When is 12 mm of rain not 12 mm of rain

The point is that they should have been calling the game off on the Saturday. My guess is they were hoping against the odds that the park would be ok so that they get the Sky fee. They probably didn't have much hope on Saturday but took a punt and didn't do the right thing by Rangers and the travelling fans
 
Only 3.1mm of rain fell- the rest was for the amount of pish that comes out their mouths
 
Derta said:
Not saying thats true but maybe them having 7 players out and Rangers tickets already paid for made it a little more comfortable for them.
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I gave no thought to their injury situation.
I did think of the financial costs though.
I don’t think there will be any benefit there.
 
Although I would have preferred the game to be played on Sunday

The international break and this game now muted to being played before scum game - gives us a window of opportunity to give minutes on the park and up fitness levels to those returning from injury- possibly Sima, Cantwell Sterling and McAusland before facing them
 
I travelled up the night before as my brother lives in Broughty Ferry.
It was bloody teeming down all night.
The pitch is just a shambles and couldn't cope with that amount.
Nothing sinister as OP is suggesting
 
Mad John said:
Its barely started.

This place is mental.

OP starts it off with Columbo of the meteorological world with an investigation into a bit of heavy rain on a shite fitba' park in Scotland.

One guy tells him he's wrong and he comes back swinging.

Another says the OP needs his hole.

Big Jock shows up demanding that golf courses have Stevenson weather gauges

Another John Fish shows up with data from Sepa gauges (me either)

And we're barely 20 posts into the thread


When's our next game ?
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The Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (SEPA) have rain gauges throughout the country which give you hourly, daily & monthly rainfall readings of the amount of rainfall in a particular area.

Scottish Rainfall Data - provided by Scottish Environment Protection Agency (SEPA)

Rainfall data for Scotland.
www2.sepa.org.uk
 
gmoothgers said:
That's all speculation, what isn't though is the pitch was a mess. How can a club across the road maintain a pitch in the same weather conditions but Dundee can't.
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By investing in up to date drainage and a decent pitch like the majority of clubs, Nelms is living in a fantasy world, where a brand new stadium is being built , and a fortune being made on selling the present land, in the meantime their inadequate stadium and pitch remain, probably for years to come.
 
the_littlest_hobo said:
Just had a look at the 2 Sepa gauges in the Dundee area for the week leading up to the game, with Dundee knowing how shit the drainage is.

Times are from 9am the day given and 9am the day after

Baluniefield
14th 14.4mm
15th 1.4mm
16th 8.6mm
17th 0.4mm

Mylnefield
14th 16.2mm
15th 2.2mm
16th 9.4mm
17th 0.2mm

The pitch was never going to recover from the Thursday let alone the Saturday night rain

Rough guesstimate is approx 150000l of water fell on that pitch from Thursday.

Even 6mm is nearly 40000l
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Thanks for the info - this goes to show the game should have been called off on the Saturday night, or at worst get a warning message to our club. There was not a chance that pitch was going to host a game on Sunday.
 
Seeing it's the international break. I'm going to say.. Why didn't they go to their sponsors? If they deal in foam, the just had to put some down to sook up the water :p
 
If the ground staff didn’t have at least one simple and cheap rain gauge installed, then they are not doing their job.
 
AchtungBaby said:
Ffs, the pitch was shite, surely that's enough. Looking for conspiracies or deep analysis on rainfall seems like something you'd expect from Celtic fans.
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With the context of Nelm's previous behavior and actions, you cannot just let him run his mouth about '12 mm of rainfall when 6 mm was expected' - if as the evidence is clear, the game should have been called off on the Saturday night, they should have called it off. Having our team turn up and hang around on Sunday morning at his wee tinpot club was his attempt to embarrass us. But sure pal, I'm a sellick fan.
 
ForGodForCountryForever said:
If it’s going to rain, would a cover over the pitch to allow run-off avoid any amount to be kept from causing the problems of Sunday?
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If the water table is very high, ie surface high, then unlikely covering it would make a difference. Like standing in a swimming pool in the rain with an umbrella up.
It’s clearly a long term drainage problem, probably requiring a lot of work to sort out.
But hey ho, Nelms thinks a few guys with forks.
 
tazzabear said:
What benefit would it be to Dundee for the game to have been called off?
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In their wee alliance with Sellick they know it's more trouble for us to have games stacked up, but ok and I appreciate the game's had to be called off - it's more a point on communication, if there was no way a game could be getting played there and they knew this Saturday night then we should have got a warning at the very least.
 
gmoothgers said:
That's all speculation, what isn't though is the pitch was a mess. How can a club across the road maintain a pitch in the same weather conditions but Dundee can't.
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Nelms could be correct here.

Found a weather map forecast of Dundee for Friday 15th March.

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Ok thanks for all the decent replies on this, I'm not going to bother anymore on the supporters who just want to have a go at a fellow supporter who is making the point over the conduct of Nelm's and his wee tin pot club.

Nelms specifically referenced they got 100% more rainfall than was expected but it would not have mattered a jot for this game to be on/off - so I'm attempting to highlight the lies and deception against our club (but of course some of our fanbase would rather take me to task or look to slag me off).

Anyone who just takes two/three words from what I write and then make a post about it or decides I 'need to get a life' or 'get my hole'- it's really poor to a fellow supporter, whether me or anyone else.
Maybe I went down the rabbit hole far too much on it late last night, in fact I know I did! But I'm fed up with people just accepting what gets said with no factual evidence.

