bedsblue
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It actually is free money
That's why the bheggars have their noses in the trough and it's British for the no-shamers.
It actually is free money
As of Friday we hadn’tWe may have - but not informed the press.
As of Friday we hadn’t
I’d prefer our players to voluntarily take a pay cut and donate it to needy causes.
I see the point your making fella. But, im a crane driver and if im not fit for work i can get disciplined and or sacked as im sure most people on here have the same sort of deal with their jobs.Hmm. Just heard the Aberdeen CEO on Radio Scotland. Interesting comments on furloughing from the Sheep guy. Their legal advice is that they cannot furlough the players because they are staying fit and uploading their daily data to a database for review by the Sports Science guys. Players are also telephoning vulnerable fans. Both classed as work so not eligible for furlough. There's a cat amongst the pigeons.
If our players take a 30% cut, then we should still be able to fully pay our non-playing staff the full wage - without getting a bailout from the taxpayer.
I’m sure the playing staff costs are around 70% of our total expenses on salaries.
For: it protects the long term interests of the business to absolutely minimise outgoings during this time. If we don’t, and our rivals do, our finances are significantly affected relative to theirs. Furlough, from what I can see does not meet uefa’s definition of state aid, as it is an option available to all clubs. There is no business sense in not doing it. Any payback when this is done is highly unlikely to exclude those that didn’t use the system.
Against: I think it is completely immoral to offset paying higher salaries by using public funds. I think they should change the rule that if you furlough one group of employees, all must be unless they can be proven essential to the continued running of the business while in lockdown
That is nonsense, Rangers will not go into Admin, but they are not rich and wealthy and the Government scheme is to make sure companies who are affected by this virus can keep their workforce in place so that once this has passed, the companies can then trade as normal and as quickly as possible..The whole point of the Government scheme is to protect jobs and to protect companies who have no income.
Are Rangers (or any other football team) at the stage that they need to announce redundancies? If the answer is no then no furlough.
Are Rangers (or any other football team) about to sell season tickets and by doing so maintain an income whilst benefiting from reduced costs? If the answer is yes then no furlough.
This is not a Government hand out for the rich and wealthy. It is a scheme to protect vulnerable jobs.
How much cash do we currently have and what is our monthly wagebill?That is nonsense, Rangers will not go into Admin, but they are not rich and wealthy and the Government scheme is to make sure companies who are affected by this virus can keep their workforce in place so that once this has passed, the companies can then trade as normal and as quickly as possible..
This JRS is open to manipulation but the Government has been outstanding.
That is nonsense, Rangers will not go into Admin, but they are not rich and wealthy and the Government scheme is to make sure companies who are affected by this virus can keep their workforce in place so that once this has passed, the companies can then trade as normal and as quickly as possible..
This JRS is open to manipulation but the Government has been outstanding.
I see the point your making fella. But, im a crane driver and if im not fit for work i can get disciplined and or sacked as im sure most people on here have the same sort of deal with their jobs.
Same Should / could be made about players, if there not at a level of fitness / weight when they return they could be disciplined too ?
So you think this is Government aid for businesses that aren't making as much money as they might otherwise be making?
It is.
"The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme is a temporary scheme open to all UK employers for at least 3 months starting from 1 March 2020. It is designed to support employers whose operations have been severely affected by coronavirus (COVID-19). "
ADVERBIt is.
"The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme is a temporary scheme open to all UK employers for at least 3 months starting from 1 March 2020. It is designed to support employers whose operations have been severely affected by coronavirus (COVID-19). "
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Severely -
to an undesirably great or intense degree.
Just so I understand.
You want Rangers to put everyone who cannot do any work for the club just now on paid leave until this crisis is over.
Not either use the Government scheme implemented for these circumstances, or lay them off because there is no work for them.
You do also realise that if the players take a 30% pay cut they will also pay 30% less tax (well a bit more actually). On a salary which is taxed at 46% for anything over £3,000 / week.
So someone on £10,000 per week would pay £71,760 / annum or £5,980 / month less in tax.
I’d prefer if our players took a wage cut and the money stayed in the club
We should do this , for all we know it may be done . But would hope we could pay the other 20 % of wages , not sure if you are allowed to though .
No idea but I know the present Directors / Investors or for that matter, a large selection of our fans would not let that happen, You said to protect CompaniesHow much cash do we currently have and what is our monthly wagebill?
If directors are plugging the gap (and we all hope they are) then we should be told that is the case.No idea but I know the present Directors / Investors or for that matter, a large selection of our fans would not let that happen, You said to protect Companies
Well let’s hope the Tims, Man City, Liverpool etc are given short shriftCan I answer the question in a different way?
Companies should only be furloughing staff if they do not have the means to cover their wages.
If a football club can maintain wages like £5000 to £300000 then that should be looked at long before guys on a more normal wage.
The uptake in football club abusing this scheme will result in the suffering of many who need support as their business could not provide it. That goes for any business with funds in the bank, not just football clubs.
We haven't,, i know of one employee whoos just not getting a wage.. so take that ,whatever way you want..We may already have done it. Rangers don't have to advertise the fact do they?
Wait, what? I’m sure the mhedia would be all over this if this is the case. What is it they do if u don’t mind me asking?We haven't,, i know of one employee whoos just not getting a wage.. so take that ,whatever way you want..
Why would we not be giving employees wages when we can apply for them to get 80% from the government?We haven't,, i know of one employee whoos just not getting a wage.. so take that ,whatever way you want..
Why do you think the Club should put anything out until they are readyIf directors are plugging the gap (and we all hope they are) then we should be told that is the case.
Aberdeen announced last week their new chairman has put £2m in to help sustain them. I'd like that reassurance for ourselves. We have heard nothing about how we will deal with the impact of this epidemic.
Eh. . To let fans knowWhy do you think the Club should put anything out until they are ready
WhyEh. . To let fans know
Why?. . You serious?
I have no doubt we will be told when they are ready and not before, Which Clubs are you talking about?Why?. . You serious?
To keep fans informed in this uncertain time like alot of other clubs have.
Well let’s hope the Tims, Man City, Liverpool etc are given short shrift
You've asked the same question on another thread and it's been answered.I have no doubt we will be told when they are ready and not before, Which Clubs are you talking about?
Oh appears i got that wrong. Apologies to City . Should have quoted Spurs or Newcastle insteadMan City aren’t putting any staff on furlough according to sky sports tonight
No, you repeated the Clubs, you never said whose fans whose worries were eased by their announcementYou've asked the same question on another thread and it's been answered.
It's been anseered on the other thread.No, you repeated the Clubs, you never said whose fans whose worries were eased by their announcement