Why does every poor result get blamed on Tav?

[DerHammer88]

Because he’s red rotten at being a captain that’s why.

Personal goals aside, and they are plentiful, his trophy return as the captain of Rangers Football Club, a proud institution that had captains winning trophies for fun at one point, is fucking pitiful.

Had he won maybe 2 or 3 league titles it probably wouldn’t be so bad for him criticism wise, but he hasn’t and he’s won two, fucking 2 major trophies with the club as its figurehead.

It’s pathetic.

He’s not the only one to blame, but he’s happy to take the responsibility when the meagre glories follow, so he can accept it when we throw things away.

He’s captain, in good and bad and this is fucking the worst so he can take the beating, and by the way, he deserves it more than some. I don’t care if he scores 157 goals a season, that’s great, but if he finishes second in the league then all these things mean absolutely fucking %^*& all.

I want titles and trophies, not how many goals and assists tavs got for the season.

Our support have been conditioned to accept this utter shite.

So is it the fault of a player who actually does contribute with goals and assists that we haven't won more silverware? Or the board for their managerial choices, the manager's signings not working and so on?

 

[Gascoigne87]

I watch him crossing the ball from the side of the opposition penalty box regularly, i'd say that's RW.

Mate, there's a difference from running up the line from the right back position than being on the right wing.

Unless I have had a fall, we have always Sima's position being on the RW and Tav being a RB no?

 

[Los Pollos Hermanos]

Tav dictates play he takes all throw ins and he takes all corners . Our style of play is dictated by everyone trying to give him the ball down his side , he's not the player he was when it comes to crossing or passing .
Id much prefer not to be relying on one player who's best days are behind him .
That's before getting to the fact that he needs someone covering his arse constantly as he is up the park and can't make it back .

Nurse.

 

[MrStruth]

genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.

He has very little inspirational qualities

 

[WATP1979]

genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.

We’ve not many bigger problems than him and his pal that sits next to him in the back four

To both, thanks for your service but your tea’s oot

 

[NFTG]

If Desers could take penalties, had hit and scored the number of penalties Tav has this season

And Tav didn’t have penalty goals and only a goal return of 4 or 5 goals

Would people think Dessers had bailed us out and was a player we simply couldn’t get rid of?

 

[Gascoigne87]

He has very little inspirational qualities

Lead by example, but the example right now is what we are seeing.

 

[Viatrophy]

He can only do so much though.

He doesn’t sign his teammates

Every year he’s stepped up with contributions.

If all other players contributed half of what Tav has, we’d have far more trophies in the cabinet

Instead of Hateley he had Joey Garner, instead of Ferguson, Durrant, Laudrup and Gazza he has had Lundstram, Lawrence, Wright and Matondo.

Tav has flaws but he has stepped up a lot more times than he has cost us.

 

[DerHammer88]

We’ve not many bigger problems than him and his pal that sits next to him in the back four

To both, thanks for your service but your tea’s oot

What about Tav scoring 6 more goals than our entire midfield combined? That not a big problem nah? Or having zero prolific strikers at the club? Or wingers who score?

None of that nah?

 

[JCDarcheville]

Could not agree more OP. There’s some folk that enjoyed bettering into him so much in his early career that they can’t resist the “I told you so” temptation now. He’s the one player that has consistently stepped up, he’s never been the problem, we need more like him to share the burden.

 

[TriggersBroom]

He has very little inspirational qualities

On what basis?

He’s consistently available to play week in week out. Very rarely injured.

Has played through injuries previously which I’d say is inspirational in a dressing room given we have some absolute imposters that miss weeks/months every season due to niggles.

SG and GVB deemed him captain material. Both world class decorated players and captains I may add.

 

[TriggersBroom]

We’ve not many bigger problems than him and his pal that sits next to him in the back four

To both, thanks for your service but your tea’s oot

Oh we’ve plenty.

No left back that can be relied upon to remain injury free

A truly honking midfield that doesn’t score goals not have many assists

Zero wingers of quality

Zero reliable goalscoring strikers

But aye, it’s the goal scoring and assisting right back that’s the biggest issue we have

 

[WATP1979]

What about Tav scoring 6 more goals than our entire midfield combined? That not a big problem nah? Or having zero prolific strikers at the club? Or wingers who score?

None of that nah?

