SwingLow9
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I know what you’re saying mate. Scout well and it’s possible. But getting a ready made guy like that you pay top dollar.Not what they bought them for but.
I know what you’re saying mate. Scout well and it’s possible. But getting a ready made guy like that you pay top dollar.Not what they bought them for but.
Davis is exactly the midfielder we need in that team. I remember when we signed him, he made Ferguson look average almost immediately in every match he played. He still has it and even if we get three seasons out of him then it is a no brainier. I don’t see another loan kid firing us to the title. We need a player like Davis.
Barry Ferguson was a much better player and leader than Davis ever was/isWell that's comment about Ferguson is just nonsense, Davis had good games, he had decent games but he also had a lot of average games and some where he just went missing, Barry was head and shoulders above him most of the time and scored/made more goals.
I'm still not sure what a player "like Davis" actually means, what would he bring that we don't have already ?
That's exactly what we need.We are not any where strong enough in the midfield,nor good enough overall that we can afford to have a no10 or luxury player in the team.We tried this to a degree with the young Arsenal loanee and Kranjar and the teams weren't strong enough to carry that type of playerThe obsession for davis is weird on this thread IMO. Give me a 6”3 box to box midfielder over him and day of the week. Hopefully a midfielder that can actually shoot or turn on the ball and go by someone, create space, get a shot off.
Scott Brown bosses the midfield when we play them.Hes nowhere near 6'2Watch the highlights again, watch lewis ferguson boss all out players. Tell me height doesnt matter.
Can't get the love in for Davis at all.I'm away to watch another sport as not wanting Davis (nice guy etc.) means I know nothing about the game.
Of all the players out there, aye he's the one we should be looking at.
I want us signing younger, hungrier and more dynamic.
Steven Davis would command a minimum million a year in wages so for a year and a half, that would be £2 million (signing on fee and bonuses) for a fella who will leave for nothing/retire maybe in 2020 at the age of 35.
For £2 million and given the players our manager has signed for less, we could actually sign a player who would make us our money back and a profit.
This is the road we should be on.
Exactly who would you rather have in the midfield Davis or ejaria/coulibaly?He's miles better than what we have its a no brainer to try sign him
For £2 million and given the players our manager has signed for less, we could actually sign a player who would make us our money back and a profit.
This is the road we should be on.
I would like most of my team to be how you suggested but you do need some older experienced players especially in the midfield.I'm away to watch another sport as not wanting Davis (nice guy etc.) means I know nothing about the game.
Of all the players out there, aye he's the one we should be looking at.
I want us signing younger, hungrier and more dynamic.
Steven Davis would command a minimum million a year in wages so for a year and a half, that would be £2 million (signing on fee and bonuses) for a fella who will leave for nothing/retire maybe in 2020 at the age of 35.
For £2 million and given the players our manager has signed for less, we could actually sign a player who would make us our money back and a profit.
This is the road we should be on.
The obsession for davis is weird on this thread IMO. Give me a 6”3 box to box midfielder over him and day of the week. Hopefully a midfielder that can actually shoot or turn on the ball and go by someone, create space, get a shot off.
Get a bid in for Pogba tomorrow. Guys of this description can be picked up for a few hundred thousand.
Im not expecting Davis to be an all action midfielder but he has quality on the ball and will bring a calmness and control to the midfield, it wont solve our creative issues but if you had him and Arfield with one other it would be a decent start.
You can only be creative if the people around you want the same thing, see Grezda when he came on trying different things, balls over the top etc. Aberdeen were set up well got lucky with a set piece and just parked the bus and held on to their lead. Everyone goes on about this creative midfielder that will solve everything, the creative person needs people to actually move into space etc for that to happen.The McLeish way of thinking.... Hamed Namouchi ahead of wee Tam Buffel……
Creativity is what we lacked last night, not height.
Yes you stick to the 6”3” player. You are a dinosaur and that’s why so many youngsters are released from pro clubs every year. Re Davis - says it all when he’s straight back in the team once Hughes sacked. We had a bad day at the office last night but results went in our favour. Davis would be a great addition. But you tell me a 6”3” player who is better and I’ll bow to your superior football knowledge. Last thing - you would not take Messi as he’s not 6”3”!The obsession for davis is weird on this thread IMO. Give me a 6”3 box to box midfielder over him and day of the week. Hopefully a midfielder that can actually shoot or turn on the ball and go by someone, create space, get a shot off.
I would like most of my team to be how you suggested but you do need some older experienced players especially in the midfield.
If we could get him on loan for 6 months it’s a no brainer
We have 2 experienced midfielders in Murph and Dorrans, both out long term.
I expect Dorrans when fit next season to be the attacking midfielder we are missing at the moment, he will be in his final year of current contract and 31 at that point, 32 when current deal runs out.
If we are after a short term, stop gap fix for 6 months, then Davis will do a job.
If we sign him for longer, that will be 3 x 30 somethings in our squad as Murph turns 30 at the start of next season.
How much more experience do we really need in midfield?
Look at our previous league winning teams, you’ll find every single one had much more experience than our current side.
There’s more to experience than age too.
And of those teams, what 34 year olds did we sign?
