I rate it more likely than not that replacing Beale would result in even worse.Imo, you are correct in your scenario. The board haven’t covered themselves in glory in picking success after success in managers. Gerrard and 55 aside, our ability to go forward from that to clinch titles has been sorely lacking. Yes, we can look at the huge one-off positive of a Euro Final, but on home turf it has been a big let-down, and as you say, the board has not shown enough savvy in selecting a person with a winning mentality and a style of play that backs that up. In that respect, again I agree that the board’s next choice will equally be a gamble.
I didn’t manage to catch the game, heard bits and pieces on the radio and came on here to get the consensus before I watch the highlights later.Never has the phrase “ didn’t know whether to laugh or cry “ better described a game.
This is a load of nonsense from you. Beale came in with this big reputation as a top coach and a great ability to see the the potential in players ability when making his move in the transfer market for them. I've yet to see all of this in him and have to ask how long do we have to put up with his soundbites as our manager. He's out of his depth as a football manager,not just as a Rangers manager but a football manager. The sooner we get rid of him and advertise and interview the best we can get the better for our club.I rate it more likely than not that replacing Beale would result in even worse.
To fixate on Beale is like being angry at mouse-droppings instead of killing the things leaving them all over the place. Beale and current state of things is merely a symptom. Why bother our arses looking at that given just how obvious the real problem is?
How can anyone fail to realise that "We've given Michael full control of recruitment" statement wasn't that shower of incapables setting up their defences well in advance?
When I ask people to lay off Beale, I do not do this as an admirer of his. I'm fully aware of his shortcomings, but I'm also aware of just how unavoidable this current situation was for him.
A team coach should NEVER be given full recruitment responsibilities in 2023. Landing him with that is sitting a noose by his side. He deserves sympathy every bit as much as criticism. Rangers have NEVER been as unfair to a team coach in all my years following the club. They landed Beale with a guessing game and an almost dead-cert reason to get rid and repeat with another poor sod appointed manager after him.
Dealing with him is a minor requirement for a support that inexplicably fails when it comes to the boardroom. That mob are proven guilty and even I can't offer a defence for them, and I always try to offer fairness to the point of attracting extreme criticism from my own. They're guilty as sin and we should be applying maximum force to them, not that incapable sod in the dugout regardless of his growing catalogue of blunders. GvB was worse, so Bears have to ask themselves if they'd like to tempt another dose of that.
The tims would've been wanting their board's heads on sticks long ago, and they'd be bang on the button in laying the symptom to one side until their board either fixed things or got out.
There was genuinely three or four occasions in our box where you would have thought we were trying to concede. I don’t think I have ever seen anything so farcical. We couldn’t make a simple pass. The worst defensive performance I have seen where managed to keep a clean sheet.I didn’t manage to catch the game, heard bits and pieces on the radio and came on here to get the consensus before I watch the highlights later.
Butland MOTM says it all.
Sounds grim.
Some very good points in there.I rate it more likely than not that replacing Beale would result in even worse.
To fixate on Beale is like being angry at mouse-droppings instead of killing the things leaving them all over the place. Beale and current state of things is merely a symptom. Why bother our arses looking at that given just how obvious the real problem is?
How can anyone fail to realise that "We've given Michael full control of recruitment" statement wasn't that shower of incapables setting up their defences well in advance?
When I ask people to lay off Beale, I do not do this as an admirer of his. I'm fully aware of his shortcomings, but I'm also aware of just how unavoidable this current situation was for him.
A team coach should NEVER be given full recruitment responsibilities in 2023. Landing him with that is sitting a noose by his side. He deserves sympathy every bit as much as criticism. Rangers have NEVER been as unfair to a team coach in all my years following the club. They landed Beale with a guessing game and an almost dead-cert reason to get rid and repeat with another poor sod appointed manager after him.
