McCoist Scotland goal tally?

[WinkieWATP]

Banged them in left right and centre for us but I stuck the highlights from last nights game on there and had a check when they said McGinn was now 7th on the all time top goalscorer list for Scotland. Another 3 and he will pass Super.

I was quite surprised when I saw Ally had only scored 19 goals for Scotland. I grew up idolising the man but I’ll be honest I’ve never really paid that much attention to the National side (only game I’ve ever been to was with the high school team v Russia) outwith when they do actually qualify which they actually tended to do back then.

I was even more surprised to learn that Miller has more Scotland caps than McCoist also whilst checking.

 

[KingCarlos72]

He was used shockingly bad! And as we all know, there were no Gibraltars and the vast amount of shite games

 

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

For some reason Scotland's top scorers/most caps have always seemed to lag miles behind other countries - the likes of McFadden and Ferguson ended up with about 50 caps, and 15/20 goals has you near the top of the all time list

 

[TCWNS1872]

McGinn’s goalscoring record for Scotland for a midfielder is laudable to be fair. Don’t bet against him notching against England to add to his tally.

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

For some reason Scotland's top scorers/most caps have always seemed to lag miles behind other countries - the likes of McFadden and Ferguson ended up with about 50 caps, and 15/20 goals has you near the top of the all time list

They've never been that good and they get knocked out of every tournament in the first round.

 

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

They've never been that good and they get knocked out of every tournament in the first round.

Same with lots of shit teams

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

Same with lots of shit teams

Well because we aren't very good, we're drawn in groups with fewer teams that aren't as good as us more often.

 

[WinkieWATP]

For some reason Scotland's top scorers/most caps have always seemed to lag miles behind other countries - the likes of McFadden and Ferguson ended up with about 50 caps, and 15/20 goals has you near the top of the all time list

Only 4 men have scored more than 20 and none more than 30.

That is pretty mental

 

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

Well because we aren't very good, we're drawn in groups with fewer teams that aren't as good as us more often.

Absolutely, but Ireland are similarly shit and have 10 players with 90+ caps - Scotland have two

 

[yosser hughes]

for the most part, we have never really been a high scoring nation, (8-0 win over Cyprus in 69 aside)

 

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

Only 4 men have scored more than 20 and none more than 30.

That is pretty mental

It's not unthinkable that McGinn could end up all time top scorer

 

[RabSpackman]

My memory is that he never really got going with a string of games & goals.

His partnership with Mo Johnston in the 1990 World Cup qualifying campaign was excellent though - they both grabbed a few goals in that campaign.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Only 4 men have scored more than 20 and none more than 30.

That is pretty mental

I could only name 3.

Had to Google go find out the 4th (Reilly)

 

[charlie_snowball]

McCoist had roughly a 1 in 3 goal tally for Scotland, same as Dalgleish.

McGinn’s goalscoring record for Scotland for a midfielder is laudable to be fair. Don’t bet against him notching against England to add to his tally.

 

[TCWNS1872]

My memory is that he never really got going with a string of games & goals.

His partnership with Mo Johnston in the 1990 World Cup qualifying campaign was excellent though - they both grabbed a few goals in that campaign.

Rab, let’s face it - Roxburgh was a wanker. He kept chopping and changing the strike force. And wee Craig wasn’t much better in that regard truth be told.

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

Absolutely, but Ireland are similarly shit and have 10 players with 90+ caps - Scotland have two

Probably a good point but I imagine as much as it's relative, the smaller the population, the more chances of players having more caps. Maybe a slightly wider pool of talent to choose from?

 

[Rich Uncle Skeleton]

Probably a good point but I imagine as much as it's relative, the smaller the population, the more chances of players having more caps. Maybe a slightly wider pool of talent to choose from?

And Spain for example also have loads of players with 100+ caps, maybe Scotland sit somewhere between the two - bigger population but players not good enough for that many caps.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

And Spain for example also have loads of players with 100+ caps, maybe Scotland sit somewhere between the two - bigger population but players not good enough for that many caps.

Less games too, with us seldom being at tournaments.

 

[WinkieWATP]

McCoist had roughly a 1 in 3 goal tally for Scotland, same as Dalgleish.

That was another thing I noticed. McGinn had almost the same amount of caps in practically half the time.

Noticed also Johnston only had 38 caps but is still top 10 tied with McFadden on 14 goals.

Is there more international fixtures than there used to be?

 

[Aonachas_Sing]

He was used shockingly bad! And as we all know, there were no Gibraltars and the vast amount of shite games

There was a 3-0 win in Gibraltar though!

