Why does every poor result get blamed on Tav?

As captain he takes responsibility but sadly he doesn't. Most goals against us come down his side and goldsons positioning. If it wasn't for his goalie people would be screaming at him
 
RangersLad1983 said:
Not the bad wayward passing passing major mistakes in big games that Tav brings eh

It's not just them let's be honest every team see him as a weakness Sterling hinting tonight about the attitude of some of our players and quite rightly so,I just read the quote Tav wrote in a rangers programme seasons ago talking about how we can't cope in Scotland with teams who get in our face, read that from a captain of Rangers,it's disgraceful and as true then as it is now and he is still there and captaining our club now,god help us .
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Ok just ignore the 125 goals many crucial including 20 in Europe lets highlight a wayward pass.Any defender with his amount of games will have had some mistakes in them.It ridiculous the amount of stick he gets.
 
TriggersBroom said:
genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.
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He is a massive problem along with goldson and Lundstrum.
 
Cyberniv said:
Not sure he has, but if he has any lack of belief, he isn't showing it to the extent of others.
Bothers me that he doesn’t know if there’s a lack of belief or not. There should be no doubt in his mind and it’s indicative that there is. He seems confused and lacking leadership.
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You'd be as well saying you 'like Sterling so he's not a shitebag, doesn't lacks bottle, and you are fine he has no belief and it's all on Tavernier.'

FF mental gymnastics... :D
 
NFTG said:
I’m assuming that you’ve not answered in goals, it’s not the great difference you think it is…
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I've got Rangers, middle to front. 51 league goals.

Celtic are 74. So even taking off the 9 penalties puts them at 65, or 14 goals more if you prefer.

But you're probably right, it won't be that, it will be the defence that's conceded the least amount of goals that's the issue.
 
FirstToFifty said:
"Whenever anybody puts a bit of pressure on us in Scotland or gets in our face it seems to affect us too much.

"At the start of the season teams dropped off us and we were scoring four or five goals, but now they smell blood straight away and put us under pressure.

"We are not good enough domestically to react to that."

4 years ago an nothing has changed.
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That’s my point exactly, you said he said that he suffers from pressure, he didn’t, he said we…not he
 
Chocolateleftfoot said:
I've got Rangers, middle to front. 51 league goals.

Celtic are 74. So even taking off the 9 penalties puts them at 65, or 14 goals more if you prefer.

But you're probably right, it won't be that, it will be the defence that's conceded the least amount of goals that's the issue.
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I had it at 10, it’s not far off them battering Dundee at homes difference. They have hit 7 and 6 in a couple of games, that’s about it.

They have won a raft of games 1-0 and 2-1

They haven’t been a regular free scoring battering machine team like they were the last couple of seasons
 
TriggersBroom said:
A squad mostly filled with average to shit players is the biggest issue
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Not saying they were average to shit when they’re taking us to the Europa League Final or latter stages of Europe. They just don’t have the bottle to finish a job off. No killer instinct. Couldn’t even see out Seville.
 
I think it's because for some fans he represents the underperforming dross we've endured over the years that threw away league titles after the winter break, who couldn't win a cup competition year after year, and after 9 seasons in the top flight looks like will only have 3 domestic honours to shout about.

Pretty shite state of affairs all round.
 
JS_11 said:
Not saying they were average to shit when they’re taking us to the Europa League Final or latter stages of Europe. They just don’t have the bottle to finish a job off. No killer instinct. Couldn’t even see out Seville.
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That Europa run masked the domestic form which wasn’t great.

The squad has always had too many average players in it that’s massively over achieved in Europe
 
Davie Weir said:
Yes, very poor but 99/100 that ends up anywhere but the back of our net.

To blame his defending for a fluke goal in a 3-3 draw as costing the league is wild.
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He makes a terrible mistake and gets punished - in a game that was VERY pivotal, so I can see why people blame his defending - can you not?
 
He is the Captain. He’s been a great player for us but time catching up. As for Captain, he doesn’t command the dressing room like a Greig, Butcher, Gough or Ferguson and that is a necessity for a club like ours. A proper rebuild is hopefully starting next season and I don’t think Tav will be part of that. Saudi or USA beckons.
Nothing would please me more if this team could deliver the title but there’s no evidence to support that.
 
Barryhopez said:
You'd be as well saying you 'like Sterling so he's not a shitebag, doesn't lacks bottle, and you are fine he has no belief and it's all on Tavernier.'

FF mental gymnastics... :D
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Sterling is making his way at Rangers, he’s 24 and doesn’t know if his teammates have belief or not.
To come out in public saying that, shouldn't be happening. Why did he feel the need to take that outside the dressing room? Should the ‘Leadership Group’ not be reassuring guys like him? The captain? The vice captain?
It’s not a good look.
 
Cyberniv said:
Sterling is making his way at Rangers, he’s 24 and doesn’t know if his teammates have belief or not.
To come out in public saying that, shouldn't be happening. Why did he feel the need to take that outside the dressing room? Should the ‘Leadership Group’ not be reassuring guys like him? The captain? The vice captain?
It’s not a good look.
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I get 'the leadership group' is the new FF buzz phrase, but it's nonsense. Sterling has literally came out and included himself in having no belief, and you are are giving it "ah well, you know....aye but Tav". Mental :D
 
NFTG said:
Dessers has scored 13 out of 17 penalties he’s took in his career.