Dealing with him is a minor requirement for a support that inexplicably fails when it comes to the boardroom. That mob are proven guilty and even I can't offer a defence for them, and I always try to offer fairness to the point of attracting extreme criticism from my own. They're guilty as sin and we should be applying maximum force to them, not that incapable sod in the dugout regardless of his growing catalogue of blunders. GvB was worse, so Bears have to ask themselves if they'd like to tempt another dose of that.
The tims would've been wanting their board's heads on sticks long ago, and they'd be bang on the button in laying the symptom to one side until their board either fixed things or got out.
Lammers was a belter. Literally chipped it into the middle of the six yard box. InsaneThere was genuinely three or four occasions in our box where you would have thought we were trying to concede. I don’t think I have ever seen anything so farcical. We couldn’t make a simple pass. The worst defensive performance I have seen were managed to keep a clean sheet.
We couldn’t see that during the friendlies. And it hasn’t changed.Just in from the game.
That was pretty abysmal and so frustrating to watch.
I really don't see where we are going with this team and where Beale is taking us.
It feels like it's only a matter of time before the usual ending to this Rangers film is upon us.
Hahaha absolutelyAye, and we’re rolling back down the hill.
We couldn’t see that during the friendlies. And it hasn’t changed.
You haven't even dealt with the board's part in this. You are fixating on symptoms, not causes.This is a load of nonsense from you. Beale came in with this big reputation as a top coach and a great ability to see the the potential in players ability when making his move in the transfer market for them. I've yet to see all of this in him and have to ask how long do we have to put up with his soundbites as our manager. He's out of his depth as a football manager,not just as a Rangers manager but a football manager. The sooner we get rid of him and advertise and interview the best we can get the better for our club.
I really hope so mate.Beale will be away long before the window reopens
MOTM yet again mateI didn’t manage to catch the game, heard bits and pieces on the radio and came on here to get the consensus before I watch the highlights later.
Butland MOTM says it all.
Sounds grim.
It was a lovely chip, he will be disappointed the striker didn’t finish it.Lammers was a belter. Literally chipped it into the middle of the six yard box. Insane
Sure the board have a part to play in the recruitment of Beale but at the end of the day the buck stops with Beale as manager, simple as that. We can't keep blaming the board for the managers infallibility as let's be honest they're just going on his reputation as a coach from his previous time at the club, however they have to see that the man is out of his depth as a manager and bear in mind the board are just supporters just like you and meYou haven't even dealt with the board's part in this. You are fixating on symptoms, not causes.
Reputation as top coach? Who built this reputation? Bears. Based on? Work with Gerrard. I certainly didn't regard him as such. I regarded him as preferable to GvB and no more, not an unmissable offer.
Spotting potential? See Cantwell and Butland, but our recruitment requirements far outstrip that and landing all of it on him was and is utterly ridiculous and incredibly unfair. That re-build involved far greater manpower and far wider scope. If it was maintaining a winning squad, there's an outside chance it'd have worked but our board demanded the impossible and landed full responsibility at a team coach's door. That's insanity.
And your all-eyes-Beale approach and willingness to throw another "Get Out of Jail Free" card at that board is merely tempting another dose of this disease.
He's a symptom, not the cause, and as low as his right to a defence is, a defence is still very easy to argue at a very limited extent.
Get that board targeted. Now.
This board has gambled since it sat its arse down, and one flutter with Gerard is their only bright spot. Even then, you have to balance that against Lennon shredding them like the dugout-dummy he is known to be.Some very good points in there.
I’ve given a bit of praise in the board this year. But again it goes back to the main problem. We have senior leadership who do well in the commercial world, not the football world.
This 100% that was putrid performance. No plan no passion no clue. And that’s just the manager. This is going to be a long season.Caught the last 25 mins. 0 chances created while Motherwell have 3 genuine scoring chances. The enjoyment of watching us has been completely sucked out. There is ZERO style of play. We struggle to play out against a press and look to play longball to players who can’t hold it up or head it. The team is so bereft of creativity and quality it’s staggering. We’re stuck in a merry-go-round of mediocrity with so signs of being able to get off. Truly depressing.
