Bobans27
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But but but....
for us to the win the league we had to improve but Celtic had to regress. We’ve improved on last season, sadly Lennon has Celtic winning almost every week on double our budget...
We fail to win a third of our league games under Gerrard
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for us to the win the league we had to improve but Celtic had to regress. We’ve improved on last season, sadly Lennon has Celtic winning almost every week on double our budget...
bluetonic
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Doesn't make for good reading
The board will feel pressure regardless of who is in the dugout and they will continually do so until that lot start to falter.
It's unrealistic to think we can stop them whilst they continue to go on relentless. We need to improve yes but they also need to weaken.
spirit_of_93
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What we’re taking here is replacing a manager who is improving the team year on year in the hope we get a miracle worker.
It can work out, it can also very easily lead to a slide backwards. We should all be able to remember just how shite things were 3 seasons ago. Gerrard stays while there’s a clear improvement each season. If it becomes clear he can take us no further forward that’s the time to act.
DazRFC94
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This deserves an infinite ban.
This 100%. It might not be as quick as we want, but we are improving. If you sack a manager who is improving you then you end up going backwards.
As, among other things, a statistician I would caution everyone to treat single statistics with extreme caution. There’s a theme running through this thread that a 66% win ratio is shocking. This is simply not true based on previous statistics.
Firstly it’s actually 74% thus far this season, it was 64% last season, so a 10% improvement thus far.
Secondly the last ten times we have won the league the average win percentage had been 70.7%. So thus far this season we’re about 3% better than the average win percentage over our last ten championship winning seasons. Among those ten win percentages have swung from 82% at the top end down to 56% (twice). 74% would have won the league in have of those ten seasons we won.
In fact the problem, not withstanding the nonsense since the winter break, is not our results thus far this season it’s the scum’s and there is nothing Steven Gerrard , or my other Rangers Manager, can do about that except beat them which he has achieved in half the league games he has played them.
I fear we are in danger of judging our performance on them rather than us.
Firstly it’s actually 74% thus far this season, it was 64% last season, so a 10% improvement thus far.
Secondly the last ten times we have won the league the average win percentage had been 70.7%. So thus far this season we’re about 3% better than the average win percentage over our last ten championship winning seasons. Among those ten win percentages have swung from 82% at the top end down to 56% (twice). 74% would have won the league in have of those ten seasons we won.
In fact the problem, not withstanding the nonsense since the winter break, is not our results thus far this season it’s the scum’s and there is nothing Steven Gerrard , or my other Rangers Manager, can do about that except beat them which he has achieved in half the league games he has played them.
I fear we are in danger of judging our performance on them rather than us.
Saltcoatsblu
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Our European run hide such facts
thetoptier
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hearts 2-1
aberdeen 0-0
kilmarnock 2-1
st johnstone 2-2
nah its definitely us we're judging it on
and if anyone is saying we need more money spent to beat that list of shite you've lost it
DazRFC94
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“Gerrard is a shite manager” - fundamentally wrong and I don’t think I need to explain why this statement is bollocks.
What has Steve Clarke achieved exactly? Trophies won? He made Kilmarnock solid and hard to beat, that’s it. Certainly not someone who would have excelled at our club.
Your post is an embarrassment.
Trophies won is the same amount of trophies won as Gerrard. Gerrard has spent probably £15m more than him. Maybe Clarke wouldn’t have excelled at our club but he’s achieved much more than Gerrard has in the SPL.
Gerrard has stuck with the same formation and tactics all year. His consistent approach to playing an out of form Kent has cost us massively. He is a reactive manager and not a proactive manager which has cost us points.
You’re a bad manager in my eyes if you don’t try to change anything for 6 straight games and expect different results
I didn’t say anything about needing more money spent. I have only pointed out that taking a single statistic should be treated with caution. Similarly picking four poor results since the winter break proves nothing other than our form in that period has been poor, but we know that.
As an aside and attempting to show what taking a single statistic can give, Ally McCoist is the Rangers Manager with the highest win percentage, 72%, so on the basis of this thread he must be the most successful manager we have ever had.