Nope, his job is primarily as a defender and “captain”……neither of which he is now up to

The continuing blinkered approach to “oh but his goals” is what’s holding us back. He’s not alone, there’s half a dozen that have gone beyond their shelf life, that’s just a cold hard fact that some continue not to grasp

How good is his defending as a defender? How does the obsession with him taking these corners that are telegraphed each and every time help us? How many goals do we concede down his and goldson’s side?

Mic dropped

 

[RTD-BEAR]

Just seen Boyd’s comments at FT. Spot on.

Continually relying on a right back to dig us out of a hole sums up the bigger problem we have.

No one else regularly steps up.

That's the problem and why he gets it in the neck he did us out of holes a lot

When he had off games people are expecting him to be perfect and its impossible.

He had his flaws no one can argue that but so do our other players a good manager doesn't expose them as we seem to seem to have last 4/5 games.

Goldson isn't comfortable having to go so far out to cover tav in the inverted fb role is then leaving huge gaps in defence jl goes to cover then midfield is short and the strikers don't move.

Team and tactics are big thing just now we are putting players into system they are not good enough for clement needs to change that otherwise its going get worse

Players need to look at themselves as energy levels are disgraceful and basics and I mean basics of simple 10 yard passes going behind runners etc players

 

[georgedoors]

BINGO!

Haha, honestly man this fucking place. Why do people feel the need to just make up lies? By all means criticise the players/team, but at least be factual in the nonsense you speak.

Maybe if you actually read, instead of highlighting the first line.
Carry on with your head in the sand all the same to you.

 

[WATP1979]

Maybe if you actually read, instead of highlighting the first line.
Carry on with your head in the sand all the same to you.

Amen pal

 

[tomb1234]

genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.

Spot on this !

 

[kirkiebluenose]

Taverniers time is up at Rangers the fans will have to accept it he’s part of a culture that delivers failure it’s time to cull that narrative

 

[Sticky Fingers]

So is it the fault of a player who actually does contribute with goals and assists that we haven't won more silverware? Or the board for their managerial choices, the manager's signings not working and so on?

A wee mixture of everything.

I did say he’s not fully to blame, but he’s the figurehead on the park, the team that’s put out to win games and titles.

The club as a whole is a shambles, top to bottom and maybe this is a blessing in disguise and we can all see what is going on. We’ve been got at by a game that was cancelled twice and all the media pish afterwards, the pressure told directly from that scenario.

We need a full rebuild, a squad rip out and start again and go again with fresh blood, fresh ideas and perhaps players who may well become successful here. It’s been a long old run without much success. It can’t go on for much longer and the vast majority of it, off the park at least, won’t be laid at tavs door. On the park, as the man with the “administrative” duties of being Captain, he gets to enjoy the criticism as much as when he gets to take the glory for trophy wins. Can’t have it one way without the other.

 

[DerHammer88]

Maybe if you actually read, instead of highlighting the first line.
Carry on with your head in the sand all the same to you.

You said he takes all the corners and throw ins, why lie?

 

[stooler]

The problem is not Tav, Goldson or Lundstram

It's the shower playing in front of them that has been the problem for years

Strikers who can't score, attacking midfielders who can't unlock a defence

Dessers, Cantwell, Silva, Lawrence, Dowell, Matondo are all not good enough
Danilo and Cortes are crocked, Roofe is always injured and Sima will be leaving us soon
Lammers lasted 6 months and our 1 creative attacker Hagi was put out on loan and 1 consistent finisher Colak was sold
Sakala, Kent and Morelos were all hit or miss for various reasons
Before that we had Herrera, Pena, and umpteen loans like Dalcio

I'm unsure how all those things are Tavs fault

 

[georgedoors]

You said he takes all the corners and throw ins, why lie?

Who else takes corners? As for throw ins , obviously that be on his side anywhere near the box . You still handpicked a line without reading all other points ,good for you.

 

[WATP1979]

The problem is not Tav, Goldson or Lundstram

It's the shower playing in front of them that has been the problem for years

Strikers who can't score, attacking midfielders who can't unlock a defence

Dessers, Cantwell, Silva, Lawrence, Dowell, Matondo are all not good enough
Danilo and Cortes are crocked, Roofe is always injured and Sima will be leaving us soon
Lammers lasted 6 months and our 1 creative attacker Hagi was put out on loan and 1 consistent finisher Colak was sold
Sakala, Kent and Morelos were all hit or miss for various reasons
Before that we had Herrera, Pena, and umpteen loans like Dalcio

I'm unsure how all those things are Tavs fault

Mate, with all due respect…..what are the common factors in the continued failures?

