Official Compromise reached over Old firm ticketing - SPFL announcement

[CLSFB]

I think 800 for us fine. Hearts can win there with 800. The fan number is not the problem

Hearts don’t have 59,000 fans making parkhead bouncing to deal with. That’s a nonsense argument mate.

 

[Desolatedadobear]

We shouldn’t be entering into any deals with these paedo bastards, they should be f&cked out the professional leagues.

 

[OlegKuznetsov]

Rangers seats for Celtic fans

Rangers fans locked out to allow the scum a platform.

%^*& them

 

[truebluerfc]

Do we not get 3000 for the piggery under the 5% deal?

 

[blueman14]

The only reason that 800 was chosen was on the advice of Police and Rangers security as the only safe alternative to 7500.
It was always seen as too low by the club but they had to follow the security advice.
The full 2500 European allocation causes problems for Rangers fans in the Broomloan by reducing the turnstiles available to them so the club needed to act on this going forward.
We will add extra turnstiles to accommodate the European allocation which will therefore increase the turnstiles available to Rangers fans in the Broomloan on big European nights
It is this change which allows us to increase the away support and get more of our fans into the piggery.

Great how they can spend the cash for new turnstiles for the tims coming to Ibrox but those in CR are getting shafted by having 1k extra fans using the same amount of turnstiles next season.

The men who are running the club are in for some serious heat next season from the home support.

 

[Blues and Royals]

It'll start at 3,000 today, then by the time of the first game at the piggery the peasants will make up some excuse, probably health and safety, to lower that amount. We'll be lucky to see 2,000 Bears at their dump.

Think we’ve already been reduced to 2,500 and that’s within hours of the announcement.

 

[Albertz Loyal]

Hearts don’t have 59,000 fans making parkhead bouncing to deal with. That’s a nonsense argument mate.

They have the number of fans against them, and the same number in Park. Like you said, it doesn't stop them beating us

 

[cooprfc]

I think 800 for us fine. Hearts can win there with 800. The fan number is not the problem

Well I personally think the old firm games at Ibrox have a louder home crowd when there's an away crowd to bounce off of.

This isn't some kind of staunch off.

 

[Albertz Loyal]

Well I personally think the old firm games at Ibrox have a louder home crowd when there's an away crowd to bounce off of.

This isn't some kind of staunch off.

Agree, give them 800

 

[MVLoyal]

But we don’t hate them as much. We give in to their demands. We fail to make a stand and they dictate the narrative.

Enjoy your day. Be careful what you sing, though. They took our anthem and have had us arrested…

Their demands? Just because you didn’t want an increase in allocations doesn’t mean everyone thought the same.

99% of the people I know attending the games wanted this, FF isn’t the voice of the Rangers support

 

[Pathfinder]

We’ll play them whenever the Vatican or Palestinian leagues get into Europe until then fukem.

 

[remembertheepoch]

I completely get this thread will not be popular, as probably most the people on here are the people who go to away games.

The decision to give Them 2500 is a huge decision, and primarily a decision to appease the minority of vocal and committed fans who go to away games, and want to go back to Celtic Park to support our team.

Firstly, I completely understand the argument for for those supporters.

I find strange:

1:Statements saying the league/sky were involved. Why? Tv deal is locked in for years

2: The club losing money to compensate season ticket holders for 2 games a season. How can a company with shareholders justify less revenue?

3: welcoming a team who don't recognize our club, the old firm, ran pedophile ring for 30 years with open arms, and still giving them prime tv seats

4: wanting to treat them any differently from other clubs in the league

It should be 800 fans, we all wanted this a few years ago, but because the most vocal want to go to parkhead, thousands of fans will now miss out supporting our team at Ibrox

if they are getting any tickets behind the goal, then we need to also get tickets behind the goal at the rolf harris arena. It HAS to be like for like.

 

[steven allen]

I completely get this thread will not be popular, as probably most the people on here are the people who go to away games.

The decision to give Them 2500 is a huge decision, and primarily a decision to appease the minority of vocal and committed fans who go to away games, and want to go back to Celtic Park to support our team.

Firstly, I completely understand the argument for for those supporters.

