Why are we the way we are?

Gringotts Dragon said:
I’m glad we have a museum but the timing was wrong and the facility is not fit for the purpose it was built for. With the benefit of hindsight, we should’ve never have been spending that amount of money on that building until we were firmly back winning leagues regularly

Winning the league would generate far more income than NEH will over multiple years. That £13m+ could’ve bought multiple players to get us over the line. Board incompetence and vanity in my opinion
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You can’t spend investor loans on the playing squad. You can only spend money that the club generates, which is why we need to invest in things like Edmiston house, the museum and the sports bar. Those then generate income that can be spent on the squad. It’s not £13 million that could have otherwise been spent on players
 
It isn't popular to say but we from boardroom to manager and players now a very comfortable club in finishing second year in year out. There is literally zero pressure playing at Rangers anymore because of the way contracts have been handed out meaning even if people fail they know they are guaranteed millions even if not winning the league.

Sadly its now also among a good portion of the fanbase who every year are happy blaming referees, lack of finances and thinking that us going on decent run for a few months a year is a sign the club is moving in the right direction. Since Gerrard left we have being going backwards at an alarming pace, we are not a well managed club.
 
SFraser3 said:
Let’s be honest for a second, it’s been extremely difficult to be a Rangers fan the past 15 years. Even the last few title wins under Walter we knew dark days were ahead, although no one could imagine how dark they’ve been. With the exception of 55 and getting to the Europa League final it’s been bleak. Even at that 55 was won with no fans and we lost the final.

My question is why is it we keep getting dragged back into these awful situations? We’ve been back in the top flight for some time. Since then we’ve been in a constant loop of building for something that’s returned next to nothing domestically. We spend a fortune for no success, sell some players, lose some players for free then spend a fortune again. How long can this continue for before the club cannot afford to buy new players?

Although the fans are loyal and we keep putting our hands in our pockets for season tickets, merchandise and hospitality I feel people are at their wits end with the team. Another year for any of Tav, Goldson, Roofe or a contract for Lundstram or Jack will send many over the edge.

How do we break this horrendous cycle?
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People in our boardroom although well intended have made poor decisions in the appointment of managers and subsequently in the recruitment of players,

A failure to invest in the squad when we won 55 and as a result our manager left and our enemies were allowed to rebuild while winning again,
And before anyone says "we didn't have any money to invest in the squad"
I am aware of that as I get the accounts as well,
However it was very short sighted and has and will continue to cost us 100 times over for our lack of foresight,

A squad that should have been changed 2 seasons ago and as a failure to do so those players are now at the end of their Rangers careers due to the accumulation of injuries,

A failure to take on our enemies in local and national government who don't hold our noisy neighbours to account for their well documented historical past,

Our failure to take on the football authority in this country who makes decisions that favour one club and are predominated by those that hate us,

That about sums it up for me,
But that isn't even the worst of it , no that's the fact that we will all have to continue to watch players who can't beat Celtic and win the league
 
CooperBlu11 said:
2012 is no longer an excuse. We've come away from that period a few years back.

Biggest issue is poor recruitment and hanging onto players who should have been moved on a year or two ago.
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Last five years has seen us make mistake after mistake in transfer windows. That’s culpable on this board and the previous chair who gave Beale carte Blanche in the transfer market.
 
Comes from the top down. The board aren't ruthless and there's no accountability for repeated failure.

Signing bang average players with no potential on big, daft wages or re-signng failures on big and longer contracts.

Tav, Goldson, Barisic, Lundstram etc wouldn't have survived anywhere near the same length of time had they been at the scum. It just wouldn't have happened.

The collective attitude from the board down seems to be 'ack, it'll be fine", while the scum hoover up title after f**King title.

It comes from the tippy top. We're fast becoming the Dortmund/Everton of Scotland, if we aren't already.
 
Might not be popular here but I also think a part of the issue is how some fans think we're being held down on all sides, a form of victim complex.

'Celtic's titles have an asterisk because of 2012', stuff like that. When in reality nobody else cares about that. 100 years from now all people will see is that they won those titles. If the roles were reversed would we not count them ?

