The Heysel disaster, caused by the SAS.

[chickenhawk]

I know this Guy . did basic training with him the Army 90s, even ended up in the same Troop as him after posting.
Im not surprised by his ramblings, was reading books about Michael Collins and all that , claimed he wasnt English but Scouse Irish.
I could tell a few stories about him!

 

[Lumbear-2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778162743658336720

I know social media can be bonkers at the best of times.
But this Liverpool fan and others, seem to believe that the death of fans at the 1985 European Cup final was the work of the British government who used the armed forces?
I had never heard this conspiracy theory before.
Others seem to indicate that fans of other clubs went to Belgium to cause mayhem to make Liverpool look bad?
Does anyone know non Liverpool fans that were there and what was the experience?

Imagine actually putting your name to that.

 

[Thommo2006]

I know this Guy . did basic training with him the Army 90s, even ended up in the same Troop as him after posting.
Im not surprised by his ramblings, was reading books about Michael Collins and all that , claimed he wasnt English but Scouse Irish.
I could tell a few stories about him!

get them telt haha

 

[Thommo2006]

I think the reason Heysel doesn't get mentioned as much as Hillsborough is because Hillsborough was dominated for years by cover up's, had the police, government whoever came out at the time afterwards and said we got things wrong then while it would still be a huge tragedy the coverage over the years would probably be a lot less and only really brought up on the anniversary

 

[jtc]

I recall after the 2008 final, plenty people on here insisting it was fans of other teams who had started and maintained the trouble in Manchester that night. I guess you'll always get that element of deflection in an attempt to protect your own team.

Mind you, no one went as far as to say it was the SAS and Government

There probably would be fans of other teams .Mainly English lads I'd presume who follow whoever but like or love Rangers.Most football lads iv met in England lean towards Rangers.Its a British thing

 

[Pete Love]

There’s plenty of truth in what you’re saying about Manchester though.

I was there and can recall Millwall fans present and causing trouble.

Clearly our own were just as culpable but it’s a stretch to compare it to the ultimate fantasy of blaming the SAS

I didn't compare it. In fact I specifically called out at the end of my post how we didn't go that far....

 

[imager]

Liverpool and their Supporters have succeeded in using Hillsborough to erase Heysel!

 

[jtc]

Yes, I had heard that before, there is some Liverpool fans maintain Chelsea and Millwall fans were in Belgium that day causing bother.
I have my doubts.

There may have been a few from different teams go .I will wager heavily it had nothing to do with wanting a row and more to do with ' grafting ', shoplifting.Those days,no CCTV,no tags on clothes.English teams in Europe used to clean shops out.Even heard a team of Blues went to Rotterdam in 82 when villa won EC to ' graft'.

 

[chickenhawk]

get them telt haha

He wasnt a bad lad to be honest, just a guy who was unsuited to the Army. Just about last in every run , tab or whatever.
Think he just wanted out after basic but you have to do minimum 3.5 years once you went over a certain length of service.
There was a cracking picture of him barfing his load on excercise after coming out the mess Tent, big line of projectile vomit from his mouth to the deck.
Then there was the time he disappeared for about 3hrs on ex to do a 15min task. He had got tangled up in a cam net and said he couldnt get out. The other lads were howling with laughter when he turned up to get berrated by the full screws.

 

[savus]

Maggie Thatcher co-ordinated the whole scheme because she really hated the scouse accent and hated their sense of humour.

If Mountbatten had still been alive he would have been involved as well just because that’s the type of guy he was.

 

[Coza]

I recall after the 2008 final, plenty people on here insisting it was fans of other teams who had started and maintained the trouble in Manchester that night. I guess you'll always get that element of deflection in an attempt to protect your own team.

Mind you, no one went as far as to say it was the SAS and Government

I was going to mention 2008. Someone put up quite a persuasive video on here once that showed in 3-4-5-6 incidents the perpetrators were by and large the same 2-3folk who ignited the flash point then very quickly exited stage left leaving moronic middle aged men in Rangers tops to carry it on and make the headlines.