Hopefully this proves my point.
thetoptier
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no it proves nothing as it was done in lower leagues against absolute shite
we've won less than half of our games against kilmarnock hearts and aberdeen
that is a chronic state of affairs and not an anomaly or statistical hiccup but shite performances again and again and again against inferior opposition
HoboUK
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I knew it was bad but didn’t realise how bad
Concerning . However despite my misgivings after today , I can’t see a better manager we could get so I say keep backing the manager
Yep a manager with only an U18's team previously on his CV and not a single trophy to his name is absolutely the best manager the Famous Glasgow Rangers could attract.
HenningBerg
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Name me a couple we could get then better than Gerrard . I think you’ll struggle .
Would take Giovanni van Bronckhorst over him every day of the week.
Di Matteo maybe.
HenningBerg
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Ok fair enough
it's not near stick or twist time, Gerrards downfall is his inexperience and he seems to stick how he wants the game to be played and his choice of players hence why he tends to keep the same 9/10 players if all fit .........here's hoping he learns and quick
A 3rd place finish?
Carson’s chosen few
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And yet many on here thought Lennon was brilliant going to them last summer
I’m not being funny but I’ve been waiting on him “learning his lesson” for 6 weeks now.
Don’t know if it’s stubbornness or just tactically inept. Is the reason he doesn’t drop kent is he costs £7m?
It’s tome to twist If he doesn’t win the Scottish cup. We can’t afford to be his “learning project”. By the time the penny drops and he starts playing 2 up from against bottom 6 teams, rather than 2 CDMs , Celtic will be at 14 in a row
Kilmarnock have a better budget than half the teams in the league and shouldn't have been bottom.
If it's just about finances then we are where we should be. Ahead of the rest of the pack but significantly behind them. They spent more than 15 million on Julien and Edouard alone.
Midfield General
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His win ratio is very similar to Walter Smiths
The Gospel Bear
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This...
bilkobear
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Absolute nonsense.
Steve Clarke was a decent diddy team manager, but he never took on the demands of a club like Rangers, where the supporters don't just want to win matches, they want to see top quality players and to win matches with style.
They also expect to do well in Europe at the same time.
Where is there anything like a proper comparison to Gerrard in any of that?
Gerrard's achievements in Europe are stunning in comparison to anything Clarke has ever done.
No cvunt outside of Scotland gives a shyte that Kilmarnock can get ten men behind a ball on a crappy plastic pitch and bore the fckn pants of anyone who can be bothered to turn up!
Oh ...apart from you that is!
One million people all over Europe, however, have tuned into watch Rangers make an amazingly exciting and attacking comeback against one of the form teams on the continent!!!
Steve fckn Clarke ...ffsake!!!!
bilkobear
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Yeah, Walter Smith never lost so many points due to getting not a single decision from corrupt refereeing!
Nor did he face a wall of total spite and hate all over Scotland.
Danger Zone
Just the tip...
It’s worse when you consider a portion of the wins were wracked up in dead rubber games where the league was gone.
It's not good enough and its embarrassing!
The Meik's Crombie
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In your humble opinion.
TynesideTrueBlue
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I think Gerrard will know when the time comes that when he has failed and will quit himself no one will need to tell him.
As much as he is to blame for certain aspects the players need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror as they are not giving their all for the cause and if they are then they need to GTF Rangers is not the Club for you.
As much as he is to blame for certain aspects the players need to take a hard look at themselves in the mirror as they are not giving their all for the cause and if they are then they need to GTF Rangers is not the Club for you.
Hypothetically if we were to win remaining 11 league games we finish on 97 points out of 114 possible. Unless Celtic drop points in at least 2, or lose one and we make up a lot of goal difference we finish second. While it is disappointing how we have played since break, could still finish on points total that would we league way more often than not. Then once you take into account couple decisions against us and couple for them and gap should be much closer. Gerrard has his issues as manager but couple decisions going our way and everything looks so much better
Casper Kent
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Rightly so, however there were also some cropped earlier after the game doing the same. Gerrard gets a fairly easy time of it on here considering he’s very likely to oversee two more Celtic trebles in his two years in charge.
They won the league last year with 87 points.