This is a club without a recruitment set-up to speak of.Sure the board have a part to play in the recruitment of Beale but at the end of the day the buck stops with Beale as manager, simple as that. We can't keep blaming the board for the managers infallibility as let's be honest they're just going on his reputation as a coach from his previous time at the club, however they have to see that the man is out of his depth as a manager and bear in mind the board are just supporters just like you and me
Also despite all our poor displays from game to game as a coach/manager what has Beale done to improve our performances at any time and add to that his decision making as regard substitutions is abysmal to say the least. He's the manager, he took the job on and should realize it's far beyond his capabilities. As a manager he's not improving the club in anyway whatsoever.
We need to break the chain of continuity from the past. It’s time for Borna, Tav, Goldson, all of them to go. We need to start with an entire new frame. These guys have failed as a project, they were brought in to dominate this league & they haven’t. Time to move on, we are Rangers.I said to my pal, nearly every domestic home game we’ve had for about the past 6 years has been dreadful (bar lockdown season). There’s no discernible difference from Warburtons SPL season - Murty - Caixinha - Gerrard at his worst - Gio - Beale.
As a fan base we are being ripped off for the price our domestic ST’s.
How do you propose dealing with the board though.This is a club without a recruitment set-up to speak of.
Beale took a club in freefall and at least configured the brakes so as to make it a snail's-pace decline. Sure, we all wanted a positive velocity figure, but small minus is preferable to minus a million.
Getting that number into positive is impossible without a recruitment set-up.
Why fund a costly sacking and new name when no recruitment set-up is in place? It's beyond vital. Operating without is a surefire guilty verdict for a board I cannot trust.
Without any recruitment it's like being in the bookies, all wages spunked, and throwing the last £20 on any number in a dog race.
Doing this just now is just easing your anger for five minutes until the next shit-show arises, with the same inevitable doom to follow.
Rangers Board. I'm bored. Bears aiming their anger elsewhere when they're the only suitable target is tiresome. How many more times can they be allowed to get away with it? Without a recruitment set-up, they cannot realistically be forgiven here.
Sure, Beale's dodgy, and one up with Dessers incapable of it is him asking for it, but the board's proven guilty and should be our number one target. Then deal with Beale.
Rubbish. No manager worth his salt should ever accept NOT have total control over recruitment. If Beale had a fraction of the ability that he was trumpeted as having he would have had a well coached, tactically aware and well motivated team on the pitch, despite the injury list. I can accept a hard fought 1-0 victory but seeing scrambled "lucky to get way with that" 3 points is a continuation of last year.I rate it more likely than not that replacing Beale would result in even worse.
To fixate on Beale is like being angry at mouse-droppings instead of killing the things leaving them all over the place. Beale and current state of things is merely a symptom. Why bother our arses looking at that given just how obvious the real problem is?
How can anyone fail to realise that "We've given Michael full control of recruitment" statement wasn't that shower of incapables setting up their defences well in advance?
When I ask people to lay off Beale, I do not do this as an admirer of his. I'm fully aware of his shortcomings, but I'm also aware of just how unavoidable this current situation was for him.
A team coach should NEVER be given full recruitment responsibilities in 2023. Landing him with that is sitting a noose by his side. He deserves sympathy every bit as much as criticism. Rangers have NEVER been as unfair to a team coach in all my years following the club. They landed Beale with a guessing game and an almost dead-cert reason to get rid and repeat with another poor sod appointed manager after him.
Dealing with him is a minor requirement for a support that inexplicably fails when it comes to the boardroom. That mob are proven guilty and even I can't offer a defence for them, and I always try to offer fairness to the point of attracting extreme criticism from my own. They're guilty as sin and we should be applying maximum force to them, not that incapable sod in the dugout regardless of his growing catalogue of blunders. GvB was worse, so Bears have to ask themselves if they'd like to tempt another dose of that.
