To have a player trading model you need to have people of worth, a PTM doesn’t mean you hold onto every player unless you double your money, it means you are willing to sell your most valuable assets at the right price and reinvest. If he’s not good enough then he willl never command £6m, he’s not good enough. Cut losses, I’d take £3-£3.5m.Unless we get north of 6m then id keep him. But, if we get that type of fee then id sell. We need to adopt the player trading model where possible
Does vital goals in Europe, scores winning and equalising goals in domestic games and scores the only goals in a domestic cup semi final…I’d say they are big goals.Scores, but not the big goals. Quantity over quality for me. Keep as a part of the squad along with Danilo, but we need a new main man.
But you are spot on! It's an entitlement mind set that often drags out the comment not good enough for us but he is, never hides he is good at holding up and laying off, has some good skill and he is scoring goals!I find it strange that a common opinion of Ally himself was that he'd miss many sitters but he inevitably popped up with a goal.
It would appear Dessers will never be afforded this leeway from our support.
I'm in no way comparing him to Ally ability wise, but he deserves more backing imo.
We've certainly had far, far worse.
Settling in won’t improve his first touch, speed, aggression or instil that killer shoot on sight instinct.Old cliche but some foreign players take half/full season to get acclimatised, there is a good chance he is better next season, worth keeping around imo.
Like when you're 2-0 down and trying to get back into the game at the piggery?Scores, but not the big goals. Quantity over quality for me. Keep as a part of the squad along with Danilo, but we need a new main man.
He is terrible at hold up play and laying off, as for skill, don’t think I’ve ever seen him do a trick to get buy a player? Doesn’t shoot on sight, misses easy chances, the list goes on, yes he has qualities you can appreciate but I’d say the clamour to keep, rather than entitlement, shows how conditioned our support has become to accept mediocrity when it comes to recruitmentBut you are spot on! It's an entitlement mind set that often drags out the comment not good enough for us but he is, never hides he is good at holding up and laying off, has some good skill and he is scoring goals!
Thought it odd someone says he doesn't score big goals? %^*& knows what they mean by that?
What about when he sent 2 Betis defenders to the stands for a hot dog and nutmegged the keeper?He is terrible at hold up play and laying off, as for skill, don’t think I’ve ever seen him do a trick to get buy a player?
We accept what we can afford perhaps if you have deep pockets maybe you can get these quality players that we all want in! He is good at holding up and laying off when the support is there!He is terrible at hold up play and laying off, as for skill, don’t think I’ve ever seen him do a trick to get buy a player? Doesn’t shoot on sight, misses easy chances, the list goes on, yes he has qualities you can appreciate but I’d say the clamour to keep, rather than entitlement, shows how conditioned our support has become to accept mediocrity when it comes to recruitment
He wouldn't win POTY even if he hit 30 goals without penalties given even some of our own fans are desperate to slaughter him at every opportunity. The whole narrative around him is miles away from the reality of what he has contributed this season IMO.If Dessers was our designated penalty taker instead of Tav he would probably be on nearly 30 goals for the season. He would be well ahead of Shankland in the top scorer table.
He probably would have won player of the season etc.
Danilo scored 4 goals in 12 games in the league before he got injured. This isn't stunning but isn't dreadful either. It is also around the same ration that Kyogo has managed for Celtic this season (13 in 36 games for him). He was also playing for the most part under Beale and lets not forget that Desser's goal scoring record improved significantly after Beale got the bullet. In short maybe give him a chance to show what he is capable of under a decent manager.Agreed, Danilo had a terrible period before the injury which people seem to have forgotten.
I'm actually much more worried about him than Dessers. Worst case with Dessers, we'll get a decent fee. If Danilo comes back less effective after a serious injury, that could be a big issue. Hopefully he recovers fully and kicks on but let's not pretend he was brilliant pr
Obviously you've totally blanked out the 9 games prior to the Hearts semi final when he managed 1 goal in 9 games as our season crumbled.If he had come in the January window and did what he’s done January until now he’d be amongst our greatest ever signings. Unfortunately his August to December spell DID happen with us so we do know what he can be capable of from both the positives and the negatives. For what it’s worth I think he’s a better player than Colak but not as good a striker, I think he’s a better mentality to Alfie but isn’t nearly as skilful a player. The fact he’s had 22 goals, and some moments of brilliance means we absolutely should not be making a loss on him. Would I start him as first choice number 9? I certainly have about another 8 positions I’d rather change than he so yeah he stays.
No I’ve sadly not, nor his shocking misses against Motherwell. But if he just been in the door and settling then it could be excusable. The problem is he looks like a player still trying to settle in despite the fact he’s been here almost a year. My hope is he is slow at getting up to speed them goes on to be a sensation as his recent goal scoring shows. But I worry with the rest of the team who will provide the chances? Before tonight it’s been hoof the ball up the park from our back line.Obviously you've totally blanked out the 9 games prior to the Hearts semi final when he managed 1 goal in 9 games as our season crumbled.
I don't blame you, it was torture.
He gets plenty of chances, if he was a decent finisher he'd be on about 35 goals.No I’ve sadly not, nor his shocking misses against Motherwell. But if he just been in the door and settling then it could be excusable. The problem is he looks like a player still trying to settle in despite the fact he’s been here almost a year. My hope is he is slow at getting up to speed them goes on to be a sensation as his recent goal scoring shows. But I worry with the rest of the team who will provide the chances? Before tonight it’s been hoof the ball up the park from our back line.
If someone gets us 6 million for Dessers than they should be awarded salesman of the yearTo have a player trading model you need to have people of worth, a PTM doesn’t mean you hold onto every player unless you double your money, it means you are willing to sell your most valuable assets at the right price and reinvest. If he’s not good enough then he willl never command £6m, he’s not good enough. Cut losses, I’d take £3-£3.5m.
I see Dessers now has the best goals per minute record in the league! It's easy to see his failings but at what point do we look at the numbers and admit he isn't the total flop some paint him as?
This ^^^I think a bigger problem this season has been our no 10 (Cantwell or Lawrence) not scoring ~15 goals and 10+ assists. As has been said by others, Sima aside, we don’t get enough from elsewhere on the pitch. Perhaps why the spotlight is on Dessers despite his goal tally.
See the chances he misses, most of them are because he gets himself into excellent positions. Not every striker we sign will. He's got excellent movement. The point I'm Making is people think if we get a better finisher than Dessers that we create so many chances that they'll get 40 odd goals. That's not necessarily true. 22 is really good and it's not that easy to just go and find another one who'll get himself into all those positions all the time. Not to mention all the hard work, all the running his team work and the fact that he actually cares. I'd absolutely keep him. He might also get even better in a better side and now that he's had time to settle.I see Dessers now has the best goals per minute record in the league! It's easy to see his failings but at what point do we look at the numbers and admit he isn't the total flop some paint him as?
What does the future hold for him? Should we keep him? Get rid at all costs?
My feeling is he would actually be a good squad player, but not sure we can afford that scenario. The amount of goals he has now scored means we may actually get a pretty good bid for him, and the money might be better invested elsewhere. But I do have an admiration for the guy - after all the flak he just keeps coming back and scoring goals. Hope he signs off with a big goal in the final