It’s not bollocks. It’s a fundamental fact,

Our attackers as a group score less goals because a RB takes penalties

If Celtics RB took penalties there attackers would score less goals. If Alastair Johnstone had scored the 9 league goals from the penalty Celtic have scored the attackers numbers you mention for Celtic would be 9 goals less. It’s taking numbers away from their attacking players

We literally played Celtic when O Riley added a goal to their attacking numbers from the penalty spot.
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What in the name of %^*& are you slavering about.

Do the penalties count double or something if the strikers score them? We still wouldn't be scoring enough goals if the strikers took the penalties.
 
Because he's the captain of this ship full of losers.

Now that I've had time to think about things, At least Tav contributes goals/assists, But that just emphasizes the problem that no one else is stepping up in the attacking positions.
It's Goldson who needs to go in the summer he is done at us and will only get worse due to age but sadly because of his wages and contract length (which i'd honestly just pay off in summer to be rid of him) we'll be stuck with him stinking the place out again next season and if that's the case he needs to be benched or preferably bombed out to b team.
 
TriggersBroom said:
genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.
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Most people tbf have never played football at any reasonable level and it's therefore mostly unfounded perceptions.

We've fucked it but it is far from Tav's fault.

But haters gonna/gotta hate.
 
Common denominators. That is what you use to evaluate any situation.
How many managers, co players etc has a few of these guys seen come and go.
If you are captain or a senior player and your constantly coming up 2nd best then that should tell you everything. I'd kind of half accept it if Celtic were a great side but they are not.
Also how many times have we been at top of league at turn of year or so, only for it to mysteriously fall apart when it becomes crunchy time?
Like I said, common denominators.
 
TriggersBroom said:
Just seen Boyd’s comments at FT. Spot on.

Continually relying on a right back to dig us out of a hole sums up the bigger problem we have.

No one else regularly steps up.
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That is spot on to be fare, We do rely on him far too often and can’t rely on anyone else.

We need a striker that we can rely on, a midfielder that can pop up with goals as well, it’s a big summer coming up for our gaffer.

Imagine our team with a forward that could match Tavs numbers, a midfielder that could get close to him as well.
 
A quote from James Tavernier's programme notes from March 2020 during that season’s capitulation after the New Year:

"Whenever somebody puts a bit of pressure on us in Scotland and gets in our face it seems to affect us too much. At the start of the season teams dropped off us and we were scoring four or five goals, but now they smell blood straight away and put us under pressure. We are not good enough domestically to react to that.”

Groundhog day. Groundhog season. Same old people doing the same old things.

Source: (Tav after getting beat of Hamilton); also:

www.dailymail.co.uk

Rangers fans turn on Tavernier after brutally honest programme notes

Furious Rangers fans have taken aim at captain James Tavernier after he admitted that his side 'are not good enough' when teams put them under pressure.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Spoiler - that article isn’t written by the player.

It’s absolutely wild folk are digging up media team quotes to try denigrate our own players during a title run in.

Our support really is dreadfully everything apart from turning up.
 
Vidmar said:
Spoiler - that article isn’t written by the player.

It’s absolutely wild folk are digging up media team quotes to try denigrate our own players during a title run in.

Our support really is dreadfully everything apart from turning up.
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Same sh** different year.
 
Vidmar said:
Yes, apart from the undefeated league victory, couple of cups, European final and storming club coefficient…. same shit.

Cheer the f**k up, you hate Rangers, we get it, this is boring as hell.
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Keep playing the optimism drum. We’re allowed to be annoyed. We get it, you’re a ray of sunshine and positivity.
 
Vidmar said:
Spoiler - that article isn’t written by the player.

It’s absolutely wild folk are digging up media team quotes to try denigrate our own players during a title run in.

Our support really is dreadfully everything apart from turning up.
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And stringing sentences together :))
 
Live-It-Up said:
Link the threads.
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Well, here's one from yesterday...


Why does every poor result get blamed on Tav?

Because he’s red rotten at being a captain that’s why. Personal goals aside, and they are plentiful, his trophy return as the captain of Rangers Football Club, a proud institution that had captains winning trophies for fun at one point, is fucking pitiful. Had he won maybe 2 or 3 league titles...
www.followfollow.com www.followfollow.com

It's only posted a few times after every game we lose, so you work out how many times we've all seen it. :rolleyes:
 
Bigbluebear said:
What in the name of %^*& are you slavering about.

Do the penalties count double or something if the strikers score them? We still wouldn't be scoring enough goals if the strikers took the penalties.
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Of course they don't count double, odd thing to say.

A lot of posters though are commenting on the goal threat Tavernier is and how he digs us out of holes, yes, often as a consequence of a penalty won, that penalty has generally been won by an attacking player.

It is admirable Tavernier can take penalties, but the play which has lead to that isn't actually often caused by him, his goal return and goal threat from open play in particular this season, isn't anything out of the ordinary for a fullback.