The tims would've been wanting their board's heads on sticks long ago, and they'd be bang on the button in laying the symptom to one side until their board either fixed things or got out.
Team coach has final say, but you're not factoring in the amount of support he needs for that full & final say to be done with competence. Doing so without a recruitment team is a bloody guessing game, and we are being treated to the inevitable results of a Grade A Mental-Asylum pot-luck approach to worldwide recruitment. How anyone expected anything other than this is beyond me.Rubbish. No manager worth his salt should ever accept NOT have total control over recruitment. If Beale had a fraction of the ability that he was trumpeted as having he would have had a well coached, tactically aware and well motivated team on the pitch, despite the injury list. I can accept a hard fought 1-0 victory but seeing scrambled "lucky to get way with that" 3 points is a continuation of last year.
Exactly and I'm very been saying the exact same.This is a club without a recruitment set-up to speak of.
Beale took a club in freefall and at least configured the brakes so as to make it a snail's-pace decline. Sure, we all wanted a positive velocity figure, but small minus is preferable to minus a million.
Getting that number into positive is impossible without a recruitment set-up.
Why fund a costly sacking and new name when no recruitment set-up is in place? It's beyond vital. Operating without is a surefire guilty verdict for a board I cannot trust.
Without any recruitment it's like being in the bookies, all wages spunked, and throwing the last £20 on any number in a dog race.
Doing this just now is just easing your anger for five minutes until the next shit-show arises, with the same inevitable doom to follow.
Rangers Board. I'm bored. Bears aiming their anger elsewhere when they're the only suitable target is tiresome. How many more times can they be allowed to get away with it? Without a recruitment set-up, they cannot realistically be forgiven here.
Sure, Beale's dodgy, and one up with Dessers incapable of it is him asking for it, but the board's proven guilty and should be our number one target. Then deal with Beale.
Putting the frighteners up the bastards immediately. Surefire success when the tims do it.How do you propose dealing with the board though.
Thank god he didn’t start. Disgrace of a cameoSima has been getting better the more he plays, so unless he’s carrying a knock he should have been starting today. Wednesday is the game you start Wright.
He didn't come in with a big reputation. How could he?This is a load of nonsense from you. Beale came in with this big reputation as a top coach and a great ability to see the the potential in players ability when making his move in the transfer market for them. I've yet to see all of this in him and have to ask how long do we have to put up with his soundbites as our manager. He's out of his depth as a football manager,not just as a Rangers manager but a football manager. The sooner we get rid of him and advertise and interview the best we can get the better for our club.
Bang on.He didn't come in with a big reputation. How could he?
That baloney came from here.
What were his stats as a manager at Loftus Rd before coming to us?
And still we brought him in.
Because Wilson hoodwinked the support.
AGAIN.
Of course he should have a supporting infrastructure. But he absolutely must have final say in recruitment. And if recruitment is poor the buck stops with him. Recruitment over the past 2 windows has not been all bad. Lammers, Sima, Dowell and Raskin are decent players. Cantwell and Butland excellent. (Dressers and Cfuentes I'm unsure about but I think once the latter adapts he will prove decent). The players are simply not playing well as a team. Coaching, planning and motivation must be the problems. Would you be motivated be Beale or his team?Team coach has final say, but you're not factoring in the amount of support he needs for that full & final say to be done with competence. Doing so without a recruitment team is a bloody guessing game, and we are being treated to the inevitable results of a Grade A Mental-Asylum pot-luck approach to worldwide recruitment. How anyone expected anything other than this is beyond me.
55We need to break the chain of continuity from the past. It’s time for Borna, Tav, Goldson, all of them to go. We need to start with an entire new frame. These guys have failed as a project, they were brought in to dominate this league & they haven’t. Time to move on, we are Rangers.