Colinrfc2
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You just made that upOpen your eyes these players are losers they don’t care whether they win or lose trophies it doesn’t matter that much to run of the mill footballers
You just made that upOpen your eyes these players are losers they don’t care whether they win or lose trophies it doesn’t matter that much to run of the mill footballers
Balogun also had a go and then is out with mysterious illness. It’s as though anyone who speaks out finds themselves cast out, however if you play like a lazy tosser then you get the full game. It’s depressing to watch it really is.Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.
Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.
What have others seen or heard?
You only need to look at Silvas reaction in the last two matches...? I haven't seen reaction like that from a Rangers player in decades.Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.
Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.
What have others seen or heard?
We have been here before multiple times I der different managers. There is a common denominator with certain players.I had a thread last night that was binned, just letting off a bit of steam, but I genuinely think there must be something else at play, behind the scenes.
We can't go from the well oiled machine, the Kill Zone that the players spoke about, winning a cup, top of the league etc and flying, to losing games and dropping points to the jobber dross.
Something is definitely amiss.
When did Balogun have a go? He has had a facial injury and illness has he not?Balogun also had a go and then is out with mysterious illness. It’s as though anyone who speaks out finds themselves cast out, however if you play like a lazy tosser then you get the full game. It’s depressing to watch it really is.
They let him down by getting to a European Final and winning the Scottish Cup, or perhaps you are forgetting that until Goldson got injured we gave Liverpool a game; Van Bronckhorst, ultimately, wasn't good enough when it came to doing it in the League. If players are unhappy it is up to the manager to deal with; maybe playing some of them in their best positions would be a start.I said when Gio lost his job that senior players like Goldson and Tavernier let him down and it’s the same people who are still playing every week. The manager needs to let them know that he’s going nowhere and if they don’t like it they should leave.
Yeah read that, suppose the thread had to be binned after thatTbf some maddie in that thread (not you!) thought Clement had a black eye, insinuating it was courtesy of someone in the dressing room.
I get that, a lot of the players need moved on, it's abundantly clear.We have been here before multiple times I der different managers. There is a common denominator with certain players.
Goldson was out injured ffs, stop rewriting history.I said when Gio lost his job that senior players like Goldson and Tavernier let him down and it’s the same people who are still playing every week. The manager needs to let them know that he’s going nowhere and if they don’t like it they should leave.
We are all hurting mateI really hate these players so much
It's straightforward, there is clearly a problem with some players who cannot handle sustained pressure.I get that, a lot of the players need moved on, it's abundantly clear.
It still is perplexing why everything was going great with the very same players, until a monumental collapse which started a few weeks ago.
I can't get my fuckin head around it.
Was anyone questioning their mentality when they went to Betis and won, or when we won a trophy or when we stormed to top of the league?
I made nothing up they don’t have the drive or hunger to win trophies consistently in a 2 horse race factYou just made that up
Never thought of it like that! But yeah happy to take the money and watch their city club rivals embarrass the fans, not the players they don't get embarrassed or careI think it seems very similar to what has been happening at Man Utd over the years.
was waiting for folk to start making shit up. God our players dont deserve us sometimesSeen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.
Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.
What have others seen or heard?
I don't think everything really was going great when you look at the results in detail. We were winning most games which is expected but not playing great football. The collapse of that lot this season put us in a great position that wasn't really earned by our performances.I get that, a lot of the players need moved on, it's abundantly clear.
It still is perplexing why everything was going great with the very same players, until a monumental collapse which started a few weeks ago.
I can't get my fuckin head around it.
You talk some amount of shite.Seen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.
Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.
What have others seen or heard?
You said they don't care if they win or not ,that's made upI made nothing up they don’t have the drive or hunger to win trophies consistently in a 2 horse race fact
Possibly, maybe a few have been told they are surplus to requirements next seasonSeen and few comments about a dressing room split and or the manager has lost the confidence of the players but nothing concrete.
Certainly Cantwell didn't look happy getting subbed and I thought Raskin looked unhappy at Dowel coming on ahead of him.
What have others seen or heard?