Compare it to Italy. When Juve were in the second division and Inter won the league, does anyone not see it as a legitimate title ? Hiding behind 2012 doesn't benefit us at all, it's over a decade ago. Our issues are pretty much self-inflicted since then and it's time we moved on from it.
 
Jelle1880 said:
Might not be popular here but I also think a part of the issue is how some fans think we're being held down on all sides, a form of victim complex.

'Celtic's titles have an asterisk because of 2012', stuff like that. When in reality nobody else cares about that. 100 years from now all people will see is that they won those titles. If the roles were reversed would we not count them ?

Compare it to Italy. When Juve were in the second division and Inter won the league, does anyone not see it as a legitimate title ? Hiding behind 2012 doesn't benefit us at all, it's over a decade ago. Our issues are pretty much self-inflicted since then and it's time we moved on from it.
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To be fair I think the majority have moved on from 2012. Spoken about far less often now.
 
Been saying for years the extra 10k seats they have is an extra 6-8 million per year that’s a gap we need to close as more often than not the team with the biggest budget win the championship
 
WarnbroTavernier said:
James Tavernier for a start
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In the last few years in pursuit of success we have changed out:

2 managers

2 DOF

First choice goal keeper

First choice striker

Star playmaker

Star defender

Star midfielder

Head of Youth Developmemt

Chairman

CEO

Managing Director

Half a dozen board members.



But yet we can’t seem to contemplate changing out our captain who consistently underperforms in the 2 key objectives he should have - defending and captaining the team to success! Now maybe it won’t make a difference changing him out. Maybe we are destined for a Man Utd existence of failure after failure that only Ferguson (and in our case Walter’s) brilliance could change. But hear me out for a minute. What if the new right back (Sterling?) can actually defend and keep a clean sheet? What if the confidence he brings to the back line keeps clean sheets and doesn’t throw away goals against that mob? What if the penalties Tav takes instead go to our number 9, and the confidence they give him leads to us having a 30 goal a season striker? What if the change up in set pieces makes us less predictable and leads to more goals scored? What if the reliance on Tavs goals instead leads to others in the team stepping up and the goals distributed across the entire team? What if the new captain - not carrying the baggage of so many old firm defeats and near misses - instills a new winners mentality throughout the whole team? Like I say, it may not work but if it doesn’t then we replace the new right back without fear or prejudice and make sure the first 11 is made up of the best players playing the best form. Surely to god it’s worth trying because continuing to change everyone else while not at least trying to change Tav is not sustainable?
 
EKblue said:
Been saying for years the extra 10k seats they have is an extra 6-8 million per year that’s a gap we need to close as more often than not the team with the biggest budget win the championship
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Yep, year on year they get that extra cash.
 
Jelle1880 said:
Might not be popular here but I also think a part of the issue is how some fans think we're being held down on all sides, a form of victim complex.

'Celtic's titles have an asterisk because of 2012', stuff like that. When in reality nobody else cares about that. 100 years from now all people will see is that they won those titles. If the roles were reversed would we not count them ?

Compare it to Italy. When Juve were in the second division and Inter won the league, does anyone not see it as a legitimate title ? Hiding behind 2012 doesn't benefit us at all, it's over a decade ago. Our issues are pretty much self-inflicted since then and it's time we moved on from it.
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I’d disagree with that.

The support has simply underestimated the task involved in repairing the damage inflicted in 2012. Celtic have had access to £100millions extra money.

Not only does the club face the problem of rebuilding on the park, but the football authorities are effectively controlled by Celtic. The biased refereeing within Scotland and the selective decision-making of the Compliance Officer are simply symptoms of a larger problem.

The mainstream media and nearly all politicians are effectively enemies.

What was and is needed is a strong figure in the boardroom who will recognise these issues and act accordingly.
 
deedle said:
I’d disagree with that.

The support has simply underestimated the task involved in repairing the damage inflicted in 2012. Celtic have had access to £100millions extra money.

Not only does the club face the problem of rebuilding on the park, but the football authorities are effectively controlled by Celtic. The biased refereeing within Scotland and the selective decision-making of the Compliance Officer are simply symptoms of a larger problem.