 

[Mostin]

Absolutely, but Ireland are similarly shit and have 10 players with 90+ caps - Scotland have two

I can only think of Dalglish, who is the other?

 

[Jim Prideaux]

That was another thing I noticed. McGinn had almost the same amount of caps in practically half the time.

Noticed also Johnston only had 38 caps but is still top 10 tied with McFadden on 14 goals.

Is there more international fixtures than there used to be?

By miles.

Edit: At least feels that way

 

[A Magician Named Gob]

And Spain for example also have loads of players with 100+ caps, maybe Scotland sit somewhere between the two - bigger population but players not good enough for that many caps.

When you're the best, you stick with the best.

When you're terrible but have nobody to choose from, you stick what what you have.

When you aren't good and you have more to choose from, you give everybody a go.

 

[Brisy]

John McGinn has pretty much been a regular for Scotland, fantastic talent to be honest. From memory McCoist was not always first choice and really think that impacted what his overall record could have been, 61 caps over 12 years whereas McGinn has 57 caps over 7 years

 

[Jim Prideaux]

I can only think of Dalglish, who is the other?

Leighton.

 

[tcbuzz]

I can only think of Dalglish, who is the other?

Jim Leighton. 91 ai think. Darren Fletcher is next with 80

 

[SDF]

It's not unthinkable that McGinn could end up all time top scorer

He will at this rate.

 

[TCWNS1872]

That was another thing I noticed. McGinn had almost the same amount of caps in practically half the time.

Noticed also Johnston only had 38 caps but is still top 10 tied with McFadden on 14 goals.

Is there more international fixtures than there used to be?

Several more countries mate - think Balkans

 

[UncertainSmile]

That was another thing I noticed. McGinn had almost the same amount of caps in practically half the time.

Noticed also Johnston only had 38 caps but is still top 10 tied with McFadden on 14 goals.

Is there more international fixtures than there used to be?

Johnston peaked relatively young and I think also had conflict with various Scotland managers during his international career. He fell out with Roxburgh at Italia '90 and that was him more or less done with Scotland after that.

 

[tcbuzz]

My memory is that he never really got going with a string of games & goals.

His partnership with Mo Johnston in the 1990 World Cup qualifying campaign was excellent though - they both grabbed a few goals in that campaign.

Then McCoist was dropped for the 90 World Cup for Alan McInally!

 

[Rt. Hon. Bearman]

McGinn’s goalscoring record for Scotland for a midfielder is laudable to be fair. Don’t bet against him notching against England to add to his tally.

On current form I can see Scotland getting a win on Tuesday.

England were dog shit tonight.

 

[SDF]

Johnston peaked relatively young and I think also had conflict with various Scotland managers during his international career. He fell out with Roxburgh at Italia '90 and that was him more or less done with Scotland after that.

Johnston chucked International football at 27.

Came back a year later for one game and then chucked it again.

 

[WinkieWATP]

I can only think of Dalglish, who is the other?

9 centurions for the English

Shilton
Rooney
Beckham
Gerrard
Moore
Cole
Charlton
Lampard
Wright

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Then McCoist was dropped for the 90 World Cup for Alan McInally!

Was that where the rival manager had been hyping up McInally and Roxburgh picked his strike force based on it?

 

[Drumchapel]

Probably a good point but I imagine as much as it's relative, the smaller the population, the more chances of players having more caps. Maybe a slightly wider pool of talent to choose from?

When did Ireland last field a team full of players born in Ireland? They took advantage of the grandparents rule more successfully than anyone.

 

[SDF]

Was that where the rival manager had been hyping up McInally and Roxburgh picked his strike force based on it?

"He's their Marco van Basten"

Hook. Line. Sinker.

 

[WinkieWATP]

Johnston chucked International football at 27.

Came back a year later for one game and then chucked it again.

Did he score an over head kick v France late 80’s early 90’s?

That’s one memory I seem to have of being a kid watching Scotland?

 

[WinkieWATP]

Then McCoist was dropped for the 90 World Cup for Alan McInally!

Crossword story has done Super a turn over the years to be fair

 

[Brisy]

Did he score an over head kick v France late 80’s early 90’s?

That’s one memory I seem to have of being a kid watching Scotland?

Was against Cyprus, in 89, World cup qualifier

 

[RabSpackman]

Rab, let’s face it - Roxburgh was a wanker. He kept chopping and changing the strike force. And wee Craig wasn’t much better in that regard truth be told.