I’ve highlighted two of them over the past couple of seasons

There comes a time to part ways with the roots of problems, that time is overdue unfortunately

 

[MrStruth]

 

[TriggersBroom]

Even seeing him copping abuse for being crouched down at FT tonight looking at the grass ffs

What’s he supposed to do, skip off the park with a smile on his face.

 

[TriggersBroom]

Mate, with all due respect…..what are the common factors in the continued failures?

I’ve highlighted two of them over the past couple of seasons

There comes a time to part ways with the roots of problems, that time is overdue unfortunately

The biggest common factor is woeful recruitment.

 

[WATP1979]

The biggest common factor is woeful recruitment.

And retention of players that simply are not good enough or have gone past their value to the team and become liabilities that the opponent sees and goes at in every game

 

[MartinS93]

So is it the fault of a player who actually does contribute with goals and assists that we haven't won more silverware? Or the board for their managerial choices, the manager's signings not working and so on?

As well as gives them away to our biggest rivals more than anyone else.

The goals he gives away are far more decisive than the penalties he scores for us.

 

[MwgRFC88]

Because people think one man dictates whether a team wins or loses trophies.

Even when that man is one of the few contributing. And now he's had a few weeks not contributing we can see that the goals and points dry up.

It's bizarre. Bordering on an obsession from some.

Meanwhile guys like Cantwell who produce zero in the big moments get lauded.

Nail on head for me.

I can't quite believe the charmed life Cantwell leads, hardly ever hear a negative word said about him. No idea why.

 

[kirkiebluenose]

Nail on head for me.

I can't quite believe the charmed life Cantwell leads, hardly ever hear a negative word said about him. No idea why.

He’s championship dross accept it

 

[WATP1979]

Nail on head for me.

I can't quite believe the charmed life Cantwell leads, hardly ever hear a negative word said about him. No idea why.

He’s another……my opinion is he’s no more than a Josh Windass in today’s terms

 

[RutherglenLoyal]

He is supposed to be the leader. How can a new player or youngster look to him. He constantly s***s the bed against celtic or in a game of important/expectation. 21 seconds of the OF game...that's your leader. He never goes through anybody verbally he never gets angry at his own team or opposition. It's not all his fault but he is a symbol of the mediocrity that the clubs and fans like the OP settle for.

 

[DerHammer88]

Who else takes corners? As for throw ins , obviously that be on his side anywhere near the box . You still handpicked a line without reading all other points ,good for you.

Yilmaz or Barisic on the other side of the pitch.

Against Celtic Diomande was hitting them.

I did read the rest, but you ruin any points you make when you just make up utter tripe to have a dig.

 

[MartinS93]

Words of a proper warrior.

 

[MwgRFC88]

He’s championship dross accept it

That's my opinion but what I'm saying is he seems to get a very easy time of it from majority of fans.

 

[WATP1979]

Yilmaz or Barisic on the other side of the pitch.

Against Celtic Diomande was hitting them.

I did read the rest, but you ruin any points you make when you just make up utter tripe to have a dig.

We had 9 corners tonight resulting in …..and guess who took them all

 

[MwgRFC88]

We had 9 corners tonight resulting in …..guess who took them all

There were a few in the first half that were in excellent areas, but a combination of poor attacking of them/dundee luck/good defending meant they came to nothing.

I don't think anyone else in the team that started tonight would even volunteer to take them. Gutless and spineless.

 

[WATP1979]

There were a few in the first half that were in excellent areas, but a combination of poor attacking of them/dundee luck/good defending meant they came to nothing.

I don't think anyone else in the team that started tonight would even volunteer to take them. Gutless and spineless.

Every single one is the same, it’s like watching a re-run from one to the next

An opposition’s wet dream to defend

 

[TheBlueMagoo]

Because he has been the figure head of countless capitulation. His goal tally is unbelievable but our reliance on him may be more of a hindrance as defensively he is weak and often caught out of position.