They set out to embarrass us on Sunday and the links between Nelms, Celtic and Dundee are all well documented and in plain sight, Spam Emails, loans to Dundee for players just put on new contracts (Griffiths), loans on technical staff (Strachan) unheard of anywhere else in world football, attempts at a 'glamour friendly'.

There was no reason for them not to tell us on Saturday that the game was off or in major doubt. It didn't matter how much rainfall there was going to be or there was. I think the poster who said they just wanted a terrible pitch and didn't look after it post Aberdeen is probably bang on.
 
blueaway said:
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

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When they put sprinklers on at 5.30am lol
 
Legionnaire said:
There was video doing the rounds of the Dundee ground staff hosing the pitch down at 0500am and that Nelms laughing as he helped chuck buckets of water onto sodden brown patches.
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5am in the pitch dark watering a pitch in the rain? And somebody was filming it.
 
blueaway said:
Ok thanks for all the decent replies on this, I'm not going to bother anymore on the supporters who just want to have a go at a fellow supporter who is making the point over the conduct of Nelm's and his wee tin pot club.

Nelms specifically referenced they got 100% more rainfall than was expected but it would not have mattered a jot for this game to be on/off - so I'm attempting to highlight the lies and deception against our club (but of course some of our fanbase would rather take me to task or look to slag me off).

Anyone who just takes two/three words from what I write and then make a post about it or decides I 'need to get a life' or 'get my hole'- it's really poor to a fellow supporter, whether me or anyone else.
Maybe I went down the rabbit hole far too much on it late last night, in fact I know I did! But I'm fed up with people just accepting what gets said with no factual evidence.

They set out to embarrass us on Sunday and the links between Nelms, Celtic and Dundee are all well documented and in plain sight, Spam Emails, loans to Dundee for players just put on new contracts (Griffiths), loans on technical staff (Strachan) unheard of anywhere else in world football, attempts at a 'glamour friendly'.

There was no reason for them not to tell us on Saturday that the game was off or in major doubt. It didn't matter how much rainfall there was going to be or there was. I think the poster who said they just wanted a terrible pitch and didn't look after it post Aberdeen is probably bang on.
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The info in post #19 suggests there was likely between 8.5mm and 9.5mm of rain in Dundee in the period 0900hrs Saturday to 0900hrs on Sunday. Whether that was mostly on Saturday night I have no idea. However, we had a poster on here @Barkingmad tell us on Saturday night at 2219hrs that the game would be in doubt due to torrential rain in Dundee.

Nelms may well have exaggerated but there's no doubts there was torrential rain. They were fully aware on Saturday night that the game was in doubt (hence getting the groundstaff in at 0500hrs). At the very least, the SFA, SPFL and Rangers should have been alerted and an earlier inspection called.
 
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Dundee want as many games as possiable to be called off so they can get funding from the local council and build a new staduim .its all part of there plan and sunday was a classic example
 
Mad John said:
Its barely started.

This place is mental.

OP starts it off with Columbo of the meteorological world with an investigation into a bit of heavy rain on a shite fitba' park in Scotland.

One guy tells him he's wrong and he comes back swinging.

Another says the OP needs his hole.

Big Jock shows up demanding that golf courses have Stevenson weather gauges

Another John Fish shows up with data from Sepa gauges (me either)

And we're barely 20 posts into the thread


When's our next game ?
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But Big Jock would have known.....
 
This forum resembles a mad house at times.
the pitch was unplayable,fact. Even the boss said so and correct decision to postpone it .
I for one was more than content with the outcome tbh considering our efforts on Thursday night and then playing at midday on Sunday on what would have been a ploughed field.
Banana skin in the making.
Only problem was the late call off for those on route and the general standard of Scottish surfaces which is what the boss was getting at.
Extra midweek game.....aye so what. We'd have been over the moon if it had been another round of EL football.
And we complain about the nutjobs in the east.
Chill out bears.Crap happens and it rains in Scotland
 
blueaway said:
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

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Dundee, Dundee City, United Kingdom - Hourly past weather, almanac for Dundee including historical temperature, wind, rain, pressure and humidity stats | WorldWeatherOnline.com
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Mate to be fair to them it was raining heavily from about 9pm Saturday night right through the night and I live 2 mins from the ground.
 
blueaway said:
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Dundee, Dundee City, GB Historical Weather Almanac

Dundee, Dundee City, United Kingdom - Hourly past weather, almanac for Dundee including historical temperature, wind, rain, pressure and humidity stats | WorldWeatherOnline.com
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blueaway said:
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Dundee, Dundee City, GB Historical Weather Almanac

Dundee, Dundee City, United Kingdom - Hourly past weather, almanac for Dundee including historical temperature, wind, rain, pressure and humidity stats | WorldWeatherOnline.com
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Media reports claimed Dundee asked the SPFL to reshedule ko for 3pm but request was turned down ( no info on who turnrd it down and why and no confirmation that the request was made). Next media speculation was that Sky knocked back the 3pm but media reported that Sky raised no objection. No confir
Mation that Sky was actually consulted. Not a cheep from the usual garrulous Doncaster about the situation. Oh well it rained, we can't control the weather. At least Don Robertson was clear, his job was to decide if the pitch was playable at the time and replied to questions about whether it might be playable at 3pm that it was not his job and not uhp to him.
 
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