There was more competition up front at the time - Durie, Fleck, McInally, McClair (stop laughing), Johnston & McCoist (almost) all had justifiable claims to a starting place.. even McAvennie with his goals at West Ham & Celtic would have been a solid squad pick if he hadn’t black-balled himself from the international setup.
Duncan Ferguson’s emergence in the early 90s was another solid option.

Roxburgh seemed to ignore what most fans could see though - McCoist & Johnston was a great partnership, which produced goals for them and others in the team.

 

[SDF]

Did he score an over head kick v France late 80’s early 90’s?

That’s one memory I seen to have of being a kid watching Scotland?

Scored a double v France in 1989.

The overhead kick was against Cyprus

 

[Hoojar McKinney]

Andy Roxburgh was as culpable as anyone for Ally's under-performance with Scotland. A man with no credentials as a football manager, before or since.

 

[Rt. Hon. Bearman]

Rab, let’s face it - Roxburgh was a wanker. He kept chopping and changing the strike force. And wee Craig wasn’t much better in that regard truth be told.

Roxburgh should never have got the Scotland job.

Ferguson took charge for the 1986 World Cup but made it clear he didn't want to continue in international football. The SFA should have gone for Jim McLean.

 

[Midfield General]

They've never been that good and they get knocked out of every tournament in the first round.

when talking about the National team it should be we or us unless you are foreign.Lots of good Rangers men have served the National team with distinction.

 

[AlohaBear]

That was another thing I noticed. McGinn had almost the same amount of caps in practically half the time.

Noticed also Johnston only had 38 caps but is still top 10 tied with McFadden on 14 goals.

Is there more international fixtures than there used to be?

Aye, since Johnston finished with Scotland the USSR has been replaced with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Moldova. Yugoslavia have been replaced by Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, North Macedonia, Kosovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina and
Montenegro. Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Andorra, San Marino and Faroe Isles are international teams now. Czechs split up and play as Czechia and Slovakia.

 

[TCWNS1872]

John McGinn has pretty much been a regular for Scotland, fantastic talent to be honest. From memory McCoist was not always first choice and really think that impacted what his overall record could have been, 61 caps over 12 years whereas McGinn has 57 caps over 7 years

Competition for places was fiercer in all areas of the pitch then, save for Roxburgh being a schoolteacher and giving everyone a game to keep players turning up for squads.

McCoist had competition in the form of Mo Johnston, Frank McAvennie, Gordon Durie, Brian McClair, David Speedie, Graeme Sharp, Alan McInally, Charlie Nicholas, Eamonn Bannon, Robert Fleck, John Robertson, Scott Booth, Duncan Shearer, Darren Jackson, Billy Dodds.

Bit different from Che Adams dukin’ it out with Lyndon Dykes.

P.S. Super was the best poacher of them all bar none. And he did the business over a sustained period bar injuries.

 

[SDF]

There was more competition up front at the time - Durie, Fleck, McInally, McClair (stop laughing), Johnston & McCoist (almost) all had justifiable claims to a starting place.. even McAvennie with his goals at West Ham & Celtic would have been a solid squad pick if he hadn’t black-balled himself from the international setup.
Duncan Ferguson’s emergence in the early 90s was another solid option.

Roxburgh seemed to ignore what most fans could see though - McCoist & Johnston was a great partnership, which produced goals for them and others in the team.

Look at the strikers we left behind in 86 - McCoist, McClair, Johnston and Robertson scored about 80 goals between them that season. Even Frank McDougall was a super striker for Aberdeen. All brilliant goal scorers in our league. Never got a sniff in Mexico.

 

[The Treasurer]

Then McCoist was dropped for the 90 World Cup for Alan McInally!

Which tells you how good the manager was - NOT!!!

 

[UncertainSmile]

Johnston chucked International football at 27.

Came back a year later for one game and then chucked it again.

Yeah, didn't something happen with him and Jim Bett? No social media back then, so of course every detail wasn't published for all to see.

He had quite the summer that year in Italy between the national team and then the brouhaha during pre-season when he behaved like a complete pest on the bevvy in the hotel.

I do wonder if that was due to the incredible pressure he had been subjected to? Or maybe he was just slipping back into his old ways? He was still good during 1990-91 but not at the levels he had been at before imo.

 

[WinkieWATP]

Scored a double v France in 1989.

The overhead kick was against Cyprus

I was only 9. Funny the things you can remember though. I can remember full mornings getting ready to go to cup finals. Cutting up magazines/newspapers and filling bin bags to throw up as the teams come out, my dad and uncle leaving to go for a pint and telling us where and when to meet them for the bus yet seeing that video you’ve posted I have no recollection at all of there being no roof on the terracing at Hampden.