From my own point of view I spoke to a police officer mid day on the game of the final outside the town centre and he said ‘be careful guys there are firms from all over the country here’.

Then post game on a very quiet bus home to didsbury a couple boys wearing our top with strong scouse accents said amongst themselves ‘I love rangers fans, always up for a scrap’. Ten minutes later these same lads were singing ‘For it’s a grand old team’. No self respecting Rangers fan is singing that.

 

[oa81]

"Catholic Liverpool-Irish" in that tramps bio - tells you all you need to know

 

[Fingers1872]

Nobody ever seems to comment regarding the build up to the Heysel tragedy. Liverpool played Roma in Rome in the previous seasons final and more than a few scousers were stabbed (earlier in the competition 2 Gothenburg fans were stabbed to death in Rome). They had a bee in their bonnet regarding Italians and it all played out that night. I'm not in anyway condoning the scousers, I dislike them intensely, but that and the organisation by EUFA, 2 sets of fans in the same end, and it was a powder keg situation.

 

[spotlight]

I recall after the 2008 final, plenty people on here insisting it was fans of other teams who had started and maintained the trouble in Manchester that night. I guess you'll always get that element of deflection in an attempt to protect your own team.

Mind you, no one went as far as to say it was the SAS and Government

I was surprised at the amount of young lads with Nothern England accents with Rangers tops on of different types. Now there would be some who were Bears but there was definitely a presence of other clubs young lads in amongst the whole thing. No surprise really they would have known it would be a mental day and came along for the ride.
Remember a video of one lad like this just idling up to the side of a drunk older Bear and just punching him out. The younger guy had a Rangers top on.
Hard to explain but you knew some of them were interlopers.
I think from smaller North of England teams. Just joined in with the carnage.

 

[spotlight]

Nobody ever seems to comment regarding the build up to the Heysel tragedy. Liverpool played Roma in Rome in the previous seasons final and more than a few scousers were stabbed (earlier in the competition 2 Gothenburg fans were stabbed to death in Rome). They had a bee in their bonnet regarding Italians and it all played out that night. I'm not in anyway condoning the scousers, I dislike them intensely, but that and the organisation by EUFA, 2 sets of fans in the same end, and it was a powder keg situation.

Thats true, also Dundee Utd had playedRoma in the round before, the semi finals. It could have been a Utd - Liverpool final. Utd fans came home with various stories of the nightmares that went on trying to get to and from the ground in Rome. That spread to the Liverpool fans a bit too.

 

[RodVegas]

Any scouse victim pish always makes me think of Jerry Sadowitz shouting "it was meeeeerder! It was meeeeerder!"

 

[Captain Black]

Liverpool fans are scum.

I know a lot of good ones,but this type of
rubbish does know one any good.

 

[Class of 72]

If I say what I think I will be in trouble.

 

[Mr Bear]

The clown Heaton is partially correct - I was there as a serving (Germany based) military, non-Liverpool supporter however, people should not confuse his mention of the Scottish Alcoholic Squadron. Although similarly named to the other unit in many ways, we specialised in NAAFI pool table assault tactics, long tabs back to Camp when you had no money left for taxis and covert/ rapid extraction techniques when a bar bill was due.

 

[RabSpackman]

I was surprised at the amount of young lads with Nothern England accents with Rangers tops on of different types. Now there would be some who were Bears but there was definitely a presence of other clubs young lads in amongst the whole thing. No surprise really they would have known it would be a mental day and came along for the ride.
Remember a video of one lad like this just idling up to the side of a drunk older Bear and just punching him out. The younger guy had a Rangers top on.
Hard to explain but you knew some of them were interlopers.
I think from smaller North of England teams. Just joined in with the carnage.

There was talk of Killie, Hibs & Motherwell fans who went down to be part of the atmosphere.. there is no way that you didn’t have every English firm within a couple of hours of travel going to Manchester to be in the middle of it.