The fact a RB takes penalties does also impact on "numbers" when people simply list the numbers of goals scored by our attacking players at the end of a season.
 
NFTG said:
Of course they don't count double, odd thing to say.

A lot of posters though are commenting on the goal threat Tavernier is and how he digs us out of holes, yes, often as a consequence of a penalty won, that penalty has generally been won by an attacking player.

It is admirable Tavernier can take penalties, but the play which has lead to that isn't actually often caused by him, his goal return and goal threat from open play in particular this season, isn't anything out of the ordinary for a fullback.

The fact a RB takes penalties does also impact on "numbers" when people simply list the numbers of goals scored by our attacking players at the end of a season.
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Your argument comes across as a defence of our strikers, who quite frankly, have been utter garbage this season (and for most seasons Tav has been here). The attacking areas of the pitch are the problem.
 
TriggersBroom said:
genuinely baffling.

How anyone could watch tonight and believe Tav is the problem is beyond me.

We had a woeful midfield 3 that Dundee walked through at times which happened at the weekend as well. Lundstram and Lawrence barely got beyond jogging pace tonight.

We have multiple forward players who struggle to create and stick the ball in the net. In January many felt we needed to sign a goalscorer and that’s now coming back to bite us on the arse.

Silva, Matondo are useless. Roofe is like an old cripple and Dessers is just woeful.

Goldson and Souttar are a bombscare partnership.

Tav has flaws, no arguments there. If he didn’t then he’d be playing at a far higher level.

But the amount of unfair criticism towards him is genuinely baffling.

“He goes hiding” - utter shite. No matter how bad he’s playing or the team is playing, he always shows for the ball and tries to drive us forward.

“He’s a bottle merchant” - utter shite. Lost count how many times he’s stepped up in pressure situations/moments in massive games to deliver an assist/free kick/goal. Hardly the signs of a bottler.

“he’s no a captain” - two world class players and captains in GVB and SG sung his praises as a captain and player but what do they know. All because he doesn’t scream and shout and grab teammates by the throat on the park.

He was our biggest contributor in reaching the Europa league final, top scorer in the competition scoring many pressure penalties including leading in the shootout with the first penalty. Almost won the thing had it not been for Ramsay.

Stepped up in the league cup final and regularly in the 55 season.

The trophy count since he’s been here hasn’t been good enough but it’s a collective team issue rather than a Tav issue. And the first few years he was here is hardly a stick to beat him with given the shite surrounding him and the circus we had in the dugout until Gerrard arrived.

If fans genuinely believe getting rid of Tav will result in our defence being solid and midfield/strikers making up Tav’s numbers and us winning everything in sight, it’s delusional IMO. And only when he leaves will we realise just how much he brings to the table.

We’ve far bigger problems in the team to address than Tav.
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Cracking post, nailed it. Our best player time and time again.
 
Bigbluebear said:
Your argument comes across as a defence of our strikers, who quite frankly, have been utter garbage this season (and for most seasons Tav has been here). The attacking areas of the pitch are the problem.
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It's not a defence of them, the number of goals when people just list numbers is skewed by a RB taking penalties.

The number of goals and the apparent goal threat Tavernier is, is skewed by him being the penalty taker.

It is admirable he can take penalties, but it affords people a slightly false narrative.
 
James Tavernier is the best outfield player in our team. Those who want to write off his penalty goals and say they don’t count as a contribution still have to take into account his free kicks and goals from open play, as well as assists.

The assumption that if he wasn’t doing it then someone else would step up has no basis in reality, when he doesn’t do it and dig us out of a hole, who else is?

If anybody thinks our best player should be better than Tav, fair enough, but getting rid of him won’t make that happen,

What he does is ALWAYS shows up for the ball, never hides, always takes responsibility. No matter how badly the team are playing, or even if he is having a bad game himself. We need more players who will step up and do that in these games.

Watching that game on Wednesday was basically watching a turgid, dull game with nothing much happening. The only way I could see anything happening for us was going to be a shot from Tav out of nowhere. There are a whole lot of other players that have to look at themselves when our only hope in such a game is our right back.
 
legalbeagle said:
James Tavernier is the best outfield player in our team. Those who want to write off his penalty goals and say they don’t count as a contribution still have to take into account his free kicks and goals from open play, as well as assists.

The assumption that if he wasn’t doing it then someone else would step up has no basis in reality, when he doesn’t do it and dig us out of a hole, who else is?

If anybody thinks our best player should be better than Tav, fair enough, but getting rid of him won’t make that happen,

What he does is ALWAYS shows up for the ball, never hides, always takes responsibility. No matter how badly the team are playing, or even if he is having a bad game himself. We need more players who will step up and do that in these games.

Watching that game on Wednesday was basically watching a turgid, dull game with nothing much happening. The only way I could see anything happening for us was going to be a shot from Tav out of nowhere. There are a whole lot of other players that have to look at themselves when our only hope in such a game is our right back.
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See this thing about how many penalties he’s score and bringing it up as some sort of slight against him.you know where that comes from,non rangers supporters/yahoos.yet some parrot it on here.
 
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