SecondBestIsNothing
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Probably bad as they’ll just guarantee more places to the top 4 leagues because 16 isn’t enough
New champions League format - Good or Bad for us?
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It’s totally shite for all but the top teams with all the money. Hopefully some play off / drop down system into the Europa League will be put in place after a year or two I.e. those teams who lose out from the playoffs between teams 9 to 24 drop down
MartinS93
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There's no joy in that for us. They've ruined the competition.
Forfar_Bear
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One positive is removing the drop down into the 'inferior competition' - I always felt it devalued it.
YorkshireBlue
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If so then I hope it's the first step to a European league set up above all national leagues.
It's the only chance we've ever got of competing, but also getting out of the bowling club that is Scottish Football.
Would love to see the top 64 teams in the coefficient being brought into 3 leagues. Said it on here before but using the existing competition names and having a 20-20-24 structure with a pyramid to national leagues would be amazing for us.
GreigC
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I've only seen it really through FM
Couple of positives - an extra home game is good for cash of course. But also, you have a situation where under the new group we'd play teams out the same seeding pot as ourselves. Which is a better chance of picking up a result, and therefore cash. Our seeding currently we may sneak into Pot 3, so we'd have 2 games against similar level, and 2 against pot 4 teams.
Depending how it all works out, there may well be a half decent chance of sneaking into the top 24, and it seems that theres decent money on offer in the play off round
No drop down is a negative for us of course - pretty much solidifies that Seville was likely the last chance we had to win a European Trophy.
Europa League is moving to exactly the same format I believe, you drop into it from qualifiers at least. So we may see a chance in there, but who knows
Couple of positives - an extra home game is good for cash of course. But also, you have a situation where under the new group we'd play teams out the same seeding pot as ourselves. Which is a better chance of picking up a result, and therefore cash. Our seeding currently we may sneak into Pot 3, so we'd have 2 games against similar level, and 2 against pot 4 teams.
Depending how it all works out, there may well be a half decent chance of sneaking into the top 24, and it seems that theres decent money on offer in the play off round
No drop down is a negative for us of course - pretty much solidifies that Seville was likely the last chance we had to win a European Trophy.
Europa League is moving to exactly the same format I believe, you drop into it from qualifiers at least. So we may see a chance in there, but who knows
Albertz_Hammer
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The CL is all about getting the poor/unfashionable clubs out keeping the rich fashionable clubs/players in.
It's always bad for us, regardless of disguise.
It's always bad for us, regardless of disguise.
Forfar_Bear
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Edited cuz im a fanny.
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tazzabear
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You’re creating the conditions to dislike them.
What if we needed to go back to where we were with Gerrard and the four qualifying games.
If we’ve got extra qualifying to do, that’s a problem of our own making.
Uncle Albert
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we would there's 8 games to play
that will be sore lol
tazzabear
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Might be an opportunity to sell our own games.
I’m more and more convinced that the “provincial” clubs could make more each season selling their home games against us, and them, than they’d get from the current, and worsening, deal.
but what do UEFA or Football care?
Forfar_Bear
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Ignore me I'm an idiot
my opinion is dont look at the money side of this new arrangement
Bigbluebear
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Personally I feel like this gives us a better chance of progressing compared to playing 6 games against 3 teams.
ThreestripeS
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Don't care about the cash don't want to be cannon fodder in that competition again.
A run in the europa for me all day long.
A run in the europa for me all day long.
DornochBear
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Wont matter if its better or worse unless we win the effing league.
GreigC
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Hate to break it to you, but in the footballing world we live in these days - we have to
Point and case is entirely made by how "little" we made in the run to Seville compared to what we'd have made in a shambolic UCL appearance this year...
GreigC
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Biggest difference is that we'd be looking at a different level of opposition to a point though
You're also only playing each team once. From a fans view, I think many of us would far rather some glamour games with the chance of some points from some of the other games
I can't see much glamour in the Europa League moving forward, but I could be wrong
But what strikes me more than anything is extra game's and I believe those already protesting would be lenient if the traditional 6 game's
But the format is horrible to begin with either 6v8 or 10.
Suppose we just need to see how it pans out but not looking forward to it
More money in. More money out.
The only beneficiaries are players, luxury car franchises and designer clothes outlets. I cant wait.
GreigC
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2 extra games are early in the new year too I believe...
Exactly when you want them...
Who wants that then?
Good point
GreigC
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Sarcasm chap
And it was a good one lol
papasasac
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Loads of qualifiers again is a very real possibility unless Scottish teams start doing better in Europe sharp.
All these other countries below us are making the most of the conference league coefficient points and we’ve got 5 teams, 3 of which always achieve close to zero (not that we covered ourselves in glory this season tbf)
Over last two seasons since ECL inception (even with Seville) we would be way down in 18th:
Champions - 3 qualifiers for CL
2nd - 4 qualifiers for EL
3rd & CW - 3 qualifiers for ECL.
Just doesn't make good reading eh
That’s probably true these days but we and any football team should strive to play against the best. The Champions League was humiliating but we should always aim for it no matter what.
papasasac
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Yes
papasasac
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Guess the good news is at least we’d be seeded in every round, I suspect, unlike Gerrard’s first couple of seasons.
L&D RSC
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It's changing totally mate.
Just one group of 36 teams. Top 8 qualify automatically, 9th to 24th playoff for the other 8 places.
GForce
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Bluenose88
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Hard to see how anything that corrupt mob comes up with that would benefit anyone outside the supposed top 5 leagues.
doesnt really help
MartinS93
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Deary me. That's really grim reading.
I assume this means the CL playoff qualifying games will be tougher with this new format too?
far too much football
In what sense?
Doesnt matter if seeded or not
more of my point
Ok so your point is clearly nonsense.
nope, the format is still wrong and will over stretch us(football fixture wise) and being seeded or not is irrelevant .
Emperor Smith
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We should have let them break away to their 'super league' and left the rest of the clubs who live in the real world outwith the big five to have a proper, fair and competative European trophy/trophies.
MartinS93
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It is. I can't see it lasting. I'm sure Klopp and a few others were having a moan about it when it was first introduced but it seems to have went quiet on that front.
it's basically the Super League. It'll be near impossible for Champions from league's like ours to qualify for it.
I expect that to restart
mdingwall
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whats your thoughts M
Brian_Fantana
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Having played it on football manager I think it works well.
More chances to get a glamour tie and more games against lower ranked teams to have a chance of celebrating wins (or goals if this season is anything to go by…)
The last game tends to have importance for most of the teams in terms of qualification so I can imagine a few interesting results against the odds.
The negative will be too many games for the squad and as always, more cost to the support. In ST terms, it’s one more home game in the groups really but fans that go to every game home and away will really feel it.
More chances to get a glamour tie and more games against lower ranked teams to have a chance of celebrating wins (or goals if this season is anything to go by…)
The last game tends to have importance for most of the teams in terms of qualification so I can imagine a few interesting results against the odds.
The negative will be too many games for the squad and as always, more cost to the support. In ST terms, it’s one more home game in the groups really but fans that go to every game home and away will really feel it.