The mainstream media and nearly all politicians are effectively enemies.

What was and is needed is a strong figure in the boardroom who will recognise these issues and act accordingly.
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It sounds simple but the one thing that cuts through all that, and the one thing that puts all of them back in their box is to beat them to the League Title in what is an annual two horse race.
Gerrard did it, with a good mix of management team behind him.
Really hope Clement has the guts to do what needs done and is backed to do it. The Board know the fans are there and we will spend our money backing them. We can raise enough cash but spending it wisely is going to be key.
 
Money talks, if we'd have put all our budget in January into buying a shankland say because hearts would have been easier to deal with than the sheep, say 5 million tops however you carve it up say 2 mill + 3 to pay I'm convinced we'd now be looking at a title and a kitty of 40 million CL money that is now on the board.
 
WillowBear said:
Definitely think this is part of the problem. Need professional drive from top to bottom throughout the club.

The idea we can have highly paid professionals turning up overweight like last season is just unacceptable.

Any lack of drive, ill discipline, negative attitude and lack of professionalism needs routed out of the club from top to bottom. Being ruthless will be the only way back to the top.
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All correct! We need to find a ruthless CEO from somewhere.
 
Boardroom division and weakness, poor selection of managers, huge amount of money wasted on players who will never be part of a winning Rangers team, failure to sell, and re-invest, assets when we could-Morelos & Kent. So many self-inflicted mistakes and errors.
We are miles behind them on & off the field. We need a clear-out of the squad & without significant financial investment so we can get better players we are set to continue a cycle of failure.
With no obvious assets to sell, Butland apart, playing within FFP rules means we will see another mixture of Championship failures mixes with Euro hopefuls brought in.
Without real money, we are structed to be second going forward, barring 1 off's, in unique circumstances- 55, it's hard to see us regain top place in Scotland anytime soon.
 
Agree with all those who said the board down but to me we’ve never had a proper squad or evolved the team. If we had a European game against Man City for example we don’t have the players to park the bus. Even yesterday we’d have to put Sterling in not his natural position. Injuries play a part but we haven’t invested wisely or developed the team. We still have players from Gerrards team. Celtic outwith a couple are constantly selling and changing their team we don’t
 
Davie Weir Loyal said:
People are slowly waking up to the fact that our Captain and vice Captain are a huge contributing factor to this utterly woeful period in our history
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Takes a special type of person to think our lack of success is down to the captain who is just about to claim top goalscorer for the 2nd time in 3 years or Goldson as the main issue. In that time saw Gio stick with the same 13 or 14 players that he trusted or Beale being given free reign in the summer to do what he want.

But NO all Tav and Goldsons fault.
 
deedle said:
I’d disagree with that.

The support has simply underestimated the task involved in repairing the damage inflicted in 2012. Celtic have had access to £100millions extra money.

Not only does the club face the problem of rebuilding on the park, but the football authorities are effectively controlled by Celtic. The biased refereeing within Scotland and the selective decision-making of the Compliance Officer are simply symptoms of a larger problem.

The mainstream media and nearly all politicians are effectively enemies.

What was and is needed is a strong figure in the boardroom who will recognise these issues and act accordingly.
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Even just look at what happened to the two squads of the 11/12 season.

We lost probably 50m worth of players for nothing a d had to start from scratch.

They went on to sell players for 30m or so and had that to reinvest in an already strong squad for a one horse race for the next decade near enough.
 
bkerr72 said:
Takes a special type of person to think our lack of success is down to the captain who is just about to claim top goalscorer for the 2nd time in 3 years or Goldson as the main issue. In that time saw Gio stick with the same 13 or 14 players that he trusted or Beale being given free reign in the summer to do what he want.

But NO all Tav and Goldsons fault.
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Takes a special type of person to ignore the countless goals we concede because he doesn't mark, he doesn't prevent crosses into box, his disappearing acts in multiple old firm games. The most unsuccessful Rangers captain in our history. But we go again next year.....
 
deedle said:
I’d disagree with that.

