They should check the offside first though and if he’s onside then check the penalty. They even spent time doing the lines to show he was about 5 yards off!
Yeah probably as it would quicken things up.
They should check the offside first though and if he’s onside then check the penalty. They even spent time doing the lines to show he was about 5 yards off!
Correct, the cynical side of me is tims hate var so they are trying to bug fans to death to try and bin it.Without VAR we could've lost the game.
It’s not as simple as saying “oh without VAR we’d be worse off”. It’s a false assumption that without VAR in operation we would have got none of those decisions.
What’s actually happening is that VAR is changing ref’s behaviour. They now use it as a crutch (which it was never intended to be) and erring on the side of not making decisions because they know VAR will catch it.
But it’s got to ridiculous levels. Take the Lundstram “goal” yesterday. Dessers is 3 yards offside. How is a linesman not catching that? I get you would rather they not stop the play but I’m sitting there having seen it and knowing a full phase of play is worthless because it’s offside. It actually makes the officiating look worse.
And that’s before we get to handballs which is turned into farce from a combination of a bad rule and now slow motion VAR cameras. Fair enough it got the penalty right but that first review shouldn’t even be considered never mind take so long.
I think overall VAR is the right concept but I’m not going to shy away from pointing out the negatives of it that need improved/re-thought just because “statistically” we’ve benefitted.
I haven't looked at the data but is it the case for all teams in the league that over 80% of their penalties have been awarded by VAR?It’s not as simple as saying “oh without VAR we’d be worse off”. It’s a false assumption that without VAR in operation we would have got none of those decisions.
What’s actually happening is that VAR is changing ref’s behaviour. They now use it as a crutch (which it was never intended to be) and erring on the side of not making decisions because they know VAR will catch it.
But it’s got to ridiculous levels. Take the Lundstram “goal” yesterday. Dessers is 3 yards offside. How is a linesman not catching that? I get you would rather they not stop the play but I’m sitting there having seen it and knowing a full phase of play is worthless because it’s offside. It actually makes the officiating look worse.
And that’s before we get to handballs which is turned into farce from a combination of a bad rule and now slow motion VAR cameras. Fair enough it got the penalty right but that first review shouldn’t even be considered never mind take so long.
I think overall VAR is the right concept but I’m not going to shy away from pointing out the negatives of it that need improved/re-thought just because “statistically” we’ve benefitted.
Exactly this, too slow and appears to be a secret as to what's happening for those in the ground.It takes far too long, and there's little explanation for those in the stadium.
Getting it right is the most important thing, but it needs to improve both the speed and communication of decisions.
Here’s the question - with the introduction of semi-auto offsides what will a linesman actually have left to do?I'm sure the linesman did catch that one as the flag went up as soon as Lundstram scored. He was correct in not flagging until the move played out. It's a daft rule though, but I get why they don't want to stop play when they don't need to.
It's not the fault of VAR it's the time it takes. Without it yesterday there would have been a good chance that we wouldn't have won.I was in favour of this coming in but I’m slowly coming to the end of my tether with it.
That first half yesterday was an absolute farce. Never seen a game as stop start as that. Sat there with no clue what’s going on half the time.
Turning into a game of American football.
Spot on for me.It’s not as simple as saying “oh without VAR we’d be worse off”. It’s a false assumption that without VAR in operation we would have got none of those decisions.
What’s actually happening is that VAR is changing ref’s behaviour. They now use it as a crutch (which it was never intended to be) and erring on the side of not making decisions because they know VAR will catch it.
But it’s got to ridiculous levels. Take the Lundstram “goal” yesterday. Dessers is 3 yards offside. How is a linesman not catching that? I get you would rather they not stop the play but I’m sitting there having seen it and knowing a full phase of play is worthless because it’s offside. It actually makes the officiating look worse.
And that’s before we get to handballs which is turned into farce from a combination of a bad rule and now slow motion VAR cameras. Fair enough it got the penalty right but that first review shouldn’t even be considered never mind take so long.
I think overall VAR is the right concept but I’m not going to shy away from pointing out the negatives of it that need improved/re-thought just because “statistically” we’ve benefitted.
You are right, apart from the fact the refs missed them.It’s not as simple as saying “oh without VAR we’d be worse off”. It’s a false assumption that without VAR in operation we would have got none of those decisions.
That does confirm the fact that VAR has been positive for Rangers.McFadden said yesterday that panel don't check every incident that's went to VAR they just take certain decisions then give their opinion on it. Certainly with the ones that have been checked we've been done the most out of it and as the penalty stats show we have had 14 of our 17 have been awarded via a VAR review its why the tims want rid of it.
I'm sure the linesman did catch that one as the flag went up as soon as Lundstram scored. He was correct in not flagging until the move played out. It's a daft rule though, but I get why they don't want to stop play when they don't need to.
Nonsense. Dessers scuffs one into the net next week I'm celebrating whether its borderline offside or not. Just as I always have pre-VAR.I can't see how we can continue to use it in football. Half the fans don't celebrate their team's goal for fear the decision will be overturned.
Does that not indicate that where Rangers are involved in a penalty incident that when referees look at these incidents they are reluctant to give a penalty to Rangers.Most of Celtics penalties have came from the ref awarding them and nothing to do with VAR.
Most of our penalties have been missed by the ref and we have needed VAR to spot it despite a number of them being completely blatant.
We may have had decisions go against us but without VAR we are miles behind in the league.
They’re not missing them. They’re not risking making a decision until VAR has angles for them to look at.You are right, apart from the fact the refs missed them.
"We win some, we lose some." Exactly the way it was pre-VAR, Stanley.In principle, I agree with the Op that VAR disrupts the game. Secondly, I find myself no longer jumping up at a goal, but waiting to see if the goal stands after VAR. That is the big downside. However, overall, we seem to have benefited from VAR in terms of goals/penalties and points collected, apart from the games against the mentally challengeds, when in fact it has gone against us in all 3 games so far. In theory, we have lost possibly 4 points as a result of VAR against the mentally challengeds. We win some, we lose some.
But they don't - that's the pointIf the officials done their job right to start with then Var wouldn't be needed.
Should have been longer than 8 mins added on. I’d need to back and watch the game again but the ridiculous time it took for the penalty claim in the first minute took nearly three minutes and you only had to see it once to see it was never a penalty in a million years.I was in favour of this coming in but I’m slowly coming to the end of my tether with it.
That first half yesterday was an absolute farce. Never seen a game as stop start as that. Sat there with no clue what’s going on half the time.
Turning into a game of American football.