I find strange:

1:Statements saying the league/sky were involved. Why? Tv deal is locked in for years

2: The club losing money to compensate season ticket holders for 2 games a season. How can a company with shareholders justify less revenue?

3: welcoming a team who don't recognize our club, the old firm, ran pedophile ring for 30 years with open arms, and still giving them prime tv seats

4: wanting to treat them any differently from other clubs in the league

It should be 800 fans, we all wanted this a few years ago, but because the most vocal want to go to parkhead, thousands of fans will now miss out supporting our team at Ibrox

We gain nothing from having them in our stadium but we lose a lot

 

[RandyMac]

I think the first paragraph kind of contradicts the thread title. I don’t think it’s a minority at all.
Personally I think the minority are the ones who want either 800 or no fans at all at either ground.

 

[True Blue]

We all didn’t want this a few years ago.

And the fact the poll below is EXACTLY 50/50 right now, it tells you it isn’t the minority and infact the support is completely split on it

I don’t think you can assume that a poll on here is representative of the support as a whole.
As the OP points out, many on here are probably amongst those who attend away games and so more likely to be in favour.

 

[Kingdom Bear]

I completely get this thread will not be popular, as probably most the people on here are the people who go to away games.

The decision to give Them 2500 is a huge decision, and primarily a decision to appease the minority of vocal and committed fans who go to away games, and want to go back to Celtic Park to support our team.

Firstly, I completely understand the argument for for those supporters.

I find strange:

1:Statements saying the league/sky were involved. Why? Tv deal is locked in for years

2: The club losing money to compensate season ticket holders for 2 games a season. How can a company with shareholders justify less revenue?

3: welcoming a team who don't recognize our club, the old firm, ran pedophile ring for 30 years with open arms, and still giving them prime tv seats

4: wanting to treat them any differently from other clubs in the league

It should be 800 fans, we all wanted this a few years ago, but because the most vocal want to go to parkhead, thousands of fans will now miss out supporting our team at Ibrox

Totally agree

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

TV runs football. Sky want the SPFL deal for 4 old firm games a season, it’s that simple.

It’s the biggest part of the deal, and if those games have no away fans contributing to the atmosphere, then they’ll be making life very difficult for the SPFL. The league haven’t to this point; but they would start to invoke the rules and punish clubs who failed to deliver the minimum requirements if Sky started threatening to exit.

Even though our deal is a pittance compared to the EPL, it’s still millions of £ a year and a consistent revenue stream for the full league. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

2.5-3k fans is a sensible compromise. Mygers will benefit (more value in having it for a chance of a ticket) and the away support which isn’t a ‘minority’ but is actually the essence of the Rangers support and not just the casual fans.

 

[CLSFB]

I don’t think you can assume that a poll on here is representative of the support as a whole.
As the OP points out, many on here are probably amongst those who attend away games and so more likely to be in favour.

If you want to go down the route, social media is showing a clear majority of people wanting this.

 

[Trafalgar]

I think the first paragraph kind of contradicts the thread title. I don’t think it’s a minority at all.
Personally I think the minority are the ones who want either 800 or no fans at all at either ground.

It's about 50 / 50

 

[Cucumbear]

If it was up to me, I’d never let even one of the smelly bastards through the turnstiles. I do attend away games, I get annoyed when I don’t get one. But I’d sacrifice an away ticket at the piggery to not allow them into our magnificent stadium. That’s my opinion only.

 

[Careca]

They should be treated no differently to any other team. Sickening from the club today. Shat on our own loyal fans and now hiding behind Sky wanted it fairy tales.

If it’s the spectacle they want, maybe all powerful Sky will step in and ask Kilmarnock, Motherwell, st Johnstone, Hibs and St Mirren why they have thousands of empty seats for televised games, rather than sell us the tickets?

 

[govanite]

AS I SAY PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE SCUMBAGs Why would people want their supportwers rather than ours its a fookin sell out.It starts next season are the club going to garauntee Ibrox's capacity is going to be increased too ccomodate our supporters.Yes our supporters not their supporters.