The support has simply underestimated the task involved in repairing the damage inflicted in 2012. Celtic have had access to £100millions extra money.

Not only does the club face the problem of rebuilding on the park, but the football authorities are effectively controlled by Celtic. The biased refereeing within Scotland and the selective decision-making of the Compliance Officer are simply symptoms of a larger problem.

The mainstream media and nearly all politicians are effectively enemies.

What was and is needed is a strong figure in the boardroom who will recognise these issues and act accordingly.
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Up until 2020 we justifiably had the “2012” reason for our lack of success. But after we won 55 the momentum was with us, they were all at sea and had we built on that success we could have been out of sight now. Whether it was the board or Gerrard at fault we did not cash in on some key players then (the trading model!), didn’t refresh and rebuild the team and allowed ourselves to not just crash out the CL at the qualifying stage but also lose the league to Celtic. We then spent relatively little overall under a proper proven manager in Gio even when he got us to a Europa league final. Then at the very point we all started to defend the board by saying we didn’t have the money to bankroll the manager we do just that with a coach who sweet talked himself into a job by self proclaiming he was the brains behind Gerrards success (even then as much as I loved SG it was 1/9 trophies so the brains behind never quite stood up).

We can’t keep clinging to 2012. This mess is on the board, the managers and the players.
 
Ultimately poor decision making at boardroom level has held us back.
From poor choices of manager to paying that much in bonuses to players for qualifying for the champions league the club saw no real financial benefit from qualifying.
We need to improve a lot of aspects at the club.
 
ecossebear said:
Up until 2020 we justifiably had the “2012” reason for our lack of success. But after we won 55 the momentum was with us, they were all at sea and had we built on that success we could have been out of sight now. Whether it was the board or Gerrard at fault we did not cash in on some key players then (the trading model!), didn’t refresh and rebuild the team and allowed ourselves to not just crash out the CL at the qualifying stage but also lose the league to Celtic. We then spent relatively little overall under a proper proven manager in Gio even when he got us to a Europa league final. Then at the very point we all started to defend the board by saying we didn’t have the money to bankroll the manager we do just that with a coach who sweet talked himself into a job by self proclaiming he was the brains behind Gerrards success (even then as much as I loved SG it was 1/9 trophies so the brains behind never quite stood up).

We can’t keep clinging to 2012. This mess is on the board, the managers and the players.
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That's not true though.

They went out and spent £80m over the next three seasons. We can't say if we spent 5m or something on a midfielder we would still have matched them

They were able to do that exactly because of the events of 2012 and their mostly unchallenged period of access to champions league money.
 
This year because we got beat by Ross County and drew with Dundee- otherwise we would have won the league. Blame the Board all you like but these players should have had it in them to do win both games.
 
Boardroom has/had the wrong people, King, Park, Bisgrove, Robertson.

Managers not being good enough Warburton, Pedro, Gerrard, Beale, Gio.
 
Bigbluebear said:
That's not true though.

They went out and spent £80m over the next three seasons. We can't say if we spent 5m or something on a midfielder we would still have matched them

They were able to do that exactly because of the events of 2012 and their mostly unchallenged period of access to champions league money.
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But in 2020/21 we had overhauled them. We had done the almost impossible on our budget and won the league. We could have got the Champions League fruits we longed for and sold any number of Kamara, Morelos, Kent, Goldson, Hagi for big money to reinvest in the team. They were all at sea, their new manager was about a game away from getting the sack! We let ourselves go backwards, and still this season we started 3 out of 4 of our back line as the same guys who started Gerrards first season! Then as I say we get a good manager in, dont back him, then throw what seemed like unlimited cash at a fraud!

Our decisions top down have been shocking for four years now. Who’s at fault? 1) the board. 2) Beale. 3) Tav/Goldson/Lundstram/Borna 4) Ross Wilson.
 
ecossebear said:
But in 2020/21 we had overhauled them. We had done the almost impossible on our budget and won the league. We could have got the Champions League fruits we longed for and sold any number of Kamara, Morelos, Kent, Goldson, Hagi for big money to reinvest in the team. They were all at sea, their new manager was about a game away from getting the sack! We let ourselves go backwards, and still this season we started 3 out of 4 of our back line as the same guys who started Gerrards first season! Then as I say we get a good manager in, dont back him, then throw what seemed like unlimited cash at a fraud!