It was an uncontrollable situation.

 

[RabSpackman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778162743658336720

I know social media can be bonkers at the best of times.
But this Liverpool fan and others, seem to believe that the death of fans at the 1985 European Cup final was the work of the British government who used the armed forces?
I had never heard this conspiracy theory before.
Others seem to indicate that fans of other clubs went to Belgium to cause mayhem to make Liverpool look bad?
Does anyone know non Liverpool fans that were there and what was the experience?

Absolutely nuts but there is a significant amount of the Liverpool support that laps up this nonsense.

I sat next to them at the League Cup Final a couple of years ago and the songs and abuse getting shouted at “Southern” Chelsea fans were something else.
There is an obsession with Toaries, South of England and the Monarchy that would make Declan blush.

 

[Shankillglenmen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778162743658336720

I know social media can be bonkers at the best of times.
But this Liverpool fan and others, seem to believe that the death of fans at the 1985 European Cup final was the work of the British government who used the armed forces?
I had never heard this conspiracy theory before.
Others seem to indicate that fans of other clubs went to Belgium to cause mayhem to make Liverpool look bad?
Does anyone know non Liverpool fans that were there and what was the experience?

Scouse mentality scum like east end of Glasgow scum always the victims

 

[tumsheeheed]

I know quite a few Liverpool fans that were there that night and everyone of them to a man came back from that tragic day and said the same thing that the Juventus fans killed themselves by running away then of course Hillsborough happened and that was everybody else’s fault.Champions of victimhood.

 

[BroomloanWATP]

Liverpool fans are scum.

Please, please. They are murdering scum.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Wired to the moon that guy.

 

[Bearskin]

Heysel by Andy McNab.
Arseholes.

Belgium Two Zero

 

[Orange Peel]

Belgium Two Zero

Disgusted I missed that.

 

[spotlight]

There was talk of Killie, Hibs & Motherwell fans who went down to be part of the atmosphere.. there is no way that you didn’t have every English firm within a couple of hours of travel going to Manchester to be in the middle of it.

It was an uncontrollable situation.

Definitely a lot of young lads just joined in knowing things would be wild in amongst more than 200k fans. Loads from North of England.

 

[Bearskin]

Disgusted I missed that.

I'm slightly disheartened I missed it as Brussels Two Zero

 

[SimonLeBon]

Liverpool fans, the Celtic fans of England just about sums them up perfectly.

 

[Orange Peel]

I'm slightly disheartened I missed it as Brussels Two Zero

Bravo.

 

[1872]

In the video Trouble on the Terraces from the 90’s you can see a guy in an Arsenal shirt steaming in to the area not that far from where the Juve fans died. Can’t say for sure if there was fans of any other clubs there.

Incidentally we get mentioned a few times in that video “nobody ever wants to draw Glasgow Rangers, not even in a friendly.” Was one of the quotes I remember from it

 

[spotlight]

I was going to mention 2008. Someone put up quite a persuasive video on here once that showed in 3-4-5-6 incidents the perpetrators were by and large the same 2-3folk who ignited the flash point then very quickly exited stage left leaving moronic middle aged men in Rangers tops to carry it on and make the headlines.

From my own point of view I spoke to a police officer mid day on the game of the final outside the town centre and he said ‘be careful guys there are firms from all over the country here’.

Then post game on a very quiet bus home to didsbury a couple boys wearing our top with strong scouse accents said amongst themselves ‘I love rangers fans, always up for a scrap’. Ten minutes later these same lads were singing ‘For it’s a grand old team’. No self respecting Rangers fan is singing that.

That’s the feeling I got. You know when there are lads in amongst us who are just there for a jolly. There were loads in Manchester from all over England. Know of Pompy, West Ham etc who were Bears. But there were definitely other lads there just mingling in and up for having a riot.

 

[EssexRangers]

Liverpool, Celtic, Catholics,
Never ending cycle of Victim mentality.