 

[BSPECIAL]

Give the animals fekk all tickets. They are lowlife and will be nothing but bad news visiting Ibrox. As in everything give them a foot in the doorway and they will infest and pollute the whole stadium. Did we really negotiate this or were we dictated to accept this.

 

[Jimmy2shoes]

Make their day hell when they come and send them home with their tails between their legs after we pump their shitty team.

 

[deBoersHeader]

Their demands? Just because you didn’t want an increase in allocations doesn’t mean everyone thought the same.

99% of the people I know attending the games wanted this, FF isn’t the voice of the Rangers support

They wanted Rangers fans locked out to accommodate scum?

 

[CLSFB]

They should be treated no differently to any other team. Sickening from the club today. Shat on our own loyal fans and now hiding behind Sky wanted it fairy tales.

If it’s the spectacle they want, maybe all powerful Sky will step in and ask Kilmarnock, Motherwell, st Johnstone, Hibs and St Mirren why they have thousands of empty seats for televised games, rather than sell us the tickets?

They’ve done the complete opposite. They helped our loyal fans.

 

[Ready72]

If it was up to me, I’d never let even one of the smelly bastards through the turnstiles. I do attend away games, I get annoyed when I don’t get one. But I’d sacrifice an away ticket at the piggery to not allow them into our magnificent stadium. That’s my opinion only.

People are rejoicing at putting season ticket holders out of their seats they’ve paid for, to accommodate and welcome back 2.5k of that lot and their songs of hate and everything else twice a season.
Grim.

 

[Blue114]

I don’t want any of that lot in our stadium, give them fücking nothing …

Giving them tickets just because some of our fans want to go to the shit tip is miles away from the real issue..

They hate us and I fũcking despise the bastards and that’s how I like it..

 

[McCoist’sTinHat]

They should be treated no differently to any other team. Sickening from the club today. Shat on our own loyal fans and now hiding behind Sky wanted it fairy tales.

If it’s the spectacle they want, maybe all powerful Sky will step in and ask Kilmarnock, Motherwell, st Johnstone, Hibs and St Mirren why they have thousands of empty seats for televised games, rather than sell us the tickets?

They don’t care about empty seats at those games because anyone not there is watching the game on their channel.

The Old Firm game is the only one on their Scottish scheduling that actually attracts a UK wide viewership. That’s why they want to maximise it.

 

[BenVorlich]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Sky had a say in the allocation numbers.

Highly doubt that 3000 makes any sort of difference in a 61k capacity.
Personally would have left it as it was.

 

[True Blue]

If you want to go down the route, social media is showing a clear majority of people wanting this.

I think the same could apply, ie the more committed being more likely to make a point of commenting on this.
Interesting though that this time around the club didn’t canvass views of ST holders.
Perhaps because of the likelihood that the response would be similar as previously.

 

[kdy_bear]

Then you would have to escort them in along Edmiston drive.

Whilst it makes sense inside the stadium to have them in bf1, outside is more important and the nature exit down Broomloan road probably means it won’t change

If their in BF1 they don't have to come down Emiston Drive, mentally challenged barriers means they can be shoe horned from Broomloan Rd in to the stadium
They'll be using these barriers anyway probably, to get to the corner, at BF5, just need a few more.

 

[Gringotts Dragon]

The club crumbled to a vocal minority in 2018 when Papa Smurf done his message board survey

There was over 40000 season ticket holders at the time and at least 35000 weren’t asked their opinion. I believe there was around 5000 participants in the message board survey and I’ve yet to meet anyone I know that took part

So if you’re going to say that the club have crumbled to a vocal minority now, surely you recognise the irony in the statement?

 

[Class of 72]

TV runs football. Sky want the SPFL deal for 4 old firm games a season, it’s that simple.

It’s the biggest part of the deal, and if those games have no away fans contributing to the atmosphere, then they’ll be making life very difficult for the SPFL. The league haven’t to this point; but they would start to invoke the rules and punish clubs who failed to deliver the minimum requirements if Sky started threatening to exit.