Our decisions top down have been shocking for four years now. Who’s at fault? 1) the board. 2) Beale. 3) Tav/Goldson/Lundstram/Borna 4) Ross Wilson.
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1 and 4 (appointed by 1).

1 also responsible for 2

It’s 1
 
In my opinion we stood still after the 55 season. After years of hurt and difficulty we got ourselves on top and stood still at that point rather than recruiting well and kicking on.
 
ecossebear said:
Up until 2020 we justifiably had the “2012” reason for our lack of success. But after we won 55 the momentum was with us, they were all at sea and had we built on that success we could have been out of sight now. Whether it was the board or Gerrard at fault we did not cash in on some key players then (the trading model!), didn’t refresh and rebuild the team and allowed ourselves to not just crash out the CL at the qualifying stage but also lose the league to Celtic. We then spent relatively little overall under a proper proven manager in Gio even when he got us to a Europa league final. Then at the very point we all started to defend the board by saying we didn’t have the money to bankroll the manager we do just that with a coach who sweet talked himself into a job by self proclaiming he was the brains behind Gerrards success (even then as much as I loved SG it was 1/9 trophies so the brains behind never quite stood up).

We can’t keep clinging to 2012. This mess is on the board, the managers and the players.
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There’s no doubt the board has made mistakes. There were too many factions who thought they knew best.

Hence, they went for Stewart Robertson rather than a proper CEO.

However, we couldn’t capitalise on winning the title 3 years ago simply because we didn’t have enough money at the time to strengthen the team. This led to Gerrard leaving. They have always had money in reserve.

I don’t see this as an excuse. Boards can make bad decisions. However, their turnover is consistently higher and they therefore have a greater margin of error.
 
Davie Weir Loyal said:
Takes a special type of person to ignore the countless goals we concede because he doesn't mark, he doesn't prevent crosses into box, his disappearing acts in multiple old firm games. The most unsuccessful Rangers captain in our history. But we go again next year.....
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He doesn't disappear in games against them that's just nonsense he has 5 goals in his last 8 league games against them. He's played in Rangers teams that had no right to win trophies especially before Gerrard came in the door and even in Gerrards first 2 years. Should he have won more after that? Absolutely but again to say we don't win things purely down to him and Goldson is just utter nonsense.

Was it his fault Gio stuck by 13 or 14 players and ran them into the ground as we went to Seville? Was it their fault Beale was allowed free reign to sign who he wanted in the summer?

If we get a decent bid for him in the summer then it's time to go. Those 24 goals and 9 assists aren't easily replaced and anyone who thinks they are then sorry they're deluding themselves.
 
ecossebear said:
But in 2020/21 we had overhauled them. We had done the almost impossible on our budget and won the league. We could have got the Champions League fruits we longed for and sold any number of Kamara, Morelos, Kent, Goldson, Hagi for big money to reinvest in the team. They were all at sea, their new manager was about a game away from getting the sack! We let ourselves go backwards, and still this season we started 3 out of 4 of our back line as the same guys who started Gerrards first season! Then as I say we get a good manager in, dont back him, then throw what seemed like unlimited cash at a fraud!

Our decisions top down have been shocking for four years now. Who’s at fault? 1) the board. 2) Beale. 3) Tav/Goldson/Lundstram/Borna 4) Ross Wilson.
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We should have got the CL regardless, never will we have an easier set of qualifiers.

There's no guarantees that any of what you say would have led to a period of dominance for us when they have so much money to chuck at their problems.

As well as us getting things right, we need them to get things wrong too.
 
James19 said:
In many other leagues, we’d possibly say we weren’t in a terrible place.

In Scotland, it’s a catastrophe being a few points behind our rivals.