I found giving him hall of fame status whilst still playing wad bizarre too

 

[TheGreatDane]

Because he captains the team to failure year after year

His performances the run in have been absolutely shocking aswell

He should probably never have been made captain. He’s suffered for it, albeit I’m sure at the end of his career he’ll be grateful for the honour.

The reality is that Tav has been our best outfield player by a mile this season yet again. As Boydy said, we should not be relying on our RB for goals and assists. We would be in a far worse position if we didn’t have him.

I think there’s definitely a conversation to be had about him gracefully handing the armband over to someone else now. The problem is there aren’t many alternatives. People wanted Lundstram and Cantwell to have it this year and look how their form has collapsed. Butland could easily be away in the summer as well.

 

[MwgRFC88]

Every single one is the same, it’s like watching a re-run from one to the next

An opposition’s wet dream to defend

We don't offer any threat at corners, the movement is so poor.

 

[RFC56]

It’s a comfort blanket for many to blame tav. Tonight was just another example of the horrific recruitment that has existed at our club for the past 2/3 seasons. Just brutal. We rely on our right back to still pull us out of games, a fucking right back.

Our midfield is powderpuff and shit and exactly why we don’t win games against them. McGregor, Hatate and O’Reilly are miles above anything we have and it’s not particularly close. Christ Dundee and Ross county have played through it without a fuss.

Lundstram, cantwell, Lawrence, any midfielder we have is a million levels below what’s required. Tom Lawrence is one of the worst I’ve seen for us, quite literally does nothing well.

Our attacking options are laughable, dessers who’s utterly shite, silva who literally does nothing on the park, roofe who is a cripple at this point. Danilo who looked like he couldn’t finish %^*& all either.

Tav has been at rangers at a time when our right back has been relied upon to be our best attacking threat, he’s been routinely surrounded by shite. We’ve never had a balanced team good enough to win the league apart from the 55 season. He always has high g/a because if we didn’t have him I dread to think what our midfield and attack would produce.

 

[WATP1979]

It’s a comfort blanket for many to blame tav. Tonight was just another example of the horrific recruitment that has existed at our club for the past 2/3 seasons. Just brutal. We rely on our right back to still pull us out of games, a fucking right back.

Our midfield is powderpuff and shit and exactly why we don’t win games against them. McGregor, Hatate and O’Reilly are miles above anything we have and it’s not particularly close. Lundstram, cantwell, Lawrence, any midfielder we have is a million levels below what’s required. Tom Lawrence is one of the worst I’ve seen for us, quite literally does nothing well.

Our attacking options are laughable, dessers who’s utterly shite, silva who literally does nothing on the park, roofe who is a cripple at this point. Danilo who looked like he couldn’t finish %^*& all either.

Tav has been at rangers at a time when our right back has been relied upon to be our best attacking threat, he’s been routinely surrounded by shite. We’ve never had a balanced team good enough to win the league apart from the 55 season.

The comfort blanket is not to hold him and his pal culpable, not just now, but for a couple of seasons

It’s an uncomfortable truth that far too many hide from. Divorce is never easy, hiding from it for 2 years is worse

 

[OlegKuznetsov]

Its not his fault. Hes the best right back that weve ever had

Unfortunately for him (and us) he plays for Rangers in this era.

It’s simple as that

Tavs not to blame for this

 

[TerryMunro]

Tavernier no longer has the speed,stamina and fitness required to make the position of an attacking fullback advantageous. If he is running forward then a midfielder will have to take up his fullback role removing the man advantage that an attacking fullback brings.
It just isn’t working, we are weak in defence and creating very little chances for the forwards.

 

[Shengus Malengus]

genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.

His haters have been waiting patiently for a few poor performances from him and then it's a big pile on.


Clueless every last one of them.

 

[Centralbear]

He shouldn't be captain but if we had a reliable central defence and a midfield that would compete we could probably get away with his defensive frailties, which he undoubtedly has.

I feel that as many times as not his supposed errors are of being caught out of position because of our inability to hold on to the ball in midfield and therefore he is caught upfield in transition.

 

[Once a BEAR]

Because he is the easy option and always has been

 

[Arkanoid]

Rewarding failure needs to stop, I think he will be here next season only because we've stumbled across Sterling being a gem in midfield

 

[Crawford*****]

genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.

Mwhahahaha