Even though our deal is a pittance compared to the EPL, it’s still millions of £ a year and a consistent revenue stream for the full league. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

2.5-3k fans is a sensible compromise. Mygers will benefit (more value in having it for a chance of a ticket) and the away support which isn’t a ‘minority’ but is actually the essence of the Rangers support and not just the casual fans.

I don’t believe that sky forced us into accepting more of them at ours for an OF game, but, if they did I’ll bet dollars to donuts that someone at Celtic was involved with a wee word in the right ear. It’s what they do, everything is political with these rats.

 

[IbroxMainStand]

TV runs football. Sky want the SPFL deal for 4 old firm games a season, it’s that simple.

It’s the biggest part of the deal, and if those games have no away fans contributing to the atmosphere, then they’ll be making life very difficult for the SPFL. The league haven’t to this point; but they would start to invoke the rules and punish clubs who failed to deliver the minimum requirements if Sky started threatening to exit.

Even though our deal is a pittance compared to the EPL, it’s still millions of £ a year and a consistent revenue stream for the full league. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

2.5-3k fans is a sensible compromise. Mygers will benefit (more value in having it for a chance of a ticket) and the away support which isn’t a ‘minority’ but is actually the essence of the Rangers support and not just the casual fans.

If its all about TV why have Sky not intervened in the last 6 years. This new arrangement will see no difference to how the games looked when they gave us 700-800 tickets at the piggery. Its the exact same corner with an extra 1500 tickets.

 

[TriggersBroom]

I completely get this thread will not be popular, as probably most the people on here are the people who go to away games.

The decision to give Them 2500 is a huge decision, and primarily a decision to appease the minority of vocal and committed fans who go to away games, and want to go back to Celtic Park to support our team.

Firstly, I completely understand the argument for for those supporters.

I find strange:

1:Statements saying the league/sky were involved. Why? Tv deal is locked in for years

2: The club losing money to compensate season ticket holders for 2 games a season. How can a company with shareholders justify less revenue?

3: welcoming a team who don't recognize our club, the old firm, ran pedophile ring for 30 years with open arms, and still giving them prime tv seats

4: wanting to treat them any differently from other clubs in the league

It should be 800 fans, we all wanted this a few years ago, but because the most vocal want to go to parkhead, thousands of fans will now miss out supporting our team at Ibrox

No “we all” didn’t want it reduced to 800 several years ago so stop peddling this nonsense

The club made the decision based on an internet survey that anyone could fill in, including some tims who were posting online at the time that they had filled in entries for a laugh

The club should have surveyed every st holder before making any decision

I and thousands of others are delighted at todays long overdue agreement

 

[Cavin]

It's nothing to do with our fans, purely to suit the tims!

 

[Gringotts Dragon]

I think the first paragraph kind of contradicts the thread title. I don’t think it’s a minority at all.
Personally I think the minority are the ones who want either 800 or no fans at all at either ground.

I don’t think there’ll be a clear majority either way. If you balloted all season ticket holders I reckon it would be somewhere between 50/50 and 60/40 either way

My personal opinion is that I believe most people don’t really care as it doesn’t impact them. Either it doesn’t affect their seat at Ibrox or they don’t overly care about away games

 

[Crown_Defender]

I completely get this thread will not be popular, as probably most the people on here are the people who go to away games.

The decision to give Them 2500 is a huge decision, and primarily a decision to appease the minority of vocal and committed fans who go to away games, and want to go back to Celtic Park to support our team.

Firstly, I completely understand the argument for for those supporters.

I find strange:

1:Statements saying the league/sky were involved. Why? Tv deal is locked in for years

2: The club losing money to compensate season ticket holders for 2 games a season. How can a company with shareholders justify less revenue?

3: welcoming a team who don't recognize our club, the old firm, ran pedophile ring for 30 years with open arms, and still giving them prime tv seats

4: wanting to treat them any differently from other clubs in the league

It should be 800 fans, we all wanted this a few years ago, but because the most vocal want to go to parkhead, thousands of fans will now miss out supporting our team at Ibrox

Sorry mate but, 'we all' didn't want this. You don't speak for me and the survey done, although well intentioned by a poster on here whom I respect very much, was fundamentally flawed. You just need to look at the poll further down the board to see how divided everyone is on the subject, although it's obviously a very small sample. I will also say that 90% of the punters on our bus were against the allocation being cut so drastically at the time. I know that's the case for the buses we regularly travel with too. You might want to think it's a vocal minority but, the reality is much different.