They have recruited better than us. Simple as that.
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Not this season they didn’t there signings were terrible they won’t make same mistake twice the worry is if Rodgers picks a few rabbits out the hat like sinclair and dembele we will likely be playing for second again
 
bkerr72 said:
He doesn't disappear in games against them that's just nonsense he has 5 goals in his last 8 league games against them. He's played in Rangers teams that had no right to win trophies especially before Gerrard came in the door and even in Gerrards first 2 years. Should he have won more after that? Absolutely but again to say we don't win things purely down to him and Goldson is just utter nonsense.

Was it his fault Gio stuck by 13 or 14 players and ran them into the ground as we went to Seville? Was it their fault Beale was allowed free reign to sign who he wanted in the summer?

If we get a decent bid for him in the summer then it's time to go. Those 24 goals and 9 assists aren't easily replaced and anyone who thinks they are then sorry they're deluding themselves.
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I never once said that it was solely down to Tav and Goldson
 
Moe Szyslak said:
The off field commercial approach seems to be a well set out strategy showing year on year improvement . But where is the football one ? Mediocre English championship players being given eye watering contracts , a playing wage bill higher than the tinks and no stranger strategy for cashing in on assets like Morelos, Kent etc highlights dreadful mismanagement. We have no Scottish identity anymore , I want to see more investment in identifying Scottish talent who know our club and what it means, along with young hungry foreign players we can sell on for profit, we can’t keep letting squads go on the cheap in 2 year cycles , it’s madness.
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The commercial approach isn’t quite as amazing as the spin put on it. A few examples off the top of my head:

Our main sponsor is the same as it has been since the spivs were about. We’ve added additional sponsors to our shirts… sportemongo went tits up, another company - Bitci - sponsored our shorts and have disappeared (also linked to money laundering).

Castore have been, generally, okay but any shirt sales post Ashley / Elite were always going to spike.

Corporate has seen an increase, although these figures are slightly massaged given Bar 72 went from regular punter / ticket office to under the corporate banner.

The sports bar was meant to open “early 2024” we are now half way through the year and little sign of activity there.

Our flagship EH was over budget and is smaller than planned (and can’t even host our internal club events like POTY or sufficiently house the AGM - broadcast/beamback in Club72 this year.

Our commercial team also entertained the circus in Australia.
 
deedle said:
There’s no doubt the board has made mistakes. There were too many factions who thought they knew best.

Hence, they went for Stewart Robertson rather than a proper CEO.

However, we couldn’t capitalise on winning the title 3 years ago simply because we didn’t have enough money at the time to strengthen the team. This led to Gerrard leaving. They have always had money in reserve.

I don’t see this as an excuse. Boards can make bad decisions. However, their turnover is consistently higher and they therefore have a greater margin of error.
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The board made a monumental error in not backing the manager after winning 55 and I suspect there was promises of financial backing. We are told of huge losses due to covid which could be an explanation however we were also told we were insured for those losses. We dominated Celtic at the time and should have pushed on but we didn't and we now find ourselves miles behind a poor Celtic side. We should've invested again after reaching the EL final and qualifying for CL and again we didn't do it. We have Bennett come out and say speeches about best in class but until we get a football minded individual on the board it's looking likely we'll continue to struggle. To be successful we need to have the ability to beat Celtic regularly and 2 wins from 15 certainly isn't best in class statistics.
 
spotlight said:
Yep. And they never let club ownership out of their own circle. We had evil outsiders in control at Ibrox. Don’t ever be mugs again.
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I was just thinking about this. It's very true what you say. McCann would never have got control of them, if he had no links whatsoever. He genuinely came in said what he was going to do and left, as he said he would, but he knew the club and cared enough to get them back on track. They were on their knees at the time and him, with a load of celtic men got involved. Was like an earl haig rallying call.

That's the way for us to be, I want men at Ibrox who will be dob's to that lot.
 
IbroxMainStand said:
It isn't popular to say but we from boardroom to manager and players now a very comfortable club in finishing second year in year out. There is literally zero pressure playing at Rangers anymore because of the way contracts have been handed out meaning even if people fail they know they are guaranteed millions even if not winning the league.

