too long, but there were multiple incidents to review. In the end, the decisions were correct.
That's what we want isn't it, correct decisions?
Took too long, but there were multiple incidents to review. In the end, the decisions were correct.
That's what we want isn't it, correct decisions?
Diving seems to be something that just gets let go. Your lucky if 1/10 result in a yellow card after it being something they were looking to clamp down on a few seasons ago.does it not all start with a foul by sterling for a clear dive or is that just to be ignored?
I don't see it as a clear dive. There's no contact, or at best minimal contact, but the word they use is a 'stumble'. It doesn't have to be a binary decision of 'foul' or 'dive' and I think that incident falls into that category.does it not all start with a foul by sterling for a clear dive or is that just to be ignored?
Fair pointIf its not offside then the goal stands, thats why that is checked first
there is clearly no contact and he falls theatrically to try and win a penalty. Its as clear a dive as you will see. Correct decision would have been free kick spursI don't see it as a clear dive. There's no contact, or at best minimal contact, but the word they use is a 'stumble'. It doesn't have to be a binary decision of 'foul' or 'dive' and I think that incident falls into that category.
VAR is here to stay and am sure in due course everything will be automated and thus decisions sped up.Honestly this is why VAR is here to stay, correct decisions made all be it far too slowly and offside should be automated.
How can awarding a foul become automated? Technology isn’t that good is it?VAR is here to stay and am sure in due course everything will be automated and thus decisions sped up.
Or he's moving at speed and trying to change direction and 'stumbles'. Its far from 'as clear a dive as you will see'. You not watched Furuhashi? As I said, it doesn't have to be one or the other. There's enough doubt to let it go (despite Sterling's history).there is clearly no contact and he falls theatrically to try and win a penalty. Its as clear a dive as you will see. Correct decision would have been free kick spurs
Semi-automated offside tech is on it's way I believe. Powered by AI.How can awarding a foul become automated? Technology isn’t that good is it?
I’m well aware of that. I read that post as all decisions however, surely there will always have to be a human involved when it comes to making decisions with penalties, handballs etc?Semi-automated offside tech is on it's way I believe. Powered by AI.
EDIT: https://www.skysports.com/football/...y-to-be-introduced-for-first-time-next-season
I don't think Sterling even makes a claim for anything. Loses his footing as you say and just gets back up afterOr he's moving at speed and trying to change direction and 'stumbles'. Its far from 'as clear a dive as you will see'. You not watched Furuhashi? As I said, it doesn't have to be one or the other. There's enough doubt to let it go (despite Sterling's history).
Yeah, they can't automate anything that has subjectivity to it. Could only be for factual decisions - even at that, God help us the second a slightly contentious one gets through... meltdown incomingI’m well aware of that. I read that post as all decisions however, surely there will always have to be a human involved when it comes to making decisions with penalties, handballs etc?
Correct. Tech will work for matters of 'fact', like offside or whether the ball is over the line. We might even see it, eventually, able to tell if an offence is inside the box or outside. Subjective decisions, like red cards and handballs - where some experience and judgement is required - will always be human driven. Not every handball inside the area is a penalty (as we know so well) and not every strong tackle merits a red card. Referee has to make that call.I’m well aware of that. I read that post as all decisions however, surely there will always have to be a human involved when it comes to making decisions with penalties, handballs etc?
Has any VAR conversation up here ever been released?They'd still be working that out if in Scotland or would give up and make some shit up and lie.
Yeah, I watched/listened to footage of our penalty Away to St Mirren earlier in the season. It was shown in a discussion on Sky with Crawford Allen. So much noise and so many voices all gibbering at the same time.Has any VAR conversation up here ever been released?
Not the foul but deciding off-sides...Instead of two guys trying to line up a couple of cursors, I fully expect to see technology displaying it straight off.How can awarding a foul become automated? Technology isn’t that good is it?
Yip just not the uber controversial one that probably showed cheating so was swept under the carpet.Has any VAR conversation up here ever been released?
Took too long, but there were multiple incidents to review. In the end, the decisions were correct.
That's what we want isn't it, correct decisions?
That's the semi-automated stuff we saw in our Play-Off game v PSV at Ibrox. It was a very tight call whether Dessers was offside before playing that lovely pass to Matondo for his goal. The semi-automated VAR had the decision in under a minute and immediately had the AI generated graphic on TV. Due to be introduced in the EPL next season.Not the foul but deciding off-sides...Instead of two guys trying to line up a couple of cursors, I fully expect to see technology displaying it straight off.