I'm also not sure how the Club loses money here although I might be picking you up incorrectly? The club are compensating people the exact cost of two OF tickets. Those seats will be sold for that price. The Club loses nothing.

As I said on another thread I don't think it's fair that those affected by the seat move aren't guaranteed tickets for those two matches though. That's an own goal imo.

 

[CLSFB]

I think the same could apply, ie the more committed being more likely to make a point of commenting on this.
Interesting though that this time around the club didn’t canvass views of ST holders.
Perhaps because of the likelihood that the response would be similar as previously.

So if a poll on here doesn’t represent the rangers support, or social media doesn’t represent the Rangers support, what exactly does?

 

[Careca]

They’ve done the complete opposite. They helped our ‘entitled’ fans.
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Enjoy your day out. Hope it was worth it.

 

[Gringotts Dragon]

It's nothing to do with our fans, purely to suit the tims!

Yeah, having an extra 2300 rangers fans at Parkhead doesn’t suit us

 

[Hurricane Run]

They don’t care about empty seats at those games because anyone not there is watching the game on their channel.

The Old Firm game is the only one on their Scottish scheduling that actually attracts a UK wide viewership. That’s why they want to maximise it.

No one in history has turned a game off because they couldnt see away fans on TV. They might - and i agree here - think it adds to the spectacle, but theres no danger its affecting their bottom line viewership figures.

Either way, they had no leverage. If they did we wouldnt have been able to reduce the allocation to begin with and Celtic absolutely categorically would not have been allowed to decline us any allocation.

The sky angle is being massively overplayed here - but even were it true, why would you give them it for free? Monetise it. Then you can at least sell it to the fans that it was a business decision.

 

[TheGreatDane]

They will continue to traet our fans like scum when we go there - we will roll out the red carpet - its sickening - There should have been lots of issues to be dealt with before agreeing to ANYTHING with these scumbags - eg not hiding our fans away out of sight of TV and in restricted view etc

What’s the basis behind us “rolling out the red carpet” for them?

Or is it just made up nonsense?

 

[Kingdom Bear]

TV runs football. Sky want the SPFL deal for 4 old firm games a season, it’s that simple.

It’s the biggest part of the deal, and if those games have no away fans contributing to the atmosphere, then they’ll be making life very difficult for the SPFL. The league haven’t to this point; but they would start to invoke the rules and punish clubs who failed to deliver the minimum requirements if Sky started threatening to exit.

Even though our deal is a pittance compared to the EPL, it’s still millions of £ a year and a consistent revenue stream for the full league. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

2.5-3k fans is a sensible compromise. Mygers will benefit (more value in having it for a chance of a ticket) and the away support which isn’t a ‘minority’ but is actually the essence of the Rangers support and not just the casual fans.

Sky were only upset that they can’t fawn over the mhanks in the Broomloan and treat us to the usual Tim fest ….. it’s a fantastic PR vehicle for the Tim’s, while our fans are invisible at the piggery

 

[Class of 72]

Wow, 9 hrs and it’s 50/50 413 for each.

 

[Craig]

A return to 'building bridges'

 

[Cavin]

Yeah, having an extra 2300 rangers fans at Parkhead doesn’t suit us

They get 5%
We don't
You're getting the pish ripped out of you.
Again!!

 

[TheGreatDane]

Yeah, having an extra 2300 rangers fans at Parkhead doesn’t suit us

Aye…and our board now made decisions, purely to suit them. Utter nonsense man.

 

[BrooklynBlue]

Their demands? Just because you didn’t want an increase in allocations doesn’t mean everyone thought the same.

99% of the people I know attending the games wanted this, FF isn’t the voice of the Rangers support

Yes, their demands. The change has occurred because Celtic pushed for it.

They decided 800 wasn’t enough and simply refused to give us tickets despite it being a breach of the ‘laws’.

You may agree with the outcome but it was Celtic who dictated it.