They don’t care if they did they wouldn’t lose 5 points in 4 days against dross while having a chance to go top of the leagueYou said they don't care if they win or not ,that's made up
What's Butland's excuse?It's straightforward, there is clearly a problem with some players who cannot handle sustained pressure.
It's no coincidence that the leadership players form has dropped off a cliff since we got into the business end of the season. Again they have history with this.
Goldson was out injured ffs, stop rewriting history.
Not sure mate, I defy anyone after the Hearts 5 nil game not to think that the tide had turned.I don't think everything really was going great when you look at the results in detail. We were winning most games which is expected but not playing great football. The collapse of that lot this season put us in a great position that wasn't really earned by our performances.
It would have been different if we had won at the piggery and then followed it up with a good win at Ibrox. The reason we were back in the driving seat a few weeks ago and at the moment still in with a chance is down to other teams taking points from them.
Its what is making this so frustrating as we were basically handed pole position in the league and in the last month given it up without any fight.
You only need to look at Silvas reaction in the last two matches...? I haven't seen reaction like that from a Rangers player in decades.
When the going gets tough loanees very rarely careYou only need to look at Silvas reaction in the last two matches...? I haven't seen reaction like that from a Rangers player in decades.
It's not about caring It's a lack of abilityThey don’t care if they did they wouldn’t lose 5 points in 4 days against dross while having a chance to go top of the league
Definitely able to blame other people including players that’s not one of the skills they are without .I think it looks like a pretty unified dressing room to me.
Unified from the perspective that when the going gets tough, they all shirk responsibility and they are happy to ride it out until eventually the manager carries the can.
They then pick up under a new manager for a bit before rinsing and repeating.
They’ve done it under 3 managers now and 4 if you include some of them that very nearly got Gerrard sacked pre Covid.
It’s a really comfortable dressing room safe in the knowledge that someone else will get blamed for their shortcomings.
I understand all that hence why I'm saying Goldson can't be blamed for GvB losing his job.I have no thoughts either way but Goldson missed the last 9 of GvBs matches, effectively the period that cost GvB his job as we were down to the bare bones and having to play King/Sands at centre half.
It was effectively a mistake from King, trying to control the ball in his own 6 yard box away to st Mirren that caused us to drop points and seen GvB sacked. Couldn’t really blame King or GvB for it,
Goldson started Beale’s second match in charge, before he was out he had missed something like 3 games out the previous 70, and two of them were cup ties he was rested for.
If there is WS I would say it would be driven by individuals trying to avoid accountability .Nothing to do with the subs but you can see by the effort or lack off something is far wrong not 1 of them bust a gut to track back or gee the team up it's just so flat especially at this end of the season so much to play for but imo there's a good few chucked it for whatever reason... Personally I think something is going on being closed doors this is not the same team as a month ago..
Lee McCulloch explained goalie coach role at subs will be to re-emphasise the dead ball / corner responsibilities of the player going onto the pitch .Found it strange last night stewart out in technical area in managers ear only time that’s happened since clement came in yet when Beale was here it was constantly happening , your assistant and coach sitting there but goalie coach out
I'd put a large part of that down to the mentality difference of the two captainsThe papes managed to sign almost an entire team that had won nothing before and won 5/6 trophies.
We have a core group of senior leadership players that are stinking the place out.
Straight away on his arrival PC sayd it’s badly wrong to have so many players going OoC in the summer. Terrible contract management and it happened last year too of course .I'd be worried if a player was happy to be subbed (Barisic) but there's something badly wrong at the heart of our playing staff and it's been like this for years.
I don't know if they've fallen out amongst each other or with the manager (I can't see it myself) but it's obvious they cannot deal with the pressure of the business end of the season, and that's a mentality thing.
Maybe it's more to do with the ability of each teams playersI'd put a large part of that down to the mentality difference of the two captains
So ur saying you were a player madrideI’m 45 and didn’t play any higher level than the BB and I’d be pissed off if Dowell came on for me to be fair
What has the ability of players got to do with keeping a dressing room together?Maybe it's more to do with the ability of each teams players