Ray Wilkins was a fair age, other than he, I'm struggling to think of any.
We have 2 experienced midfielders in Murph and Dorrans, both out long term.
I expect Dorrans when fit next season to be the attacking midfielder we are missing at the moment, he will be in his final year of current contract and 31 at that point, 32 when current deal runs out.
If we are after a short term, stop gap fix for 6 months, then Davis will do a job.
If we sign him for longer, that will be 3 x 30 somethings in our squad as Murph turns 30 at the start of next season.
How much more experience do we really need in midfield?
Today’s 34 year olds are the 29 year olds of the 80’s and 90’s. We had loads of them.
Although Dorrans is a good player when fit, the last 3-4 years tells us that he is not someone who can be relied upon. He has had various long term injuries over recent years and that shows no signs of changing. It's very unlikely Dorrans or Murphy will be regular starters next season.
At the moment we are lacking someone who can dictate in midfield. If there's a chance to get Davis in January i'd go for it. He's still looking good at international level. He looks fit and has been fortunate with injuries throughout his career. He probably still has another two and a half years left playing a high level.
Then by that logic, todays 29 year olds are 24.
Do you work in an African work permit office mate?
Who are the loads of 34 year old mids we signed to win Leagues then?
Agteed. With Jack holding and Arfield doing a power of running off the ball, making decoys and creating space, Davis will thrive picking off defences with the killer passes we've missed so much
With developments in sports science players are playing much longer, that is clear everywhere you look. During that era when players hit 30 their days were seen as numbered, simply isnt the case now. Scholes and Giggs played for Man U till they were nearly 40, that would never have happened in the 80s and 90s.
Look at whatever team you like we had experience in central midfield that we are sorely lacking.
So no other 34 year olds fresh signed and in a Rangers jersey to win leagues?
You did say loads.
Experience is not relative to age, Greg Doc accrued over 100 games with Hamilton at a young age so he has 'experience'.
Lots of players have lots of games at various levels and at younger ages.
I think my point that 34 in this era is the equivalent of 29 during earlier eras is absolutely correct, we had loads of 29-32 year olds in our title winning teams Wilkins, Souness, Butcher, Gough, John Brown, McCall, I Ferguson, Hateley, Amoroso, Porini, Wallace, De Boers, Albertz, Numan, Weir, Prso...
That’s just some from my lifetime.
You would part with £3 million and upwards for Davis for 2 and a half years?
At 34, he will become more familiar with the treatment table and know it well by 36 when the deal you would offer runs out.
For 3 million, we can do much better and be better off when a younger guys time with us is up and we sell him.
I'm not seeing your logic to justify this signing.
He's 34 and has 2 seasons.
Only player he can be compared against with that level of longevity and in that position is Ray Wilkins.
Frankly, he's no Ray Wilkins.
Lee McCulloch. No pace at 30 and little influence on a gameTurns 34 in January, why does he only have 2 seasons if he maintains a good level of fitness?
He’s an excellent player, that’s all the justification needed.
Alex Rae is another league winner, he was about 36 and that was over a decade ago.
Turns 34 in January, why does he only have 2 seasons if he maintains a good level of fitness?
He’s an excellent player, that’s all the justification needed.
Alex Rae is another league winner, he was about 36 and that was over a decade ago.
Busquets is 6"3" ishYes you stick to the 6”3” player. You are a dinosaur and that’s why so many youngsters are released from pro clubs every year. Re Davis - says it all when he’s straight back in the team once Hughes sacked. We had a bad day at the office last night but results went in our favour. Davis would be a great addition. But you tell me a 6”3” player who is better and I’ll bow to your superior football knowledge. Last thing - you would not take Messi as he’s not 6”3”!
He's on a free transfer in the summer. I have no idea how much he will be looking for or what we would be willing to offer. I am judging him as a footballer and still believe he would instantly be our best midfielder despite his age. His experience of winning trophies at our club will also be invaluable as we approach the second half of the season.
At present and from recent memory, how many centre mids have 'tore up' the top flight here in their mid 30's?
Alex Rae set nothing alight when here.
How many midfielders as good as Davis have played here in recent memory?
Never mind, I’m sure our problems will be solved with another Coulibaly / Ejaria type signing instead.
Aye, 6 months and that's it.
If he's here any longer we go from 1/2 million approx on him to £2 million if he does another season after this.
Why have you got Davis on a pedestal here?
You honestly believe only he will be the signing to win us a league.
That's desperate stuff.
You've plucked those figures from thin air. We have no idea what wage he'll be looking for.
£20,000 a week for 6 months is half a million. Add bonuses and a signing on fee too.
You think he will sign for less, really?
I have absolutely no idea what he'll be looking for and neither do you.
Naismith was on 40k a week at Norwich. Did you expect him to sign for Hearts?
Hearts signed him on loan for the final six months of his contract after agreeing to pay 25% of his wages and then were able to sign him on a free transfer at the end of the season.
The obsession for davis is weird on this thread IMO. Give me a 6”3 box to box midfielder over him and day of the week. Hopefully a midfielder that can actually shoot or turn on the ball and go by someone, create space, get a shot off.