Sadly its now also among a good portion of the fanbase who every year are happy blaming referees, lack of finances and thinking that us going on decent run for a few months a year is a sign the club is moving in the right direction. Since Gerrard left we have being going backwards at an alarming pace, we are not a well managed club.
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(Between November and March.)
 
1. We didnt sign the correct players and we didnt sell the right players after we won 55. We should have sold one of Alfie, Kent or Kamara for big cash and then reinvested. We didnt and se signed Lundstram and Bacuno.
2. We didnt back Gio with the funds we very soon gave to Beale Diallo, Ramsay, the Polish boy were all not good enough when we were still in with a chance of the league and the Europa League final. Who made that decision?
3. That we made the final was phenomenal from Gio and in particular the players I'm most critical of now - Lundstram, Goldson, Tav, McGregor.
4. After the final we should have cashed in on Alfie, Kent and the players with only a year left in their contract. We didnt.
5. We should have thanked Goldson, McGregor, Jack for their effort and let them go but we didnt and we resigned them on new contracts!
6. Gio wasnt backed anything like he would have expected that summer. Yes we got a few players in but not the replacements to Aribo, Bassey that we needed. If we had no money I could have understood but a year later Beale is being showered the cash!
7. Gio gets the boot in the most distateful way (Beale showing up while hes still in the job). That was the wrong way to go about it and set the wrong message from the start.
8. Borna, Lundstram, Tav, Goldson should all have been cashed in on at that point when it was clear their legs were gone or they were out of contract. But no, we sign Jack yet again on another year extension and now they other 2 will go for free!
9. Who sanctioned Beale to spend so much money not addressing the key problems (left back, right back, centre back, centre midfield) in the team? Who thought Lammers and Dessers would be any better than Sakala and Colak?
10. When it was crying out for change why did the board take so long to get rid of Beale? Why did he get the summer when it was looking pretty clear he didnt have a clue?
11. Who sanctioned the supposedly huge fee for Silva in the January window? Who thought that was a better idea than a CB and a striker?
12. Who is even now contemplating giving new deals to Lundstram and Jack?

Its not as easy to say its just one thing or another. As others have posted the board pick the managers, the managers pick the players, teh fans worship or hate the players so much it forces the managers hands, the managers poor form forces the boards hands. Just seems like we're stuck in this doom loop!
 
Awaydays said:
I was just thinking about this. It's very true what you say. McCann would never have got control of them, if he had no links whatsoever. He genuinely came in said what he was going to do and left, as he said he would, but he knew the club and cared enough to get them back on track. They were on their knees at the time and him, with a load of celtic men got involved. Was like an earl haig rallying call.

That's the way for us to be, I want men at Ibrox who will be dob's to that lot.
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We seem to have some fans who are impressed by anyone who praises us and promises big money. Without looking at their background and whether they are one of us and want to part of the long term. It’s naive, there are so many smooth talking shysters out there. Don’t get fooled again.
 
DelMarSunset said:
Not backing Gerrard was the start of the most recent downturn. That mob were a shambles and we were absolutely flying... £10-15m spent that summer could have meant we were out of sight for a few years
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The state of the accounts after Covid killed that notion stone dead. That and a total reluctance to sell players when we had offers, granted the market was very weird post Covid. However, we failed to trade and accumulated losses.

Front loading the investment in the squad under Gerrard, in order to stop them winning 10iar, arguably set us back. If it weren't for Gio getting us to Seville, selling Bassey and qualifying for the CL, our finances would be in an even worse state than they are at present.

They were a shambles, but they had the cash reserves to rectify it, something that many people, including myself, overlooked almost entirely. They handed Postecoglou a clean slate and a huge budget, cleared out a swathe of players, and successfully sold players with a year left on their contracts for decent fees. Contrast that with what we've done in recent years, and you won't fail to spot where we've gone wrong.
 
CooperBlu11 said:
2012 is no longer an excuse. We've come away from that period a few years back.

Biggest issue is poor recruitment and hanging onto players who should have been moved on a year or two ago.
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I agree. I’ve got mates that go on about 2012. Yes we were nearly killed off, but 55 and Seville should have ensured that we had emerged from a dark place.
 
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