I was shown an unpublished Police report a few years after Hillsborough and it stated around 85% (can't remember the exact figure) of the victims had no identification or money on them as it had all been stolen by fellow fans. It made identification more difficult in the first few days.

It came from the very Police officers they have tried to blame for 35 years for the deaths.
It was the scousers outside Leppings Lane that lead to the shocking fatalities inside the ground. IMO

 

[Clicker]

Definitely a lot of young lads just joined in knowing things would be wild in amongst more than 200k fans. Loads from North of England.

My son was standing outside Boots at Piccadilly when the windows got put in and the shop got looted, he said it was non-white guys with local accents wearing Rangers gear.

 

[Jelle1880]

Everyone was involved but themselves it seems.

 

[bob1873]

Liverpool fans are scum.

Yip they are disrespectful to the late Queen the King Lady Thatcher and our anthem. Dearie me you’d be forgiven for thinking I was referring to Scum FC but then the scousers are Englands scum fc. In my opinion obviously!

 

[No Pyro No Party]

Yes, in Liverpool, the SAS assassinated Jesus.

Judas was secretly a Tory and may have been related to Thatcher.

This is obviously a joke.

 

[Orange Peel]

In the video Trouble on the Terraces from the 90’s you can see a guy in an Arsenal shirt steaming in to the area not that far from where the Juve fans died. Can’t say for sure if there was fans of any other clubs there.

Incidentally we get mentioned a few times in that video “nobody ever wants to draw Glasgow Rangers, not even in a friendly.” Was one of the quotes I remember from it

Spurs fan said it if same video.

 

[clubdeckcharlie]

 

[spotlight]

In the video Trouble on the Terraces from the 90’s you can see a guy in an Arsenal shirt steaming in to the area not that far from where the Juve fans died. Can’t say for sure if there was fans of any other clubs there.

Incidentally we get mentioned a few times in that video “nobody ever wants to draw Glasgow Rangers, not even in a friendly.” Was one of the quotes I remember from it

Be a good clip to see that. They all seemed to dread Rangers back then.

 

[1872]

Spurs fan said it if same video.

You’re absolutely spot on. I can see the guy in my mind and hear the London accent in my head, and thought he was Spurs but didn’t say as wasn’t a 100%.

 

[Orange Peel]

You’re absolutely spot on. I can see the guy in my mind and hear the London accent in my head, and thought he was Spurs but didn’t say as wasn’t a 100%.

He said if you play Rangers you're up against an army or something like that.

 

[tazzabear]

It's really difficult for me because I like Liverpool as a team. Always have, but their fans are tossers and dossers.

My friends are surprised at the 360 I’ve done on this one.
However I can’t separate the club from the fans.
I’ve worked, loosely, with too many of them over the last dozen or so years and seen them turn into almost a mirror image of their Glasgow cousins.
Some even speak of their “brothers in arms” in Glasgow.

 

[Skyy Bluenose]

My friends are surprised at the 360 I’ve done on this one.
However I can’t separate the club from the fans.
I’ve worked, loosely, with too many of them over the last dozen or so years and seen them turn into almost a mirror image of their Glasgow cousins.
Some even speak of their “brothers in arms” in Glasgow.

So you're back to your original position?

 

[tazzabear]

So you're back to your original position?

Yes, sorry about that.

 

[huistrasleftpeg]

Liverpool and Celtic are one and the same when it comes to conspiracies, blame and victimisation.

Agreed.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the mhanks were jumping on this post from a lone nutcase and peddling it as some sort of fact.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

People believe anything, have you heard what is spouted from pulpits every week?

Like the SAS done in Jesus?

 

[Blues and Royals]

Liverpool FC themselves said that no Liverpool fans were involved in any hooliganism inside Heysel and that any trouble was down to National Front members from London who were nothing to do with Liverpool.
So I don’t think you can blame softlad for inventing similar wacko theories.

 

[DezzaS]

Absolute Bheast levels of 'always the victim, never our fault'